[pct-l] QUERY: Is a bug-net going to be necessary between Yosemite and Mt. Whitney during July 23rd to Aug 16th?
Hubbard Rick
rick at rickhubbard.org
Thu Jul 10 13:28:29 CDT 2014
Greetings,
If one has deet, is a bug-net going to be necessary between Yosemite and Mt. Whitney during July 23rd to Aug 16th?
When I hiked north on the PCT in 2002 (mid June to early July) it was no problem at all. Does it change as temps get warmer?
Your thoughts?
Rick
Rick Hubbard
12 Woodbine Street
South Burlington, VT 05403
Email: rick at rickhubbard.org
Cell: 802-999-3905
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> 3. Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel Fundraising
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> 4. PCT Hikers Deported (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 5. Re: "Business"...."THE NATURE OF THE BEAST" (Tim Umstead)
> 6. Re: Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel
> Fundraising (Eric Fuller)
> 7. Re: iPhone trekking pole holder? (Michael Irving)
> 8. Re: Trees Down in Section L (Barry Teschlog)
> 9. High Speed Trail Builder (Bob Bankhead)
> 10. Re: High Speed Trail Builder (Brick Robbins)
> 11. House/Pet-Sitting Opportunity (Jennifer Zuber)
> 12. Re: "Business"...."THE NATURE OF THE BEAST" (walt Durling)
> 13. Trees down in Section L (Charles Williams)
> 14. Tree down early in Section M (Charles Williams)
> 15. Limits on the numbers of JMT hikers (Tim Umstead)
> 16. Re: Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel
> Fundraising (dsaufley)
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> From: Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone trekking pole holder?
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 1:12:23 PM EDT
> To: Michael Irving <michaeljirving at gmail.com>, Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com>, pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Reply-To: Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com>
>
>
> That does look like a good deal! Only issue might be delivery. It ships from Hong Kong. I've purchased from China before and it took 8 weeks to arrive. By the time I got it, I had forgotten that I ordered it.
> Bill
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:50 AM, Michael Irving <michaeljirving at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I use a Case Star Phone Mount.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Case-Cellphone-Smartphone-Samsung-BlackBerry/dp/B00CR74FKA/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1404919721&sr=8-12&keywords=case+star+holder
>
> It's super cheap ($5) and threads to the StickPic or any other tripod (I
> use StickPic and a Joby Gorillapod). It's light at only 17 grams and has a
> spring-loaded clamp to hold the phone which is super easy and flexilble to
> use.
>
> -GoalTech
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone suggest a device that will hold my iPhone to the end of my
>> trekking pole for self video on Trail? I have the stickpen but that's for
>> threaded cameras .... Also what seems to be the best iPhone backup battery
>> on trail?
>>
>> "Sent from my iPhone"
>>
>> Brian
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> From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trees Down in Section L
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 2:35:21 PM EDT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, tokencivilian at yahoo.com
>
>
> Barry talked about trail angels putting more effort into trail work
> rather than food and drink on the trail. Many trail angels are older
> people who want to help hikers and cannot do the physical work of
> trail maintenance. The PCT is evolving as a trail experience, both for
> those hiking the trail and the larger trail community, which includes
> people in towns along the way, trail angels who don't hike and those
> who maintain an interest in reading about the trail. At one time there
> was no trail tread--then someone had an idea to develop this trail.
> Now there is trail tread. Some would argue that putting in a trail
> tread is trail "magic" that is inappropriate to wilderness--you should
> just go cross country in its most primitive form. And so it
> goes--water caches, food, rides, etc etc. Each one an escalation of
> trail magic. I believe it will all self regulate as the trail
> evolves.I don't reject this evolution because I believe the trail will
> cease to exist if it doesn't evolve along with the interaction of the
> surrounding trail community--including those who can't do trail work
> and those who don't hike at all but support the trail. I also use
> water from caches, believing this is a good part of the
> trail/community evolution.
>
> I hiked my first section of the PCT in 1976. There were trail angels
> back then, but they didn't call themselves trail angels--they were
> just good people who wanted to help hikers.I also don't consider
> evolving forms of trail magic to be somehow violating a kind of trail
> "purity" that we experienced in the 70's. I say let it
> evolve--beer,burgers, water, rides.
>
> That being said, I do advocate those who physically can to join trail
> maintenance projects, but realize that the greater group of people who
> support the trail cannot physically do that kind of work. I don't want
> them to be shut out of being part of the trail experience. They will
> help the PCT survive and thrive.
> --Fireweed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel Fundraising
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 4:19:36 PM EDT
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Reply-To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
>
>
> I post quite infrequently on this list, but am doing so preemptively today. A fellow named Eric B. Fuller has proposed creating a trail angel fundraising non-profit all over Facebook, and who knows where else. Directly below is my response to Eric’s message. Eric’s message is directly below mine. He has posted this intent in emails and on Facebook. I have posted my response to him everywhere I’ve found his posts. I have also told Eric publicly that I will bring legal action to stop any attempt by him to leverage me or Hiker Heaven in his fund raising efforts. So this is my way of getting word out there that Donna Lynn “L-Rod” Saufley, Floyd Jefferson Saufley, and Hiker Heaven do not endorse or support this fund raising attempt in any way. I would greatly appreciate any information that would indicate that Mr. Fuller ever uses us (our names, images, or references) in any way in his campaign to legitimize his efforts. Thank you.
>
>
>
> Donna “L-Rod” Saufley
>
>
>
> ***************************
>
> Eric:
>
>
>
> Here’s my $.02:
>
>
>
> I appreciate your enthusiasm, but frankly I don’t know who you are. You came out of nowhere with a failed record attempt, and have spent more time promoting yourself and trying to develop a non-profit than you have on the trail or in the trail angel community. In fact, you’ve promoted yourself more on your failed attempt than actual successful record holders have about themselves. This puts red flags on the field for me. On your Facebook page you state “ Long Distance Speed Hiker <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Long-Distance-Speed-Hiker/274285892722994> at Pacific Crest Trail <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pacific-Crest-Trail/105616572804764> and Chairman <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chairman-CEO/101256216649658> & CEO at Eric B. Fuller, Inc. <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-B-Fuller-Inc/467010510064112> ” None of this is credible in my opinion. For me it takes time to build trust, and a reputation. I cannot speak for others, but you have not earned this with me personally.
>
>
>
> As far as I know, no one in the trail angel community is asking you to assist or promote them. You should ask trail angels whether they want to be featured on your site or promoted by you. Other sites have provided this courtesy. You did not ask me. You seem to be seeking to legitimize your own non-profit attempts by leveraging the kindness of trail angels without their permission. I do not give you permission to do that with me or Hiker Heaven. You do not have the right to use what I do to build your own non-profit. If others are okay with this, that is their business, but please leave me out of it until such time, if or when, I choose to be a part of it.
>
>
>
> There are a host of reasons (pardon the pun) to NOT promote the needs of trail angels in broader audiences. What we do can be very dicey when it comes to municipal and county authorities. If we receive funds in the public eye, we may then be forced to account for the funding and pay taxes ourselves on it. You can unleash a cascade of bureaucratic frustrations, and even get trail angels shut down (as has happened to Tom Figueroa in Kennedy Meadows). Sorry, but no thanks.
>
>
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> I really think you should channel your energy into supporting the PCTA. They can really use people who want to do fund raising to support the trail and are structured to handle the accounting and accountability that comes along with receiving corporate donations.
>
>
>
> Sorry to be a wet blanket on all your humble enthusiasm.
>
>
>
> Donna Saufley
>
>
>
> *********************************
>
> From: Eric Fuller [mailto:efuller at planhike.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:14 PM
> To: 'sam white'
> Cc: (removed)
>
>
>
> http://trailangelfund.org/2014/07/08/eric-fullers-charitable-intentions-for-the-trail-angel-fund-and-associated-organizations/
>
>
>
> Hi Sam!
>
>
>
> This might be a lot for us all to take in.. so please read through this when you have the time and please pass it along to other concerned trail angels, hikers and any charitable minded nature lovers you know..
>
>
>
> Thanks for including me in your email and inviting me to the meeting that took place today.
>
> I apologize for not being able to attend.. Things have been a bit challenging since the car broke down when Kelli extracted me from Barrel Spring on what.. I think it was the 11th.. or 12th.. We just got the car back finally.. Just couldn’t respond quick enough to get up there today..
>
>
>
> My heart is in this and I am excited that your looking at the websites I am developing for our community of hikers to use as tools in the planning of their hikes and then during the actual hikes themselves..
>
>
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> I am humbled that Whitney La Ruffa with ALDHA-West contacted me and asked if it’s ok for them to feature a link to www.TrailAngelList.org “since you have a nice clean and concise list for people to use”
>
>
>
> I am humbled that the PCTA.org site has sent numerous referrals to each of the sites and even featured my sar story in their twitter account..
>
>
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> I am humbled that many trail angels have contacted me to be added to the trail angel list already.. I feel that I have barely touched the tip of the iceberg though.. and that’s just for the PCT.. not to mention other trails around the world..
>
>
>
> I love to showcase folks like Tom Kennedy over there on the AT who works for that hike for mental illness non profit..
>
> I love to bring awareness.
>
>
>
> I am humbled that Tortoise has taken an interest in what I am doing and that Jason Moores reached out to me with some great ideas!
>
> I still owe Jason a response actually.. Maybe one of you can forward this email to him?
>
>
>
> In response to Jason, I feel a great desire to help others gain awareness and build market share.. What I feel Jason and the Wolverines’s are doing is wonderful and amazing work and I do not want to take anything away from that whatsoever. My dreams are not to monopolize fundraising nor become a banker for the other fund raising events.. but to help them build market share by sharing their links with our followers and promoting their banners and such in our blog and pages..
>
>
>
> The plan is to build our own fund so that we can branch out to other area’s in life like big corporations that have earmarked green dollars which can only be captured through 501c3 organizations.. To Build it up to where the non-profit donations become tax deductible.. That is the golden ticket and in my humble opinion is what a non-profit should dream of being.. So the bottom line is that I am hoping to inspire people to get off the couch and I am attempting to build public awareness to the needs of trail angels, trail communities, and I certainly hope to inspire people to pick up after themselves and others..
>
>
>
> And I would like for the non-profit to give back to other non-profits once it’s annual objectives are met thus paying it forward to the trail communities and other important humanitarian, green non profits, etc that could use some funds to continue their greatness..
>
>
>
> All of this controlled by hopefully a tight group of concerned trail angels and hikers sitting on our boards and attending out meetings.
>
>
>
> I am truly floored and humbled by this experience and feel that my work here is extremely important!
>
> Lives are at stake out there and I’ve nearly died at least once that I’m aware of just from running out of water on the pacific crest trail..
>
>
>
> http://planhike.com/2014/06/15/hiker-dying-of-thirst-rescued-on-the-pacific-crest-trail-skywalker-books/
>
>
>
> http://planhike.com/2014/04/09/eric-fullers-pacific-crest-trail-sar-experiences-and-plans/
>
>
>
>
>
> I’m building trail angel list http://trailangellist.org <http://trailangellist.org/> , a trail angel fund http://trailangelfund.org <http://trailangelfund.org/> , a trail trash clean up network http://trailtrashcleanup.org <http://trailtrashcleanup.org/> and I’m setting up a trail angel association to be the think tank and pool from which to draw the board of directors from for the non profit I’m going set up to manage the fundraising activities..
>
>
>
> I’m not sure if any of this makes sense to you or if it all sounds outlandish or dreamish.. but I can tell you this.. I’m already building this slowly but surely!
>
>
>
> If your interested in joining the non profit association as a charter member.. I’m setting it up very soon and will set it up so that anyone who joins in the first 90 days will be a charter member.. considering a $15 annual association dues.. “The Trail Angel Association”
>
> I’m preparing the organizational documents as you read this and will display them online once executed and filed over the next couple of days.
>
>
>
> I am hoping that it will become an important association for trail angels, hikers and green humanitarian like people to want to join.. Because they see that great works that we do and want to be a part of it!
>
>
>
> All fundraising activities are to be documented and made transparent and online so people can see their money in action and read up on the financials.
>
>
>
> It will certainly grow faster with your help and support!
>
>
>
> Please Consider Joining My Wife, Children and I in furthering these efforts!
>
>
>
> I don’t want to control this!
>
>
>
> My intentions are grow this butterfly with my own blood, sweat and tears and then set it free!
>
>
>
> Thank You Kindly!
>
>
>
> Eric B. Fuller (Hundy)
>
>
>
> p.s. I just posted this up for you Sam! http://trailtrashcleanup.org/2014/07/08/planning-a-litter-pickup-at-58cameron-trailhead-saturday-july-12-7-a-m/
>
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>
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> here on the PCT-L because I have told Eric that if he utilizes me or Hiker Heaven in any way to promote proposed non-profit, I will take legal actions to stop him.
>
>
>
> Donna Saufley
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Hikers Deported
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 4:59:03 PM EDT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>
>
>
> Grizzly and his wife, Traildust,were with some their senior PCT hiking friends down at the trailtown saloonenjoying a few cool ones with hot pizza.
> All at once one of theirhiking buddies walks into the saloon. Heblurts out that he just heard that the Central Government will announce in afew days that they will start deporting senior citizens instead of the currentfolks flooding the U.S.
> “The reason for this bigchange is simple. They need to lower SocialSecurity and Medicare costs big time. Secondly, the seniors will not remember how to get back home. I thought of all of you and headed down hereto say my goodbyes.”
> “As I was rushing here, itdawned on me why should I be in a hurry, I will see you on the bus.”
> ---------------------------
> Your obedient servant and trail rascal,
> Switchback the Trail Pirate
>
>
>
>
> From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Business"...."THE NATURE OF THE BEAST"
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 5:04:11 PM EDT
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
>
> I agree about the water caches. They are not needed. None of them. Many
> people hiked the trail before there were caches and made it. My wife and I
> were two of them. We never ran out of water. You either learn to carry
> the water you will need or you got off the trail. The water caches are a
> luxury. Maybe a little less hand holding in S. Ca will make the
> thru-hikers more self-reliant and feel less entitled.
>
>
>
>
> From: Eric Fuller <efuller at planhike.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel Fundraising
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 5:09:53 PM EDT
> To: "dsaufley at sprynet.com" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
>
> Thanks for your vote of confidence Donna! Your not in the list nor does it look like you will be.. No worries.. Your thought are duly noted.. Thank you!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>>
>> I post quite infrequently on this list, but am doing so preemptively today. A fellow named Eric B. Fuller has proposed creating a trail angel fundraising non-profit all over Facebook, and who knows where else. Directly below is my response to Eric’s message. Eric’s message is directly below mine. He has posted this intent in emails and on Facebook. I have posted my response to him everywhere I’ve found his posts. I have also told Eric publicly that I will bring legal action to stop any attempt by him to leverage me or Hiker Heaven in his fund raising efforts. So this is my way of getting word out there that Donna Lynn “L-Rod” Saufley, Floyd Jefferson Saufley, and Hiker Heaven do not endorse or support this fund raising attempt in any way. I would greatly appreciate any information that would indicate that Mr. Fuller ever uses us (our names, images, or references) in any way in his campaign to legitimize his efforts. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Donna “L-Rod” Saufley
>>
>>
>>
>> ***************************
>>
>> Eric:
>>
>>
>>
>> Here’s my $.02:
>>
>>
>>
>> I appreciate your enthusiasm, but frankly I don’t know who you are. You came out of nowhere with a failed record attempt, and have spent more time promoting yourself and trying to develop a non-profit than you have on the trail or in the trail angel community. In fact, you’ve promoted yourself more on your failed attempt than actual successful record holders have about themselves. This puts red flags on the field for me. On your Facebook page you state “ Long Distance Speed Hiker <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Long-Distance-Speed-Hiker/274285892722994> at Pacific Crest Trail <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pacific-Crest-Trail/105616572804764> and Chairman <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chairman-CEO/101256216649658> & CEO at Eric B. Fuller, Inc. <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-B-Fuller-Inc/467010510064112> ” None of this is credible in my opinion. For me it takes time to build trust, and a reputation. I cannot speak for others, but you have not earned this with me personally.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as I know, no one in the trail angel community is asking you to assist or promote them. You should ask trail angels whether they want to be featured on your site or promoted by you. Other sites
>
>
>
>
> From: Michael Irving <michaeljirving at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone trekking pole holder?
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 5:22:44 PM EDT
> To: Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com>
>
>
> If you just search on Amazon you may find various vendors. They are
> commonly bundled with small tripods too that are sold domestically. (That's
> how I got my first one) I had to replace it after I stepped on it and
> cracked the plastic around the mount.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> That does look like a good deal! Only issue might be delivery. It ships
>> from Hong Kong. I've purchased from China before and it took 8 weeks to
>> arrive. By the time I got it, I had forgotten that I ordered it.
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:50 AM, Michael Irving <
>> michaeljirving at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I use a Case Star Phone Mount.
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Case-Cellphone-Smartphone-Samsung-BlackBerry/dp/B00CR74FKA/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1404919721&sr=8-12&keywords=case+star+holder
>>
>> It's super cheap ($5) and threads to the StickPic or any other tripod (I
>> use StickPic and a Joby Gorillapod). It's light at only 17 grams and has a
>> spring-loaded clamp to hold the phone which is super easy and flexilble to
>> use.
>>
>> -GoalTech
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone suggest a device that will hold my iPhone to the end of my
>>> trekking pole for self video on Trail? I have the stickpen but that's
>> for
>>> threaded cameras .... Also what seems to be the best iPhone backup
>> battery
>>> on trail?
>>>
>>> "Sent from my iPhone"
>>>
>>> Brian
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> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trees Down in Section L
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 7:44:03 PM EDT
> To: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Reply-To: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
>
>
> Yes, Mary / Fireweed, many Angels are older and many, both young and old, aren't physically able to do the "dig in the dirt" kind of trail work. I'm not advocating that they be shut out, on the contrary, I'm asking that all Angels consider expanding their minds to consider other options of how they can help the hikers by helping the trail. I'd add that by helping the trail (and thereby helping people, instead of helping the people directly) there isn't any tendency to foster the ill side effects that the proliferation in the soda / burger / beer "magic" has (IMO on those ill side effects).
>
>
> In case you and other Angels weren't aware, on our trail crew, we have many 70+ year olds, and a few 80+ year olds who are out there digging in the dirt. You're absolutely right that it's not for everyone at those ages (or even for younger folks), but these older guys and gals on the crew know how to get it on with axe, saw, shovel and lopper. Many probably are not as quick as the younger folks, but that's OK, since some is better than none and most of the older volunteers are very experienced in the tricks of the trade, know how to do it right and make excellent mentors to the less experienced volunteers.
>
>
> Even if a person is incapable of the physical aspects of trail crew (chopping, sawing, digging, lopping, etc), that doesn't mean they can't be of incredibly valuable service to their local crew, and therefore by extension to the trail, and by further extension and to ALL the hikers, now and well on into the future. A trail crew is a team, and needs everyone working together, with all the roles filled, to be fully effective. A quarterback needs the offensive line, the pitcher needs a catcher, a race car driver is ineffective without a solid pit crew (and engine builder, and body mechanic, and....). The QB might throw the winning touchdown, but it wouldn't happen without the line or the person making sure his equipment is in order, the pitcher might get credit for a no hitter, but without the catcher and solid play from the fielders, it would never happen. The engine builder or gas can guy on the pit crew takes the checkered flag on race day as
> much as the person at the wheel does.
>
>
> Here's a question: Do you know what other roles we need on our trail crew besides dirt volunteers, none of which requires using any tool more complex than car or consumer electronics, nor is more physical?
>
>
> We need camp cooks / hosts for our car camp trail crew trips. It's a relief to the crew to know that their sleeping bag and tent & stuff will be there, unpilfered at the dispersed camp site on the side of a Forest Road at the end of a day, guarded by the cook / host, who for most of the day is doing nothing more difficult than reading a pleasant book in the shade. It's a huge benefit to the crew to come back to big pitchers of cold sports drinks and hors d'ouvers all laid out after a hot day of cutting brush. To have the solar showers sitting out, all warmed up, after digging dusty tread all day is real "Magic" for the crew, who are out there doing their magic to the trail. And think of the increased effectiveness and efficiency for the dirt crew, as a cook / host allows the crew to be able to hit the trail earlier in the day, and staying later in the afternoon, since someone else is taking care of breakfast dishes, and doing the early prep for
> dinner. I'll add to this that the better we take care of our dirt volunteers, the more likely they'll come back in the future (and that's one of the huge leverage points a camp cook / host has). Effort level - cooking, dishes, food prep, mostly morning and evening, mid part of day is kicking back. Benefit - crew able to work longer and has a more positive experience, increasing likelihood of coming back for more in the future.
>
>
> We're doing log out in a bit over a week on 40 miles of trail south of I-90 / Snoqualmie Pass. We could sure use some nice safe drivers with an SUV willing to shuttle the crew from the exit points to the start points. That would save a lot of time for the saw teams in having to arrange the shuttle amongst themselves to fetch the cars at the end of the day, time they can spend covering more miles of trail, cutting more logs, fixing more things as they go. It would also be great if one of these drivers would be willing to just hang out and the end of day meeting point, as the various teams will finish their sections as different times. They could collect up the tools and sign out the teams as they finish, allowing the crew lead to spend more time in the field since they wouldn't have to insure that they're the first one back. Effort level - driving, hanging out, and a bit of paperwork. Benefit - allows crew to spend more time in the field
> working on the trail, less fatigue getting to / from trail, one way trips allow more miles of "new" trail to be covered for the same distance walked.
>
>
> Can a person still hike? Can they work a GPS and write? Are they observant and able to be trained in what trail work needs to be done? Excellent, you've just qualified as a trail scout. We need people willing to get out and hike the trail and report back what they find, in detail - no digging or sawing required, just walking. As a crew lead, I need to know what tools I'll need, how much of a problem there is, where it is, exactly, how many logs are down, how big they are, complicating factors, etc. In short, actionable information. Without it, we're flying blind, and far less effective than we could be. YOU could be this person if you're still able to get out and walk a few miles of trail. Effort level - walking. Benefit - saves dirt volunteers from this task, allowing their limited hours to be spent doing actual work on the trail.
>
>
> Can you run a computer? Are you organized? Can you keep track of names? Can you write a coherent e-mail? Can you shuffle & file paperwork? Detail oriented? Reliable? Great, you just qualified to be our trail crew's volunteer coordinator and paperwork person. All of us volunteer crew leads only have so many hours to put into the volunteer efforts. Relieve me and our other volunteer crew leads of having to do the paperwork and we'll have more time available to be in the field, fixing tread and cutting brush and clearing blow down. I'd love to show up at the tool cache Friday morning (when I'm taking a brushing team out) to find a packet with all my paperwork there - the sign in sheet with everyone who's said they'll be there, the Trail head Communication Plan all filled out, the correct Job Hazard Analysis all printed out, the volunteers all informed with detailed directions, etc. But instead, I'll spend an hour or so getting this all
> together on my own (and by extension use up another hour of the "hall passes" I get to go play on the trail, an hour that could be spent in the field instead). Effort level - clicky, clicky, clicky, print, print, print on a computer plus being organized. Benefit - takes a load off crew leaders so they can focus their energy and effort on the project, allows crew leaders to spend more time in the field
>
>
> Are you a good photographer? Great....we'd love someone to take pictures & video for us on a regular basis, that we could post on the crew Facebook page. Yep, PR matters and pretty pictures & video help to recruit new volunteers. I can't count how many times on a crew where I've thought it would be great to get some pictures, but was too busy keeping things organized, or doing a field repair on a balky brush saw, or making sure everyone was being safe, etc to break into the pack to grab the phone / camera to take some pictures. As a saw team leader, I need to focus on keeping the team safe and directing the crew in the cuts, instead of shooting video of the great "release" when that log is finally cut free and bounds down the hill on the carefully placed skids. Your great photo or video may be the one that catches the eye of some strong, young kid and turns them toward volunteerism. Effort level - walk out with the crew and take pictures and
> video. Post work party editing and posting. Benefit - increases number of volunteers joining trail crews.
>
> Tool maintainer. It would be nice to have a person dedicated to maintaining our tools. There's nothing worse than a dull cutting implement. Properly sharpened tools make the dirt workers more effective. Replacing broken handles increases our available tool supply. Effort level - filing, using bench grinder, bench level wood working (handle replacement), painting. Benefit - well maintained tools make a worker more effective in the field - compare chopping a log with a dull axe versus a sharp one.
>
> Here's one right up the alley for some Angles: Host your local trail crew. The Dinsmores just hosted us for a work party we did on June 28-29 at Stevens Pass. It was a rainy weekend, and having a dry place to go back to, relatively close to the trail, was a welcome respite from the rain. Our crew effectiveness was increased measurably as we were able to get 17 people to do both days of this work party - without the camping at the Dinsmores, I KNOW for a fact we wouldn't have had all those people for both days, most would have been only single day volunteers.
>
>
> Mary / Fireweed (and any other Angels that think they're not physical enough to be part of trail crew), in short, pretty much if a person is up and kicking, they can contribute to your local trail crew in some minimally physical to non-physical way that makes the dirt / saw workers far more productive and efficient. If a person can drive hikers to town, they can shuttle a saw team to an entry point. If a person can haul and stock coolers and flip burgers for "magic", they can be the cook / host for a trail crew car camp trip. If they're handy with a computer, they can coordinate and relieve crew leads of paperwork. If they're still able to hike a few miles, they can scout conditions or be a photographer. Each one of these things allows a "dirt" worker to spend that much more time or energy in the dirt and to be more effective.
>
> Mary / Fireweek, I think I've demonstrated multiple ways of how you and anyone else of practically any physical ability level, pretty much CAN be part of your local trail crew and make a huge contribution in this manner even without working "in the dirt". I'll add that from our mid-August and on to September and early October work parties, we get plenty of interaction with the thru hikers here in Washington, so there's that too.
>
>
> Oh, and if a person is even only minimally physical, there often times are many things that you CAN do "in the dirt". For our crew on Friday, we're literally driving to where the trail crosses a road and will start working there. We'll make it in about 1/2 mile, tops, for a daily mileage of a mile.....on pretty much flat ground.....and if someone on the crew can't do much physically, I have a couple of perfect jobs for them where the work is necessary, but not physically demanding......and we're (like all crews) a work at your own pace bunch, with a motto of "break early, break often" with chit chat being encouraged.....and we don't have a production quota.....but if you want to bust your backside with hard physical work, we won't say no to that either - we have a pick-mattock or grub hoe waiting for those folks, and plenty of slough and berm to take care of..
>
>
> Respectfully submitted for your consideration.
>
> Barry
>
> PS - On that driver thing....we're looking at some work parties in future years that where we'll need people to drive our volunteers from North Bend to outside of Darrington (128 miles)......and then pick up the crew in Chelan after they take the boat down from Stehekin and return them to North Bend (151 miles) several days later. We'd like to put in a crew in on the Suiattle River north of Glacier Peak so they can "one way" to Stehekin, performing maintenance as they go. No digging in the dirt required for the volunteer drivers....just driving. Without volunteers willing to be drivers, this crew is logistically impractical. Another such work party that is logistically impractical without dedicated drivers would be a drop off at Hart's Pass, with a pick up at Manning. Or from Rainy Pass / Highway 20 to Stehekin / Chelan. There are several other one way trips that only make sense if we can get drivers to haul the crew from the exit point
> (where they'll meet and park their cars) to the entry point at the beginning of a trip, then the crew works back to their cars. We'd love to have you drive for us Fireweed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net; tokencivilian at yahoo.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:35 AM
>> Subject: Trees Down in Section L
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry talked about trail angels putting more effort into trail work rather than food and drink on the trail. Many trail angels are older people who want to help hikers and cannot do the physical work of trail maintenance. The PCT is evolving as a trail experience, both for those hiking the trail and the larger trail community, which includes people in towns along the way, trail angels who don't hike and those who maintain an interest in reading about the trail. At one time there was no trail tread--then someone had an idea to develop this trail. Now there is trail tread. Some would argue that putting in a trail tread is trail "magic" that is inappropriate to wilderness--you should just go cross country in its most primitive form. And so it goes--water caches, food, rides, etc etc. Each one an escalation of trail magic. I believe it will all self regulate as the trail evolves.I don't reject this evolution because I believe the trail will cease to exist
> if it doesn't evolve along with the interaction of the surrounding trail community--including those who can't do trail work and those who don't hike at all but support the trail. I also use water from caches, believing this is a good part of the trail/community evolution.
>>
>> I hiked my first section of the PCT in 1976. There were trail angels back then, but they didn't call themselves trail angels--they were just good people who wanted to help hikers.I also don't consider evolving forms of trail magic to be somehow violating a kind of trail "purity" that we experienced in the 70's. I say let it evolve--beer,burgers, water, rides.
>>
>> That being said, I do advocate those who physically can to join trail maintenance projects, but realize that the greater group of people who support the trail cannot physically do that kind of work. I don't want them to be shut out of being part of the trail experience. They will help the PCT survive and thrive.
>> --Fireweed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] High Speed Trail Builder
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 8:24:35 PM EDT
> To: "PCT List Forum" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
>
> It's called an excavator mulcher.
>
> Just think how rapidly it could build new trail or clear an existing one
> where blow-down left a mass of pickup sticks.
>
> Just stay a long ways out of its reach!
>
>
>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/07/02/327243804/watch-it-swallow-an-e
> ntire-tree-in-seconds
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] High Speed Trail Builder
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 8:27:16 PM EDT
> To: PCT List Forum <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
>
> it would be really fast, after you graded a road for those tank treads.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net> wrote:
>> It's called an excavator mulcher.
>>
>> Just think how rapidly it could build new trail or clear an existing one
>> where blow-down left a mass of pickup sticks.
>>
>> Just stay a long ways out of its reach!
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/07/02/327243804/watch-it-swallow-an-e
>> ntire-tree-in-seconds
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> From: Jennifer Zuber <jennzuber at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] House/Pet-Sitting Opportunity
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 8:55:46 PM EDT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>
>
> Stay in my home for free in exchange for pet-sitting my German Shorthaired
> Pointer.
>
> I'm a PCT and SHR thru-hiker that's trying to find dog care so I can
> backpack the Hayduke Trail this autumn. This is in a small town just west
> of Spokane, WA. The house is nice and my dog is lovely. The biggest
> requirement for this job is to take her out for her daily excursions. She
> needs tons of exercise. The dates are flexible, but roughly mid August
> through late November. Please email me asap if you're interested as I'm
> trying to figure out this major piece of the planning puzzle! I hope
> there's a win-win out there somewhere. Pass the word!
>
> Thanks so much you guys, Jennifer Spiderwoman Zuber
>
> jennzuber at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> From: walt Durling <durlfam4 at icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Business"...."THE NATURE OF THE BEAST"
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 9:20:22 PM EDT
> To: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
>
> All this discussion about TAs seem to either hint at the point, or to miss it. The PCT is a national scenic trail, so designated. In essence, it's there for the people. I had the privilege of meeting Fireweed several weeks ago in Oregon, and she made what I think is an apt observation: Not only the hikers enjoy the trail, but the communities along its path, and many businesses make a profit from it. If individuals want to contribute in their own way with helping out hikers, who are we to criticize them? It's their contribution to this trail. No one forces anyone to partake of trail magic, whether its a water cache or a bed for overnight, or a ride to and from the trailhead.
>
> IMO, leaving water at select locations, for example, does not somehow make the trail "impure," nor does it detract from the trail "experience." Yes, some hikers foolishly count on caches, but I'm pretty sure even they get religion rather quickly when the cache they thought was there, wasn't. It's pretty difficult to "cheat" by carrying only minimal water and counting on others to get you through. Besides, there are many long stretches along the trail where water is absent and where no one leaves water caches.
>
> As to the trail having to bear too many hikers, I agree that might pose problems, especially where the main body of hikers tend to congregate on the same stretches simply because of the window for thru-hiking. I suppose anything can be loved to death or suffer from overuse. People discover the trail in different ways, and experience it for many different reasons. We should celebrate the trail's success. After all, that's why it's there! I, for one, do not foresee contingency plans to limit the number of hikers, like the JMT. And in spite of the occasional overload on certain sections, the trail does not appear to be suffering. Of course, trail maintenance is critical, and kudos are always in order for those who perform such critical work.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 17:04, Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree about the water caches. They are not needed. None of them. Many
>> people hiked the trail before there were caches and made it. My wife and I
>> were two of them. We never ran out of water. You either learn to carry
>> the water you will need or you got off the trail. The water caches are a
>> luxury. Maybe a little less hand holding in S. Ca will make the
>> thru-hikers more self-reliant and feel less entitled.
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> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trees down in Section L
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 10:29:02 PM EDT
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Reply-To: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
>
>
> As far as the trees down in Section L, I cleared from FR07 to well into the Plumas and nearly all the way to the Middle Fork of the Feather River last year. It was the first time it had been done for a while and it was literly 100's of blowdowns.
>
> It's on my list to work on this year as well, however I chose to do 2 week long trips in early June (Hat Creek Trail Maintenance for one week and a backpacking trip in the Inyo with my aging father the second week). When I got back I tried to fit in a couple log out trips, but heat and dryness have made using chainsaws difficult this year, earlier than in previous years. Some days we can't use them at all and some days we can only work till 1pm because of fire restrictions.
>
> I'm sorry if your impression of a section that I have agreed to clear of blowdowns was sub-par, but I'm hopeful with the rain we just got last night, that we can get some work done now that I'm back from a crosscut saw log-out of the Lassen Volcanic National Park.
>
> Thanks for the intel on the log out needs, and if you have any other information, locations, diameters, etc., please contact me off the list.
>
> Charles Williams
> Pounder's Promise
>
>
>
> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tree down early in Section M
> Date: July 9, 2014 at 10:34:08 PM EDT
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Reply-To: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
>
>
> Thanks for the note about a tree down that might hinder a horseman or horsewoman. I'm copying and pasting my response from another post about blowdowns in the same area. Bottom line...I'll get to it. Hopefully soon.
>
> As far as the trees down in Section L, I cleared from FR07 to well into the Plumas and nearly all the way to the Middle Fork of the Feather River last year. It was the first time it had been done for a while and it was literly 100's of blowdowns.
> It's on my list to work on this year as well, however I chose to do 2 week long trips in early June (Hat Creek Trail Maintenance for one week and a backpacking trip in the Inyo with my aging father the second week). When I got back I tried to fit in a couple log out trips, but heat and dryness have made using chainsaws difficult this year, earlier than in previous years. Some days we can't use them at all and some days we can only work till 1pm because of fire restrictions.
> I'm sorry if your impression of a section that I have agreed to clear of blowdowns was sub-par, but I'm hopeful with the rain we just got last night, that we can get some work done now that I'm back from a crosscut saw log-out of the Lassen Volcanic National Park.
> Thanks for the intel on the log out needs, and if you have any other information, locations, diameters, etc., please contact me off the list.
> Charles Williams
> Pounder's Promise
>
>
>
> From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Limits on the numbers of JMT hikers
> Date: July 10, 2014 at 11:33:51 AM EDT
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>
>
> Just a comment on limited the number of JMT hikers, There is no limit on
> JMT hikers. There is limits on any hikers starting at a most trail heads
> and there is a limit on the number of people exiting at Whitney Portal.
> But that is it. I have heard of many JTM'ers who start at Glacier Point,
> Snow Creek, Tuolumne Meadow or even Mammoth just to get around the entry
> quotas. And if you understand the Whitney permit system you can summit Mt.
> Whitney without going through the lottery. If you are willing to add 30
> miles to the JMT's length you can enter at a trail head with no quota,
> summit Whitney without going through the lottery and exit at Happy Isles.
> Hence, with an open mind, unlimited people can hike the JMT.
>
>
>
>
> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel Fundraising
> Date: July 10, 2014 at 12:49:08 PM EDT
> To: "'Eric Fuller'" <efuller at planhike.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Reply-To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
>
>
> It seems to me Mr. Fuller that you need a reality check. Just exactly what is it you've done to build my confidence, or anyone's, before you made a huge splash all over the internet about your trail angel fund? I have posted this because I don't want people, especially newcomers to the trail angel community, to be hoodwinked.
>
> (1) You've done nothing in the trail community that establishes your own credibility (in fact, the opposite is true).
> (2) You want money to start a trail angel association trail angels did not ask for.
> (3) You have stated your intentions to represent trail angel needs to possible donors, though no one asked you to be our representative.
> (4) You've ignored existing respected fund raising organizations (The Wolverines for trail angels and the PCTA for the trail) and seek to duplicate their efforts rather than support them. No one needs a middle man to take another slice out of already scare fundraising dollars, but you want to nominate yourself to this position.
> (5) Your idea of having trail angels sit on your board to make decisions about which trail angels get money is just insane.
> (6) Everything you have presented is a regurgitation of information available elsewhere, WHICH IS DISCREETLY LOCATED ON PURPOSE!!!
> (7) You are trying to gain money and attention by leveraging the hard work and dedication of trail angels while you yourself have merely created (yet another) resource website -- by posting unauthorized information.
> (8) You are an imitator, not an original. There is already www.planyourhike.com
>
> Get this straight: where and how trail angels announce their location is solely up to them, not you. Some hosts are selective about who and how many hikers they host, and when. Because of the sensitive nature of putting your home address and phone number out there indicating complete strangers can come to your home, trail angels tend to be discreet and post the information in locations only thru-hikers visit. By you putting a trail angel list on the internet and then promoting the crap out of it, you have taken that away, big time. Without permission you have open the doors wide for the non-hiking community to impact the trail angels, and taken away their to control where, how, and how many people know about them. I suspect that some of them do not even know their information is out on the internet already. Trail angels can have big problems with squatters and unwelcomed homeless visitors. And, to rub salt in the wound, you want to pat yourself on the back for that. What you have done is especially unconscionable in light of the onslaught that is coming next year after "Wild" hits the theaters in December.
>
> Others can join forces with you if they wish, but I wanted my opinion to be heard loud and clear so maybe they won't be bamboozled by the bullshit I smell.
>
> Donna Saufley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Fuller [mailto:efuller at planhike.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:10 PM
> To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel Fundraising
>
> Thanks for your vote of confidence Donna! Your not in the list nor does it look like you will be.. No worries.. Your thought are duly noted.. Thank you!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>>
>> I post quite infrequently on this list, but am doing so preemptively today. A fellow named Eric B. Fuller has proposed creating a trail angel fundraising non-profit all over Facebook, and who knows where else. Directly below is my response to Eric’s message. Eric’s message is directly below mine. He has posted this intent in emails and on Facebook. I have posted my response to him everywhere I’ve found his posts. I have also told Eric publicly that I will bring legal action to stop any attempt by him to leverage me or Hiker Heaven in his fund raising efforts. So this is my way of getting word out there that Donna Lynn “L-Rod” Saufley, Floyd Jefferson Saufley, and Hiker Heaven do not endorse or support this fund raising attempt in any way. I would greatly appreciate any information that would indicate that Mr. Fuller ever uses us (our names, images, or references) in any way in his campaign to legitimize his efforts. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Donna “L-Rod” Saufley
>>
>>
>>
>> ***************************
>>
>> Eric:
>>
>>
>>
>> Here’s my $.02:
>>
>>
>>
>> I appreciate your enthusiasm, but frankly I don’t know who you are. You came out of nowhere with a failed record attempt, and have spent more time promoting yourself and trying to develop a non-profit than you have on the trail or in the trail angel community. In fact, you’ve promoted yourself more on your failed attempt than actual successful record holders have about themselves. This puts red flags on the field for me. On your Facebook page you state “ Long Distance Speed Hiker <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Long-Distance-Speed-Hiker/274285892722994> at Pacific Crest Trail <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pacific-Crest-Trail/105616572804764> and Chairman <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chairman-CEO/101256216649658> & CEO at Eric B. Fuller, Inc. <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-B-Fuller-Inc/467010510064112> ” None of this is credible in my opinion. For me it takes time to build trust, and a reputation. I cannot speak for others, but you have not earned this with me personally.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as I know, no one in the trail angel community is asking you to assist or promote them. You should ask trail angels whether they want to be featured on your site or promoted by you. Other sites
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