[pct-l] closures in CA Section D-E-F

[CClark]

Timberline writes "There is also the Endangered Species Detour starting at Mile 386."
 
Thanks for the information about closures.I notice that Halfmile describes the first part of the Endangered Species detour as having "steep eroding hillsides with difficult footing." As a 65-yr-old woman I'm not as nimble as I once was.  Would I be better off taking the road walk detour in this area? 

Also, is the trail now open from mile 342 to 364? 

Carolyn

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   1. Water report (steve clark)
   2.  Water report (enyapjr at comcast.net)
   3. PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (b j)
   4. PCT Elevation Gain/Loss Stats (b j)
   5. Re: my secret to getting in shape (BLANCHARD, SYM)
   6. Re: PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Brick Robbins)
   7.  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Paint Your Wagon)
   8.   PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Paint Your Wagon)
   9. Re: Tyvek, small containers, health (Carol)
  10. Re: PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Dan Welch)
  11.  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (enyapjr at comcast.net)
  12. Re: my secret to getting in shape (Scott Williams)
  13.  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Dan C. aka Thumper)
  14. Re: my secret to getting in shape (Martha Federle)
  15.  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Paint Your Wagon)
  16. closures in CA Section D-E-F (CClark)
  17.   PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Paint Your Wagon)
  18.   PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Paint Your Wagon)
  19. Re: PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Brick Robbins)
  20. Re: PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Dan C. aka Thumper)
  21. Solo girl June-July (Anon)
  22. Thank you, Scott (pelson at sprintmail.com)
  23.  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Paint Your Wagon)
  24. Re: PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Sir Mixalot)
  25. Re: PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Sir Mixalot)
  26.  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Eric Martinot)
  27. Re: closures in CA Section D-E-F (Dan Welch)
  28. Los Angeles Aqueduct along the PCT (Ron Graybill)
  29. Re: PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (Eric Lee)
  30. Re: Waterlogged (Melanie Clarke)
  31. PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats (enyapjr at comcast.net)
  32. Re: Los Angeles Aqueduct along the PCT (Stephen Clark)
  33. My secret to getting in shape (Herb Stroh)
  34. Re: Solo girl June-July (aslive at charter.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:03:53 -0600
From: steve clark <gopacking4ever at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Water report
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Anyone have a link to a recent water report. Thank you all.


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: [pct-l]  Water report
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<http://pctwater.com/>  It is updated as hikers report in...

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:33:07 -0800 (PST)
From: b j <xthrow at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I'm looking for total PCT elevation gain / loss stats, ideally also broken down by state.? (How much did we really go up and down?)


The only place I've found mention of it is on Mike & Sarah's blog - http://www.mspct.com/pct-facts/ and they don't reference where they got the info.? I'm hoping we can locate an official source of this info.

-Porsche


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:36:51 -0800 (PST)
From: b j <xthrow at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Elevation Gain/Loss Stats
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Here's another reference to total elevation gain / loss from a blog titled Halfway Anywhere, but it's a much different number of 420,880 ft (128,284 m) and again, no reference to the source of info.

-Porsche


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:45:59 +0000
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] my secret to getting in shape
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I found it really helpful to sit as little as possible.  I have a desk job, but my desktop raises up so I am always standing.  I stand and keep moving move on an Elliptical Trainer<http://www.amazon.com/Stamina-55-1610-InMotion-Elliptical-Trainer/dp/B000VICRO8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393184409&sr=8-1&keywords=inmotion+elliptical> under my desk so I very rarely need to sit.  Not very aerobic, but it is much better than just standing in one spot.



What Makes Olga Run<http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-Olga-Run-90-Something-ebook/dp/B00EMTG0O0/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1393184303&sr=1-1&keywords=what+makes+olga+run> is great!  And I love my squats.  As well as the challenging hikes with Shroomer.



I find I can easily continue to do 30 miles a day when I get back on the trail after the long winter months off.



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Diane said "Never too old"



You got that right! I am reading "what makes Olga run". She took up track and field events when she was 77! I want to know Olga's secrets, too.







On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com<mailto:dianesoini at gmail.com>> wrote:



My new secret to getting in shape is squats. Heavy squats. I?ve gotten them up to 150lbs, which is more than I weigh (at least I hope so), and man does that kind of strength make backpacking feel easy as pie. Someday I hope I can squat 175 or even more. I?m almost 50, too. Never too old.

Diane/Piper

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:25:20 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: b j <xthrow at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:33 AM, b j <xthrow at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for total PCT elevation gain / loss stats, ideally also broken down by state.  (How much did we really go up and down?)

I believe that Craig's PCT planner gives this information,
http://www.pctplanner.com/plan.php

Originally his data came from the WP books. It still may, but you'd
have to ask him.

BTW, the WP books only show elevation for the major points, and there
are a lot of ups and downs between, so I'd expect the numbers to be
off by a large percentage.


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:58:55 -0700
From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
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Porsche,

Half mile?s maps have the elevations for the sections and one of them 
(guessing... the first page of Section A) 
has the entire trails gains and losses. 

<>Paint<>


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:00:20 -0700
From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]   PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
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Porsche,

Well- that didn?t work out as well as I thought it would. 

The first page of each section has the gains and loses for that section, but nothing for the entire trail.

Whiteblaze had a figure for the PCT of well over 600,000 feet, but I could not find a source for the data. 

Another AT site had the figure at a little over 300,000 feet. That?s when I quit looking due to the discrepancies.

Adding the figures of each section from Half Mile?s maps will give you your answer with a modest effort. 

<>Paint<> 


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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:17:09 -0600
From: Carol <museumgirl at me.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tyvek, small containers, health
To: dm <dm at quixnet.net>
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Wow. Impressive, Duracell! And thanks for the info on Rx's. Great idea about getting the pharmacy to print labels. I get migraines & must carry Imitrex. 
Carol

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2014, at 8:24 AM, dm <dm at quixnet.net> wrote:
> 
> Tyvek:  Lowe's and other similar businesses get bundles of
> lumber covered with tyvek.  I went to Lowe's and just asked
> an employee for a piece.  He gave me the entire sheet that
> was in their dumpster.  Cut out what you need and save the
> rest for late.  Running it thru a wash cycle will soften it.
> 
> Small containers:  Prescription drugs should be labeled to
> prevent seizing by TSA, etc.  To avoid carrying several pill
> bottles, I ordered small ziplock parts bags from an
> industrial supply business.  The pharmacy printed up new Rx
> labels for me to put on the bags. I carry a small supply of
> meds I might need and also have copies of the prescription
> in case I need a refill along the way.
> 
> Aging and activity:  Shroomer gave some good advice about
> lifestyle and health.  My wife and I pretty much live like
> that, staying very active, exercising, etc.  She started
> running at 67 while recovering from very aggressive breast
> cancer and the subsequent radical surgery plus very
> aggressive chemotherapy and radiation.  Ran her first
> half-marathon at 68 and continues to run several ties a
> week, doing weights on the off days.  She came in first in
> her age group in her last race.
> 
> I bike 1,000 to 1,500 miles a year, hike, do yoga every day
> and have been training for 3 months preparing to resume my
> PCT hike that was interrupted by a broken foot last year at
> Idyllwild.  In a few weeks I will pick up my hike at Saddle
> Junction, where I left the trail last year.  Somewhere north
> of the Sierras I will celebrate my 74th birthday.
> 
> This info is written with the hope of encouraging you
> younger people to keep active, be wise about what kind and
> how much food you eat.  You'll rust up before you wear out
> so KEEP MOVING!  Be wise also about what you put in your
> mind.  Read some positive, uplifting books.  Hang out with
> optimistic, compassionate people.  
> 
> On a final note, ladies, especially you young ones that
> think you don't need to do it yet, PLEASE do a breast
> self-exam EVERY MONTH!  Don't rely on an annual mammogram to
> protect you.  They are notoriously unreliable.  My wife's
> last mammogram was totally clear just 6 months before a
> large, fast-growing cancer was removed, along with both
> breasts and a lot of lymph nodes.  OK, rant off.
> 
> Have a happy hike!
> 
> Duracell
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:19:43 -0500
From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
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There is no "definitive" number.  If you take all the elevation gains/losses at every mile, that will NOT add up to the gains/losses from every half mile.  Why?  Because between each data point there are numerous ups and downs that are not captured. For example, you drop 200 feet, but if you regain it before the next data point, the total will show zero loss or gain. (You ended at the same elevation you started at.) Other things being equal, the finer the resolution the higher will be the gains and losses.  I am assuming HalfMile's resolution is once every half mile since he was a waypoint recorded there. Are the other data sets finer?  Don't know...  Anyway, the point is, it is a squishy number.

Timberline  



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Subject: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats

Porsche,

Well- that didn?t work out as well as I thought it would. 

The first page of each section has the gains and loses for that section, but nothing for the entire trail.

Whiteblaze had a figure for the PCT of well over 600,000 feet, but I could not find a source for the data. 

Another AT site had the figure at a little over 300,000 feet. That?s when I quit looking due to the discrepancies.

Adding the figures of each section from Half Mile?s maps will give you your answer with a modest effort. 

<>Paint<> 
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 01:01:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: enyapjr at comcast.net
Subject: [pct-l]  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Cc: xthrow at yahoo.com
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> I'm looking for total PCT elevation gain / loss stats, ideally also broken down by state. ...

Data from Halfmile's maps - trail miles, elevation gain, elevation loss shown as a positive number), elevation change -
laid out on spreadsheet calculating cumulative totals:
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amlsn1yp36DwdGVxdHpZS2NVRTNqRy10am9oM2JwS2c&usp=sharing>...

Yeah - I'm a data geek by nature!  ;-/

Happy trails!!!
Jim (PITA)

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:23:32 -0800
From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] my secret to getting in shape
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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"Sitting is the new smoking."

Shroomer


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:45 AM, BLANCHARD, SYM <SWB3 at pge.com> wrote:

> I found it really helpful to sit as little as possible.  I have a desk
> job, but my desktop raises up so I am always standing.  I stand and keep
> moving move on an Elliptical Trainer<
> http://www.amazon.com/Stamina-55-1610-InMotion-Elliptical-Trainer/dp/B000VICRO8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393184409&sr=8-1&keywords=inmotion+elliptical>
> under my desk so I very rarely need to sit.  Not very aerobic, but it is
> much better than just standing in one spot.
>
>
>
> What Makes Olga Run<
> http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-Olga-Run-90-Something-ebook/dp/B00EMTG0O0/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1393184303&sr=1-1&keywords=what+makes+olga+run>
> is great!  And I love my squats.  As well as the challenging hikes with
> Shroomer.
>
>
>
> I find I can easily continue to do 30 miles a day when I get back on the
> trail after the long winter months off.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcia Powers [mailto:gottawalk at me.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:56 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] my secret to getting in shape
>
>
>
> Diane said "Never too old"
>
>
>
> You got that right! I am reading "what makes Olga run". She took up track
> and field events when she was 77! I want to know Olga's secrets, too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com<mailto:
> dianesoini at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> My new secret to getting in shape is squats. Heavy squats. I've gotten
> them up to 150lbs, which is more than I weigh (at least I hope so), and man
> does that kind of strength make backpacking feel easy as pie. Someday I
> hope I can squat 175 or even more. I'm almost 50, too. Never too old.
>
> Diane/Piper
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:58:18 -0800
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l]  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
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I'm also a geek when it comes to things like this.  Using the 2005 edition of the PCT Data Book as a reference source which I've converted into spreadsheet format yields the following;

Total Miles = 2,663.5 (remember this is the 2005 edition and the trail has grown by 5.3 miles since)
Total Elevation Gains = 552,478
Total Elevation Loss = 551, 593
Total Elevation Difference = 885
Elevation at Mexican Border = 2,915
Elevation at Manning Park = 3,800
Elevation Difference between Start and Finish = 885

I like the fact that the numbers reconcile.  Ben Go really did a great job.

Thumper






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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 22:03:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Martha Federle <mgypsy97 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] my secret to getting in shape
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That is definitely my new mantra!
Gypsy





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"Sitting is the new smoking."

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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:48:22 -0700
From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
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Timberline,

Since Half Mile uses half mile increments,
why wouldn?t the GPS give data (gains and loses reconciled against each 
other) for each half mile,
and have the ability to keep cumulative data for the entire trail?

Put another way-
the GPS determines when a half mile has been reached;
whether the trail hiked was flat or vertical switchbacks,
so... there is bound to be some accountability as to gains and loses within 
that distance.
I would think that the sophistication of a current GPS is at least that 
proficient.
One?s position from point A to point B would have to be determined by more 
than a one dimensional (as a crow flys) measurement/distance.

Let me try another example...
hiking a flat trail for a half mile,
versus scaling a ladder (theoretically) straight up-
that is also a half mile in length.
Now; portray the distance traveled, on a map using the GPS data.
First off, the starting point and ending point would be nearly on top of 
each other,
meaning the GPS took the elevation gain into consideration.

Climbing a vertical ladder 1/8 of a mile in height,
followed by a flat hike of 1/4 of a mile in length,
followed by a 45 degree descent,
would yield a different representation on a map,
as compared to the previous example.

Wouldn't the GPS keep track of all that?

<>Paint<>





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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:56:30 -0800 (PST)
From: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] closures in CA Section D-E-F
To: PCT-L Backcountry <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I have seen past discussions about trail closures from mile?357-364.5 and from mile?479-518. ?Are these closures still in place? What are the suggested detours?
Are there any other closures currently in Section D-E-F?

I've looked on the PCTA site but can't find much information on them. ?Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.?

Thanks,
Carolyn

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:00:10 -0700
From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]   PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Correction to an omission.

Climbing a vertical ladder 1/8 of a mile in height,
followed by a flat hike of 1/4 of a mile in length,
>>> followed by a 45 degree descent, <<<
would yield a different representation on a map,
as compared to the previous example.

>>> followed by a 45 degree descent, <<<

should have read- 

followed by a 45 degree descent >>> of 1/8 of a mile in length <<<

<>Paint<>


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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:09:49 -0700
From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]   PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Jim (PITA)

Thanks for the numbers. 

92.6 miles up- 

92.5 miles down- 

Wow! 

How interesting is that?

<>Paint<>

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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:15:19 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: Paint Your Wagon <n801yz at hotmail.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Paint Your Wagon <n801yz at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't the GPS keep track of all that?

Generally,  Altitude error is specified to be 1.5 x Horizontal error
specification.

Being off by +/- 50ft  e very half mile is no big deal horizontally
because the error don't accumulate since you keep walking
progressively, and we cover quite large distances, but being off +/-
75ft (1.5 x the horizontal error) is a big deal since you don't
continue in a progressive line, and the elevation error are a much
larger percentage of the total elevation change.

due to this type of error, the GPS meausured cumulative elevation
gain/loss is not particularly reliable


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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:37:00 -0800
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Message-ID: <20140223233700.SUK8U.342069.imail at eastrmwml206>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Why would they not reconcile?  I believe that hand-held GPS devices are only accurate to the specifications of the receiver chips.  These are not military grade chips being used.  And as such small errors may be induced over many data points.  Think of them as rounding errors.  Additionally, different GPS units were used to track the PCT and each unit has it's own calibration independent of the other.  

How Ben Go got to a perfect reconciliation between start and finish is not clear to me.  And let me say that Halfmile' data, based on Jim's post vs. the map's start and finish elevation is only off by 35' making it incredibly accurate.  Consider, according to Jim's sheet, that you climbed 92.6931 miles and descended 92.5018 miles to be off by only 35' is really reconciliation as it is only 0.003579%.

Halfmile, YOU ROCK!

Thumper




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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:10:26 -0800
From: Anon <anonymous_570 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Solo girl June-July
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <661B1B48-2F83-49E5-91A3-2146764D76C5 at yahoo.com>
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Hi all,  

I'm looking for any thoughts or advice on a solo female with beginner backpacking skills hiking from Walker Pass to South Tahoe (or just beyond) from about June 20 - July 28th. I'd prefer to hike with the main stream of people to maybe make a few friends along the way. Any thoughts or suggestions for a fun, safe, and rewarding walk? 

Thanks! 

Carly 

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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:35:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: <pelson at sprintmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Thank you, Scott
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID:
    <17624196.1393205755990.JavaMail.root at elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
    
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Shroomer,

Thanks so much to you and your wife for generously hosting the tremendous BBQ and hikes!  I had a fantastic time getting to know the tribe!  Great training for the trail.  

Phyllis


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>   1. Blisters & Getting into Hiking Shape (Reinhold Metzger)
>   2.  Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>      (Reinhold Metzger)
>   3. Lotions and potions (b j)
>   4. Re: Lotions and potions (Diane Soini)
>   5. Re: Powerhouse Fire route (Dan Welch)
>   6. Re: Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>      (Brick Robbins)
>   7. Re: Lotions and potions (Diane Soini)
>   8. Re: Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?) (ed faubert)
>   9. Waterlogged (Diane Soini)
>  10. Stolen Car (hiker97 at aol.com)
>  11. Re: my secret to getting in shape (Yoshihiro Murakami)
>  12. Tyvek, small containers, health (dm)
>  13. Re: Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>      (marmot marmot)
>  14. Re: Tyvek (Andrea Harrison)
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>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 04:11:28 -0800
>From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Blisters & Getting into Hiking Shape
>To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <530893F0.9020002 at cox.net>
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>Hi gang,
>There have been many opinions about blisters and getting into hiking shape.
>
>Blisters are caused by pressure and friction and tender skin is much more
>likely to blister than tough skin.
>
>So, Confucius says...eliminate pressure and friction and tender skin and
>you eliminate problem.
>
>As has already been pointed out pressure points and friction can be reduced
>by wearing shoes that are on the large side to allow for foot swelling 
>and a
>wide enough foot box to allow the toes to move freely without rubbing 
>against
>each other, to prevent in between toes blisters.
>
>But even more important is transforming tender foot skin into tougher skin.
>In the USMC we accomplished that by hiking and walking only in combat
>boots made out of thick leather with no cushioned inner soles or soft inner
>padding or lining...just tough leather inside and out.
>After a while the skin will get tougher and thicker, callous like, and 
>not likely
>to blister, especially not in in soft, padded hiking shoes.
>
>I'm not saying toughen up your feet in combat boots but you could do your
>training in heavy duty hiking boots (waffle stompers) or construction boots,
>wearing real thin socks to toughen up your skin.
>Also walking barefoot outside as much as possible, especially on the beach,
>with the continuous rubbing and friction of the sand really toughens up 
>the skin.
>
>I never get blisters because I have real tough, callous like skin on my 
>feet.
>That is from running around barefooted and playing soccer barefooted as
>a kid and wearing combat boots for 4 years.
>
>You don't have to take it to that extreme, but I think I made my 
>point....the
>more the tougher.
>
>As far as getting into hiking shape, I will say this....any exercise that
>strengthens your lakes is good for hiking...biking, running,skiing, tennis,
>squats, toe raises, etc...are all good exercises.
>However,...you are not exercising the same muscles or not exercising them
>the same way as when you are hiking.
>Therefore,...if you want to get into hiking shape there is no better way 
>than
>hiking,...preferably with a pack on terrain similar to hiking trails and 
>hills.
>
>The idea is to exercise the same muscles, the same way as when you are
>hiking.
>The more the better, to get the body used to and conditioned to hiking.
>
>Some folks will say...No need to do all that, your body will get used to 
>it and in
>shape as you go along.
>This may be true, but there is no substitute for being prepared and 
>ready from
>the start ....it reduces early misery, potential injury and drop outs by 
>increasing
>the odds for a successful "thru-hike".
>
>During the off hiking season I try to keep my legs in good condition by
>biking, skiing, tennis, etc.
>But, to keep them in hiking shape I also take long walks with a pack and
>heavy boots, or if jogging shoes with ankle irons.
>Not far from my house there is a very steep hill and a set of stairs, 
>with 80 steps.
>A few loops of that hill and 25 loops of the stairs will make you suck wind.
>
>I am drawn to that because it is very close to what one encounters going 
>over
>the passes in the Sierra.
>
>I know, everybody has their own opinion and way of getting into hiking shape
>and my way may not be the way for everybody,,,,but that is my opinion 
>and my way.
>
>JMT Reinhold
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 05:08:56 -0800
>From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>Subject: [pct-l]  Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <5308A168.8000105 at cox.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Say Mixalot,
>I think you may have your numbers mixed up.
>My source shows hulled Sunflower seeds at 162 -170 calorie/oz.
>With hulls 86 calories/oz.
>Unless your number represents roasted in oil....but that is not the seed 
>only.
>Calorie count goes up if you saturate the seed in oil.
>
>JMT Reinhold
>--------------------------
>
>Sir Mixalot wrote:
>Pecans have about the same calories per ounce.
>Sunflower seeds are nearly 240 calories per ounce.
>Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your food bag when you 
>walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead of what looks 
>best on a spreadsheet. If you're lucky you'll find something that's both.
>--------------------------------
>On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com 
><http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> wrote:/
>On Feb 19, 2014 12:50 PM, "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net 
><http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>//wrote:
>
>//[pct-l] PCT - Hard Dirt?//
>BTW...At 200 calories/oz Macadamia Nuts are a great source of //energy 
>and beat any other trail food
>-----------------------------------------
>. //Probably beats the cost of almost any other trail food in cost/weight. /
>/ Luce Cruz /
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:14:31 -0800 (PST)
>From: b j <xthrow at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>To: Jake Handy <jakers329 at yahoo.com>,    "pct-l at backcountry.net"
>    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
>    <1393096471.17834.YahooMailNeo at web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hi Jake,
>
>Hiker boxes are littered with all that stuff.? I carried it and ditched it too.? Here's what I learned -- Keep it simple.? A small squeeze tube of unscented lip balm or vaseline or Carmex doubles as anti-chafe, foot moisturizer, etc and a small bottle of sanitizer.
>
>
>Soap: You don't need soap -- it contaminates water sources and you can get the dirt off just by washing with water.? 
>
>
>-Porsche
>
>___
>
>Does anyone have a barebones system for carrying such hygiene/personal items
>like soap, sanitizer, deet, PO cream, anti-chafe, etc...?
>
>I was considering small amounts in little plastic containers and bouncing the
>rest but that could take up precious space/weight in my pack .? Any ideas?
>Thanks all!
>Jake
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:37:45 -0800
>From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <0AB3587E-FEF2-4333-8DB2-12062A6FB45E at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=windows-1252
>
>I carry a small trial size toothpaste and refill it occasionally. I have a tiny little bottle I saved from when my bird got some medicine at the vet. I would put shampoo in there. I later found out that the pink gas station hand soap makes great shampoo so I would refill it after washing my hair in the gas station sink. I put my DEET in a tiny trial size visine bottle. Turned out I needed the extra large economy size for DEET so that didn?t work. Sanitizer goes in a trial size, too. I saved one from pre-911 so that it?s extra small, not one of the big ones they have now. I carried a hotel soap in a little patch kit box I got at the bike shop. Poison oak cream is not needed. Anti-chafe powder I put in a small ziploc and put that in a larger ziploc. My hairbrush is just the rubber pin-cushion part of a brush without the rest of the brush. It always comes off the rest of the brush anyway. I carried a small foil single-serving of neosporin I got out of a
 first aid kit and I woul
d
>  refill it with a toothpick now and then. I kept it in a tiny ziploc I got with extra shirt buttons. Just keep thinking like that. How can I make this thing smaller, lighter or what can I put it in and also can I just do without it. I?m going to stink in about 10 minutes on the trail anyway, so why bother with all this washing and perfuming. Nothing smells worse than an oncoming day hiker anyway.
>
>On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Jake Handy <jakers329 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>> 
>> Does anyone have a barebones system for carrying such hygiene/personal items like soap, sanitizer, deet, PO cream, anti-chafe, etc...?
>> I was considering small amounts in little plastic containers and bouncing the rest but that could take up precious space/weight in my pack .  Any ideas?
>> Thanks all!
>> Jake
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:49:17 -0500
>From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Powerhouse Fire route
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <002d01cf3017$f06118f0$d1234ad0$@com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>
>I must admit I'm confused by the response below. In the first paragraph it
>says the trail isn't bad you learned after the fact. In the second paragraph
>you say the detour is easy.  Then in the third paragraph you say the poodle
>dog bush is horrendous.  Are there three trails?  More importantly - which
>is the "best" trail to take - assuming you're willing to do a little poodle
>dog bush evasion, but not willing to wade through it?
>
>Opinions from all welcome!
>Thanks,
>Timberline
>
>  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott [mailto:public at postholer.com] 
>Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 4:58 PM
>To: welchenergy at gmail.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Powerhouse Fire route
>
>Hey Dan,
>
>The Station Fire. Last year we took the detour from Pacifico Mtn down to
>Mill Creek Ranger Station. I wish I hadn't because the trail wasn't bad, I
>learned after the fact. And it was the only detour I took on the entire
>trail...arrrgh!
>
>The detour is easy and follows these roads all downhill, 3N17E, 3N17.3,
>3N17.4, here's a map: http://tinyurl.com/lh9fcao
>
>The PCTA has done absolutely nothing in this area since the fire 5 years
>ago. The poodle dog bush is horrendous, you need to be a contortionist. 
>Definitely worth pestering them about it. They have totally dropped the
>ball.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:03:16 -0800
>From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
>    <CALV1NznH2eKC=DdCuvt83y7xkYMHK0S8mxyW2KiNQ+Ggn3L2Eg at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pecans have about the same calories per ounce.  Sunflower seeds are nearly
>> 240 calories per ounce.
>
>Here is a table of calories
>
>http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/carbcounts/a/Carbs-Fats-And-Calories-In-Nuts-And-Seeds.htm
>
>> Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your
>> food bag when you walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead
>> of what looks best on a spreadsheet.  If you're lucky you'll find something
>> that's both.
>
>That is the best advice of all. The only problem is that you don't
>know that food that you love will be.... And it will change as the
>miles pass.
>
>HOYH, YMMV.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:38:33 -0800
>From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <D48FC3DE-CE1B-4BDD-A522-AC6A5773FFEB at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=windows-1252
>
>I carry a small trial size toothpaste and refill it occasionally. I have a tiny little bottle I saved from when my bird got some medicine at the vet. I would put shampoo in there. I later found out that the pink gas station hand soap makes great shampoo so I would refill it after washing my hair in the gas station sink. I put my DEET in a tiny trial size visine bottle. Turned out I needed the extra large economy size for DEET so that didn?t work. Sanitizer goes in a trial size, too. I saved one from pre-911 so that it?s extra small, not one of the big ones they have now. I carried a hotel soap in a little patch kit box I got at the bike shop. Poison oak cream is not needed. Anti-chafe powder I put in a small ziploc and put that in a larger ziploc. My hairbrush is just the rubber pin-cushion part of a brush without the rest of the brush. It always comes off the rest of the brush anyway. I carried a small foil single-serving of neosporin I got out of a
 first aid kit and I woul
d
>  refill it with a toothpick now and then. I kept it in a tiny ziploc I got with extra shirt buttons. Just keep thinking like that. How can I make this thing smaller, lighter or what can I put it in and also can I just do without it. I?m going to stink in about 10 minutes on the trail anyway, so why bother with all this washing and perfuming. Nothing smells worse than an oncoming day hiker anyway.
>
>On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Jake Handy <jakers329 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Lotions and potions
>> 
>> Does anyone have a barebones system for carrying such hygiene/personal items like soap, sanitizer, deet, PO cream, anti-chafe, etc...?
>> I was considering small amounts in little plastic containers and bouncing the rest but that could take up precious space/weight in my pack .  Any ideas?
>> Thanks all!
>> Jake
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:45:43 -0800 (PST)
>From: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>, PCT-L List
>    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <1393123543.293.YahooMailNeo at web141503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Brick is right about food(s) on the PCT? I have been dealing with PCT hikers? starting in 1994 and I can tell you a few things about hiker food over the years.....20....
>Hikers tend to sit home in feb/mar/april? thinking about what food to pack for a thru hike......so they go buy this food and pack it up for their 4 month hike... This also is about the folks who freeze dry their food and buy expensive choc. and lots of almonds and pecans and other high end expensive foods.....
>Lets bring in here the folks who think WOW its hard to find pro on the trail so lets go veg the whole way. Something that doesn't? show up here on PCT is how many people change their food eating habits on?the trail......I remember girls talking about fan...about eating hot dogs who never in their lives??ate one.... 
>I was once at Donnas house in AD cooking flake steak and had 2veg. come out of their tents for a taste....
>If you are a 2014 hiker you will soon learn.....what your? other 2014 hikers are getting in their mail drops that will end ?up in the hiker boxes. I am here to tell you its some of the best food on the pct but even you may tired of glazed pecans or freeze dried strawberries....
>So yes pack your b oxes for the first 500 miles?? with what you like but for?the? next 500 change it and tell you person at home sending you your boxes to be prepared to do so.....
>
>Hiker boxes become battleground zero by the time you reach O....?
>On Saturday, February 22, 2014 3:05 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>?
>On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pecans have about the same calories per ounce.? Sunflower seeds are nearly
>> 240 calories per ounce.
>
>Here is a table of calories
>
>http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/carbcounts/a/Carbs-Fats-And-Calories-In-Nuts-And-Seeds.htm
>
>> Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your
>> food bag when you walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead
>> of what looks best on a spreadsheet.? If you're lucky you'll find something
>> that's both.
>
>That is the best advice of all. The only problem is that you don't
>know that food that you love will be.... And it will change as the
>miles pass.
>
>HOYH, YMMV.
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:43:45 -0800
>From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Waterlogged
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Cc: nhuber01 at gmail.com
>Message-ID: <C9006AEB-9E61-4798-A200-FB1C0A7D416D at gmail.com>
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>
>I was asked to post a link to a review of Waterlogged by Tim Noakes. This is the link.
>http://www.irunfar.com/2012/07/waterlogged-a-dogma-shattering-book.html
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:23:41 -0500 (EST)
>From: hiker97 at aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Stolen Car
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <8D0FE6E8C5B2B64-1114-12032 at webmail-va020.sysops.aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>One day TrailDust could not find her car keysafter shopping at the mall.  She gave herselfa TSA pat down, but no keys.  Suddenly,she realized that she must have left them in the car in the parking lot.
> 
>She rushes to the parking lot and looksfrantically.  There was no car to befound.  Her husband, Grizzly, had warnedseveral times about leaving her keys in the ignition, when out and about.  He said it was an easy way for the car to bestolen.  Now it looked like he was right.
> 
>She immediately calls the police and givesthem her location and the vehicle description.  Then she makes the most difficultcall of all to Grizzly:  "I left my keys in the car and it's beenstolen."  
> 
>There was a moment of silence.  Then Grizzly responds, ?But I dropped you offat the mall today. ?
> 
>Now it was TrailDust?s turn to be silent andeven more embarrassed.  Finally, shesays, ?Well, come and get me!?
>Grizzly retorts, "I will, as soon as Iconvince this cop that I didn't steal your car."
>-------------------------------------
>Your obedient servant and trail rapscallion,
>Switchback the Trail Pirate
> 
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:33:07 +0900
>From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] my secret to getting in shape
>To: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>Dear Diane
>
>I dislike such muscle training, so I am just ended three days training hike
>with my wife. Now, I am staying a hotel with spa. As an 80 pounds heavy
>trucker, I am always nervous about my backpack. I have just tested
>re-modeled Ospray Volt 75, which worked best. I could not discriminated
>23kg and 30 kg pack weight. The remodeling was great success. To keep my
>shape, I sometimes try long distance running, and avoiding overeating,
>except buffet. The dinner in this evening and the breakfast are the
>exceptions.
>
>https://sites.google.com/site/completewalkerequipment/home/2-backpack/volt-75
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:24:48 -0800
>From: "dm" <dm at quixnet.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Tyvek, small containers, health
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <530a04b0.1c1.5046.27917 at quixnet.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Tyvek:  Lowe's and other similar businesses get bundles of
>lumber covered with tyvek.  I went to Lowe's and just asked
>an employee for a piece.  He gave me the entire sheet that
>was in their dumpster.  Cut out what you need and save the
>rest for late.  Running it thru a wash cycle will soften it.
>
>Small containers:  Prescription drugs should be labeled to
>prevent seizing by TSA, etc.  To avoid carrying several pill
>bottles, I ordered small ziplock parts bags from an
>industrial supply business.  The pharmacy printed up new Rx
>labels for me to put on the bags. I carry a small supply of
>meds I might need and also have copies of the prescription
>in case I need a refill along the way.
>
>Aging and activity:  Shroomer gave some good advice about
>lifestyle and health.  My wife and I pretty much live like
>that, staying very active, exercising, etc.  She started
>running at 67 while recovering from very aggressive breast
>cancer and the subsequent radical surgery plus very
>aggressive chemotherapy and radiation.  Ran her first
>half-marathon at 68 and continues to run several ties a
>week, doing weights on the off days.  She came in first in
>her age group in her last race.
>
>I bike 1,000 to 1,500 miles a year, hike, do yoga every day
>and have been training for 3 months preparing to resume my
>PCT hike that was interrupted by a broken foot last year at
>Idyllwild.  In a few weeks I will pick up my hike at Saddle
>Junction, where I left the trail last year.  Somewhere north
>of the Sierras I will celebrate my 74th birthday.
>
>This info is written with the hope of encouraging you
>younger people to keep active, be wise about what kind and
>how much food you eat.  You'll rust up before you wear out
>so KEEP MOVING!  Be wise also about what you put in your
>mind.  Read some positive, uplifting books.  Hang out with
>optimistic, compassionate people.  
>
>On a final note, ladies, especially you young ones that
>think you don't need to do it yet, PLEASE do a breast
>self-exam EVERY MONTH!  Don't rely on an annual mammogram to
>protect you.  They are notoriously unreliable.  My wife's
>last mammogram was totally clear just 6 months before a
>large, fast-growing cancer was removed, along with both
>breasts and a lot of lymph nodes.  OK, rant off.
>
>Have a happy hike!
>
>Duracell
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:32:51 -0800
>From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Expensive trail food (was Re: PCT - Hard Dirt?)
>To: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com>
>Cc: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Brick Robbins
>    <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS258E7BA6339C8B12A50E6D2C8870 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>As strange as it sounds I've lost all my taste for sweet foods on the trail. Cookies etc   Except for dried fruit. Why? Who knows. I imagine it's just that I have self corrected for wanting what my body actually needs. But that could be just silly and is certainly not backed up by any science that I know about. I just know my appetite for healthy foods have changed after so many miles. I want only clean foods( no chemicals) no added sugars.   Marmot
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:45 PM, "ed faubert" <edfaubert at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Brick is right about food(s) on the PCT  I have been dealing with PCT hikers  starting in 1994 and I can tell you a few things about hiker food over the years.....20....
>> Hikers tend to sit home in feb/mar/april  thinking about what food to pack for a thru hike......so they go buy this food and pack it up for their 4 month hike... This also is about the folks who freeze dry their food and buy expensive choc. and lots of almonds and pecans and other high end expensive foods.....
>> Lets bring in here the folks who think WOW its hard to find pro on the trail so lets go veg the whole way. Something that doesn't  show up here on PCT is how many people change their food eating habits on the trail......I remember girls talking about fan...about eating hot dogs who never in their lives  ate one.... 
>> I was once at Donnas house in AD cooking flake steak and had 2veg. come out of their tents for a taste....
>> If you are a 2014 hiker you will soon learn.....what your  other 2014 hikers are getting in their mail drops that will end  up in the hiker boxes. I am here to tell you its some of the best food on the pct but even you may tired of glazed pecans or freeze dried strawberries....
>> So yes pack your b oxes for the first 500 miles   with what you like but for the  next 500 change it and tell you person at home sending you your boxes to be prepared to do so.....
>> 
>> Hiker boxes become battleground zero by the time you reach O.... 
>> On Saturday, February 22, 2014 3:05 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>>  
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Pecans have about the same calories per ounce.  Sunflower seeds are nearly
>>> 240 calories per ounce.
>> 
>> Here is a table of calories
>> 
>> http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/carbcounts/a/Carbs-Fats-And-Calories-In-Nuts-And-Seeds.htm
>> 
>>> Every last gram is worthless if it's still in your
>>> food bag when you walk into the next town, so get what you'll eat instead
>>> of what looks best on a spreadsheet.  If you're lucky you'll find something
>>> that's both.
>> 
>> That is the best advice of all. The only problem is that you don't
>> know that food that you love will be.... And it will change as the
>> miles pass.
>> 
>> HOYH, YMMV.
>> 
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>
>Message: 14
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:45:35 -0800
>From: Andrea Harrison <andylouharrison at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tyvek
>To: PCT mail box <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <SNT145-W720B54EF6D5CBF7AA7ABA4B9870 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
>
>Tyvek can be ordered online - Ebay is a good source, and you can order any quantity you want. Cost is minimal. Good luck. Trail Sampler.
>                           
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:51:10 -0700
From: "Paint Your Wagon" <n801yz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l]  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Brick,

Facts! They are a stubborn thing. 

Thanks,

<>Paint<>

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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 01:07:58 -0800
From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Here's how you can find and see the data, but this may leave you with more
questions.

Install Google Earth.  Go to http://www.pctmap.net/gps/ and download and
uncompress all the track files, but not the side trails unless you're
wanting that too.  Import the uncompressed track files into Google Earth
while having it add line strings and adjust to ground height.  Right click
on each track and have it general an elevation profile.  That will show you
the elevation gain/loss for each section.

All the results are limited by the frequency of track points.  Halfmile had
to reduce the number of track points to increase compatibility with gps
devices.  If there's a dip or rise between points, then it can be factored
into the elevation gain/loss.

The results are further limited by Google's topo data in Google Earth.

If you have Garmin's Basecamp software you can use that in the same way,
except is calculates elevation gain/loss from the data in the track file.

Sites like www.caltopo.com works too, but they smooth out the tracks, which
means they remove some of the data points, and thus some of the elevation
gain/loss data is lost as well.

Here's how the elevation gain/loss in feet compares for section A.
Garmin Basecamp: 15738/15650
Google Earth: 13119/12987
Caltopo: 10352/10221



As I said earlier, the number points affects the results.  If I use the
track files from http://www.pctmap.net/gps-url-loading/, which has all the
track points, here's my results of elevation gain/loss in feet for section
A.
Garmin Basecamp: 24271/24154
Google Earth: 13358/13227
Caltopo: 10727/10596

The results in Basecamp are incredibly different now, especially when
Halfmile's printable maps say the elevation gain/loss in feet is
16452/16335. I opened this track file in Excel to double check, and I also
came up with 24271/24154.

Since I can most directly see how the results in Basecamp are calculated, I
trust it the most. Using the full gps data for the entire trail in
Basecamp, the elevation gain/loss in feet is 649181/648156.

All the results above are limited by the gps devices that created the track
data, which was probably a consumer grade device.  Professional gps
hardware would be able to pin point the locations, including elevation, to
centimeters or less.  There was a trail angel a few years ago that had
planned to use a pair of professional gps devices to map out the trail, but
I don't know what happened to that.




On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:33 AM, b j <xthrow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for total PCT elevation gain / loss stats, ideally also broken
> down by state.  (How much did we really go up and down?)
>
>
> The only place I've found mention of it is on Mike & Sarah's blog -
> http://www.mspct.com/pct-facts/ and they don't reference where they got
> the info.  I'm hoping we can locate an official source of this info.
>
> -Porsche
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 01:16:24 -0800
From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Using Halfmile's untrimmed track files, I came up with 649,181 feet of
elevation gain and 648,156 feet of elevation loss in Garmin Basecamp.  Part
of that data was verified in Excel.

As you may know, his data points are far closer together than a half mile,
but  vary between ~10 feet apart and hundreds of feet apart.  He could have
turned up the track point recording frequency on his gps, but his gps
device is probably consumer grade, so it isn't going to be very accurate or
precise anyway.  Unless someone gets out there with professional grade
hardware, we're not going to get much more reliable results.


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Paint Your Wagon <n801yz at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Porsche,
>
> Well- that didn't work out as well as I thought it would.
>
> The first page of each section has the gains and loses for that section,
> but nothing for the entire trail.
>
> Whiteblaze had a figure for the PCT of well over 600,000 feet, but I could
> not find a source for the data.
>
> Another AT site had the figure at a little over 300,000 feet. That's when
> I quit looking due to the discrepancies.
>
> Adding the figures of each section from Half Mile's maps will give you
> your answer with a modest effort.
>
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:54:14 +0900
From: Eric Martinot <eric at martinot.info>
Subject: [pct-l]  PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Some time ago I added up all the section elevation gains noted on the
first page of each section on the Half Mile maps, which I assumed were
based on continuous meter-by-meter GPS tracking so would give the actual
total climbing stats (integral), not just "step up/down"
half-mile-interval based stats, but I hope Half Mile might clarify. 
Anyway, I didn't use a calculator, just added in my head, and got
310,000 ft, which is about 60 miles, or 10 times Everest from sea-level,
or 25 times Everest from base camp to summit.  But why the discrepancy
from Jim (PITA)?   And what about the 600,000 ft (110 miles) mentioned
in other posts?


Paint Your Wagon n801yz at hotmail.com 
Sun Feb 23 22:09:49 CST 2014

Jim (PITA)

Thanks for the numbers. 

92.6 miles up- 

92.5 miles down- 

Wow! 

How interesting is that?

<>Paint<>


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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:36:14 -0500
From: "Dan Welch" <welchenergy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] closures in CA Section D-E-F
To: "'PCT-L Backcountry'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The closure at 479 is the Powerhouse fire and it is documented on the PCTA
site relatively well with a couple alternate routes.

I haven't seen anything on the closure you're talking about at 357.  That is
around Baden Powell. Anyone know of anything that?s going on there?

There is also the Endangered Species Detour starting at Mile 386.  It is
well documented on Halfmile's maps.  Because this detour is expected to be
in place for many years, he designates this route with the red trace that is
used for the official PCT route.  (His alternates are in purple.)  This is
more or less the "official" PCT now. It adds about 12.5 miles to the trail
mileage.  (Trail statisticians take note - these 12.5 miles are not included
in the oft-quoted distance for the length of the PCT!)  More importantly, if
you're planning your food drops or purchases by the PCT mileage numbers,
understand that you have an extra 12.5 miles to provide for here.  

There is another alternate to know about at Mile 419.  This is due to Poodle
Dog Bush from the regrowth at the Station Fire site.  This is not an
official trail closure.  Based on information from other posters, I have
gathered that it is not bad from 419 (Mill Creek Ranger Station) to Mile
425.  From there on the poodle dog bush has been described as "horrendous"
and "impassable".  So a detour seems in order...  Unfortunately it looks
like that means a road walk of 4 to 6  miles to Messenger Flats around mile
430.  This is roughly the same distance as the trail, so no extra mileage
here.

That's all I know about.
Timberline    

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of CClark
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:57 PM
To: PCT-L Backcountry
Subject: [pct-l] closures in CA Section D-E-F

I have seen past discussions about trail closures from mile?357-364.5 and
from mile?479-518. ?Are these closures still in place? What are the
suggested detours?
Are there any other closures currently in Section D-E-F?

I've looked on the PCTA site but can't find much information on them. ?Maybe
I'm looking in the wrong place.?

Thanks,
Carolyn



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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 05:52:31 -0800
From: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Los Angeles Aqueduct along the PCT
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hiked the  40 miles north from Hikertown (Mile 518) over the weekend.  The
route obviously follows the California Aqueduct for a while, but portions
are also along the huge rusted pipes of the 100 year old Los Angeles
Aqueduct. Many pictures of that historic project, so vital to the early
growth of Los Angeles, are seen here:
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Construction_of_the_LA_Aqueduct.html There
is even a 1908 map on the site which shows where the pipe passes Neenach,
the "town" nearest Hikertown.

Ron "Slo Charger" Graybill


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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:16:09 -0800
From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: "'Eric Martinot'" <eric at martinot.info>,    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <BAY168-DS3A76C1B2B6D30F08A70DEBD860 at phx.gbl>
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Eric Martinot wrote:
>
But why the discrepancy from Jim (PITA)?   And what about the 600,000 ft
(110 miles) mentioned in other posts?
>

As other people have pointed out, measuring elevation change is prone to
large error for a variety of reasons.  The number you get is highly
dependent on the resolution at which you generate the data.  Elevation is
more sensitive to this problem than linear distance is, though it's true for
linear distance as well.

If you make the resolution on your elevation data too high you can actually
start to measure "noise" which would defeat the accuracy of the data.  What
happens when the surveyor takes off his pack (with the GPS attached) and
sets it on the ground?  Is that a 5-foot loss of elevation?  What about the
couple inches the GPS is moving up and down every time the surveyor takes a
step?  Is that reflected in the data?  Or if you somehow fix the GPS to the
surface of the trail, what about drain dips?  Do they contribute to
elevation gain and loss?  Small rocks?  Footprints?

Ultimately elevation profile data is fractal in nature - its length only
increases as you look closer and closer, and it does so practically forever.
You just have to decide how detailed is detailed enough and be content with
whatever answer you get at that scale.

Eric



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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:30:46 -0800
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Waterlogged
To: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Nancy Huber
    <nhuber01 at gmail.com>
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    <CAKeeMLcF9VTF084JBneeZ6nxD65A4JOkSYJHZMGGpefVc4t0Yg at mail.gmail.com>
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EXCELLENT ADVICE PEOPLE!!!

Finally, reason and sanity to combat the electrolyte water madness!  This
should be required reading for everyone hiking the PCT!  No one needs to
fall for the marketing hype of needing prepackaged electrolytes!  In
excess, these are probably more harmful!  It is far better to get
everything from the food we eat and drink when we're thirsty!

Diane:  Every year, people ask about water and "electrolytes".  Can you
forward this to them?  I think it would be helpful as no one believes me
when I try to list electrolytes in common hiker foods and tell people stuff
like this, hyponatremia etc.

m


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was asked to post a link to a review of Waterlogged by Tim Noakes. This
> is the link.
> http://www.irunfar.com/2012/07/waterlogged-a-dogma-shattering-book.html
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:14:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: enyapjr at comcast.net
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Elevation gain/loss Stats
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>From Eric Martinot:
Some time ago I added up all the section elevation gains noted on the
first page of each section on the Half Mile maps, which I assumed were
based on continuous meter-by-meter GPS tracking so would give the actual
total climbing stats (integral), not just "step up/down"
half-mile-interval based stats, but I hope Half Mile might clarify. 
Anyway, I didn't use a calculator, just added in my head, and got
310,000 ft, which is about 60 miles, or 10 times Everest from sea-level,
or 25 times Everest from base camp to summit. But why the discrepancy
from Jim (PITA)?  And what about the 600,000 ft (110 miles) mentioned
in other posts?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Guess I should have started with a "FWIW" since it is NOT 'my' data 
(except the 'results' of simple arithmetic)...  It was done only as a 
quick 'exercise' out of curiosity using Halfmile's 2014 elevation gain 
& loss figures given on the first page of each of the 30 PCT sections.

Knowing that in using a GPS device the elevation measurement is by far
the least accurate - that is the nature of the 'beast' in triangulating
from great distances... But logic would seem to tend towards the many
elevation readings 'averaging' out - for any one elevation reading that
was too 'high', there would probably be another that was too 'low' -
thus coming out fairly accurately in the END (but NOT necessarily 
somewhere in between the start & finish)... I did another 'exercise'
after obtaining the +1010' difference between mile 0.0 and mile 2668.8 -
and the 'interesting' result was quite close; looking at the topo maps 
and extrapolating between the contour lines (then converting from metric
for the Canada elevation) 0.0 elevation was ~2890', 2668.8 elevation was
~3904' (~1190 m), a difference of 1014' (not bad considering that the
extrapolations are "educated guesses")!

In all honesty, the results do not mean too much to me - I really don't 
care what the overall elevation gain & loss is - and since there is no
true & accurate "official" mileage or extremely accurate trail trace or
location, the 'discussion' is mostly meaningless & won't prove anything.

IMHO, YMEGLMV (Your Mileage & Elevation Gain Loss May Vary!!) ;-) HYOH!

ps: do NOT "assume" for what it makes of 'you & me'; and "never say 'never' 
& never say 'always'." :-/

Happy trails!!!
Jim (PITA)


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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:22:20 -0800
From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Los Angeles Aqueduct along the PCT
To: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Do you have any reports on trail closures/detours or water availability at
caches and natural sources ie: Oak Creek Bridge, Tiger Tank, Cottonwood
Creek, etc... that you could post to the PCT  'Water Report' ?
*Send updates to:  water at pctwater.com <water at pctwater.com>  or phone/text
619-734-7289*
[voice mail or text only, no one will answer]



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hiked the  40 miles north from Hikertown (Mile 518) over the weekend.  The
> route obviously follows the California Aqueduct for a while, but portions
> are also along the huge rusted pipes of the 100 year old Los Angeles
> Aqueduct. Many pictures of that historic project, so vital to the early
> growth of Los Angeles, are seen here:
> http://waterandpower.org/museum/Construction_of_the_LA_Aqueduct.html There
> is even a 1908 map on the site which shows where the pipe passes Neenach,
> the "town" nearest Hikertown.
>
> Ron "Slo Charger" Graybill
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:55:52 +0000
From: Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com>
Subject: [pct-l] My secret to getting in shape
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I agree with the suggestion that activity and exercise needs to be a lifestyle choice. I keep myself moving by signing up for century bike rides--hard ones like Deathride in Markleyville. It forces me to get out of a warm bed in the morning and put some hard miles in. In addition, pushing yourself on challenging events helps train the mind for the inevitable hardships that come with multi-day hikes. 

Herb

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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:34:34 -0500 (EST)
From: aslive at charter.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Solo girl June-July
To: Anon <anonymous_570 at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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With beginner backpacking skills, this would be difficult.  How many 
days have you been out by yourself up to now?  How old are you and what 
kind of shape are you in?  The highest mountains are in these sections, 
most years there would be a lot of snow and ice.  I recommend taking 
Ted's snow course.  There are also a lot of stream crossing that may be 
lower this year due to the low snow fall, but that could change with a 
late season storm or two, making them swift and powerful.  These would 
be better crossed with a group.  You can pick up a group by sitting by 
the stream bank until a group comes by.  How are your first aid skills? 
You don't want to be hurt and all alone.  That said, it can be done. 
Joining up with a group that you may met along the way would be safer 
and more fun, you would also feed off the enthusiasm of the other group 
members and be less likely to quit.

Shephed

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Anon wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm looking for any thoughts or advice on a solo female with beginner 
> backpacking skills hiking from Walker Pass to South Tahoe (or just 
> beyond) from about June 20 - July 28th. I'd prefer to hike with the 
> main stream of people to maybe make a few friends along the way. Any 
> thoughts or suggestions for a fun, safe, and rewarding walk?
> Thanks!
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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:56:29 -0600
From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Solo girl June-July
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Carly -

I completely disagree with Shephed.
Starting from Walker Pass on June 20, you will encounter very little snow
in the Sierra this year.
You DO NOT need Ned's snow course.
Do not worry.  You will not be hurt and all alone.
You will make life-long friends.

Because of the low snow pack, you will be behind the main thru-hiker pack
if you start from Walker Pass on June 20.  However, you will still meet
people -- GREAT people!  Hikers are amazing, and we all look out for each
other.

You will be fine.  Just go for it!

Yogi
www.yogisbooks.com


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:34 AM, <aslive at charter.net> wrote:

> With beginner backpacking skills, this would be difficult.  How many
> days have you been out by yourself up to now?  How old are you and what
> kind of shape are you in?  The highest mountains are in these sections,
> most years there would be a lot of snow and ice.  I recommend taking
> Ted's snow course.  There are also a lot of stream crossing that may be
> lower this year due to the low snow fall, but that could change with a
> late season storm or two, making them swift and powerful.  These would
> be better crossed with a group.  You can pick up a group by sitting by
> the stream bank until a group comes by.  How are your first aid skills?
> You don't want to be hurt and all alone.  That said, it can be done.
> Joining up with a group that you may met along the way would be safer
> and more fun, you would also feed off the enthusiasm of the other group
> members and be less likely to quit.
>
> Shephed
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Anon wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I'm looking for any thoughts or advice on a solo female with beginner
> > backpacking skills hiking from Walker Pass to South Tahoe (or just
> > beyond) from about June 20 - July 28th. I'd prefer to hike with the
> > main stream of people to maybe make a few friends along the way. Any
> > thoughts or suggestions for a fun, safe, and rewarding walk?
> > Thanks!
> > Carly _______________________________________________
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