[pct-l] ULA Relay and GG Murmur
Marcia Powers
gottawalk at me.com
Fri Mar 14 16:43:06 CDT 2014
I don't know the Relay but Diane said it is the same size as my GG Murmur.
The Murmur carries up to 20 pounds. I will carry it on my hike but will switch to a ULA Circuit to carry a bear canister. Right now I plan on switching back to the Murmur when I stop carrying the canister. I have been caring the Murmur on my local hikes with 19+ pounds total. Feels fine.
I have trimmed my gear down significantly. I am going stoveless which saves both weight and volume. I have one each for layering clothing: jog bra, l/s capilene shirt, fleece, light shell and poncho. I wear pants with zip off legs, Tilley, and bandana. I haven't decided on socks but I have one pair of sleeping socks with my sleeping thermals, gloves and sleeping hat. First aid and toiletries fit in one small bag (no soap, tooth paste or tp). Electronics are limited to phone with an external extra battery and a Spot. Sawyer for water.
I watched Glen's video "What's in my pack" at GG many times. I am carrying about the same gear that he has. I worked on food choices for a good ratio of fats/carbs/protein and high calories per ounce of food. I have some, but not a lot of, processed food.
This will be my second solo. I wanted to be MUCH lighter than I was on the ICT!! My food is significantly different, too. Woo hoo, I am excited!
Wishing you the best!
Marcia
www.Trailjournals.com/GottaWalk
On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Micaela Cypher <lupinegirl at yahoo.com> wrote:
hello, I have a ULA Relay backpack. I am concerned that it is too small to hike the whole PCT. Does anyone know this pack? I really really want to use it (It has emotional significance). Advice please?
Thanks, M
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1. Re: Frogg Toggs (Jeffrey Olson)
2. The Trail Show #22 ? The Inman 300 (Paul Magnanti)
3. Wind Shell + Rain Shell (David Harris)
4. Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel canisters
can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy. We
are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be
shipped. Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass (Joe Roth)
5. Re: Frogg Toggs (Terry)
6. Re: Frogg Toggs (JPL)
7. Re: Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel
canisters can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a
copy. We are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to
be shipped. Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass (Paul Bodnar)
8. Re: Frogg Toggs (Terry)
9. Trash (not hiker) (Liam)
10. Re: Trash (not hiker) (JPL)
11. Re: Frogg Toggs (JPL)
12. Re: Trash (not hiker) (Luce Cruz)
13. Re: Trash (not hiker) (Nikki Eddy)
14. Re: Trash (not hiker) (aslive at charter.net)
15. Re: Trash (not hiker) (marmot marmot)
16. Re: Trash (not hiker) (Bob Bankhead)
17. Re: Frogg Toggs (Diane Soini)
18. Re: Frogg Toggs (James F. Miller)
19. Snow Depth Tool on PCTA (Nobohiker)
20. Climate and wather (?shild)
21. Jose Burger (The Incredible Bulk)
22. Re: Snow Depth Tool on PCTA (Terry)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:02:35 -0600
From: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
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http://www.froggtoggswarehouse.com/products/frogg-toggs-ultra-lite2-rain-suit
> On 3/10/2014 10:46 AM, JPL wrote:
> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket! :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching out
> rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a heavier but
> better better built, better insulated jacket.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to
>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection. Happened to me in the
>> windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>>
>> Jeff
>> Rapid City
>>
>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm
>>> adding a
>>> light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras. My strategy is
>>> like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a Frog
>>> Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] The Trail Show #22 ? The Inman 300
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The Trail Show #22 ? The Inman 300
Show #22!! - Today we bring you Show Deuce Deuce - our longest show ever!!!?
We cover a lot of ground in this month's show: we announce The Trail Show 2013 Beer & Brewery of the Year, D-low talks jury duty, we interview Sean Gobins of Warrior Hike, live in studio we have returning guest Liz "Snorkel" Thomas to school us on the Inman 300, we talk fire restrictions on the PCT and review the book "Ultralight Survival Kit" by Justin Lichter and the documentary "Wayfaring" by Scott Herriott. We also do the iTunes Top 5, a mob of Donator shout-outs, Mailbag, and a gear review that will knock yer socks off.
And as always ... Beer O' Da Month (courtesy of the Nash Rambler), Trail News with Mags, Trail O' Da Month (Inman 300), Disco's Trail Tip O' Da Month and Ask-A-Hiker with D-low.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:34:50 -0700
From: David Harris <David_Harris at hmc.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] Wind Shell + Rain Shell
To: hopeforgorilla at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Chris,
I wore an REI synthetic long-sleeve shirt and carried a ~5oz Montbell
synthetic vest and a ~4 oz Zpacks waterproof breathable cuben fiber
rain jacket. I used them all regularly between the Mexican border and
Tahoe and wouldn't have wanted to carry less.
The REI shirt (and their Sahara pants) are favorite items of clothing
now. I've worn the shirt for ~4000 miles and it's still in
close-to-new condition except that I've had to replace some buttons.
It has kept me comfortable in strong winds in all seasons. With those
items and a wide-brimmed hat, I get many weeks out of a 1 oz SPF 50
tube of sunscreen, used just on my nose and the backs of my hands.
The vest and jacket make up my warmth and rain system. Unless I have
a perfectly clear weather forecast through my next stop, I wouldn't
bounce my rain jacket. Both items are light, but together, they are
enough to keep me warm enough while I cook dinner and for the first
hour of hiking on a cold morning before dawn.
David
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:42:41 -0700
From: Joe Roth <jroth2353 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel
canisters can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy.
We are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be shipped.
Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:52:03 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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JPL, I thee answer prayer!
My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the front neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain water running up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. If it's a warm rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me reasonably dry and I not getting cold. The problem with them however is, if it's cold and wet and, you close up the neck area and put bands or Velcro on the sleeves to solve those problems, you end up getting soaked from your own sweat.
For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra weight for the cold and rainy areas of the trail. The heavier jacket can be sealed off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. The jacket also has arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with full length zippered vents on both sides, that can be opened and closed as necessary. Also, because it's a bit heavier, it acts as an insulation layer as well.
To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed.
Terry
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket! :)
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching out rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a heavier but better better built, better insulated jacket.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to
>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection. Happened to me in the
>> windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>>
>> Jeff
>> Rapid City
>>
>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm adding a
>>> light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras. My strategy is like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a Frog
>>> Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>>
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 13:54:49 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Terry" <tsparks56 at aol.com>, "Pct-L at backcountry.net"
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Closer.! :) What exactly is the "heavier jacket"?????? Brand, model...
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:52 PM
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
JPL, I thee answer prayer!
My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the front
neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain water running
up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. If it's a warm
rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me reasonably dry and I
not getting cold. The problem with them however is, if it's cold and wet
and, you close up the neck area and put bands or Velcro on the sleeves to
solve those problems, you end up getting soaked from your own sweat.
For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra weight
for the cold and rainy areas of the trail. The heavier jacket can be sealed
off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. The jacket also has
arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with full length zippered vents
on both sides, that can be opened and closed as necessary. Also, because
it's a bit heavier, it acts as an insulation layer as well.
To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed.
Terry
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket! :)
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching out
> rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a heavier but
> better better built, better insulated jacket.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to
>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection. Happened to me in the
>> windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>>
>> Jeff
>> Rapid City
>>
>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm
>>> adding a
>>> light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras. My strategy is
>>> like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a Frog
>>> Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:01:12 -0400
From: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel
canisters can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy.
We are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be shipped.
Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass
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Somewhere I viewed a list of PCT towns which fuel canisters can be purchaced. Does anyone have it? I would like a copy. We are now packing boxes and need to know if fuel needs to be shipped. Thanks, Hawk and Seaglass
Here is a list I made up and updated from my 2012 Thru Hike. Mileage is approximate. Hopefully other hikers can update the list.
Paul (Tangent)
hikethru.com
1, Campo; Alcohol
43, Mt. Laguna; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas
77, Julian ?
110, Warner Springs; Alcohol
179, Idyllwild; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas
274, Big Bear; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister) at Big 5, white gas
364, Wrightwood; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
455, Agua Dulce; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas (REI side
trip or at Hikerheaven)
559, Mojave; Alcohol
559, Tehachapi; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas
652, Lake Isabella; Alcohol
703, Kennedy Meadows; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas
745, Lone Pine; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas
Bishop; Alcohol, butane/propane(canister), white gas
789, Independence; butane/propane(canister) at both gas stations.
856, Muir Ranch, Alcohol,butane/propane (canister), white gas could be
available in the elaborate hiker
box they have located here. Please don't count on the hiker box for your
resupply. The Muir Ranch has also sold a limited amount of hiking type
supplies including canister fuel to hikers in the past. Remember supplies
here are
limited and vary from day due to day the infrequent stocking of supplies
and isolated location.
877, Vermillion Valley Resort; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
902, Reds Meadow; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
Mammoth; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
942, Tuolumne Meadows; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
1095, Echo Lake; None
1095, South Tahoe; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
1198, Sierra City; Alcohol
1290, Belden; Alcohol
1335, Chester; butane/propane (canister) at hardware/fishing supply
(expensive)
1378, Old Station; Alcohol
1424, Burney Falls State Park; Alcohol
1424, Town of Burney; Alcohol
1506, Castella; Alcohol
1506, Dunsmuir; Alcohol
1506, Mt. Shasta; Alcohol,butane/propane (canister)
1606, Etna; Alcohol (check hardware store for butane/propane (canister) and
possible white gas).
1662, Seiad Valley; Alcohol, butane/propane canisters at stores.
1727, Callahans Lodge; None
1727, Ashland; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
1835, Crater Lake; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
1912, Shelter Cove; Alcohol
1958, Elk Lake Resort; None
1989, Sisters; Alcohol,Bend REI Alcohol/butane/propane (canister), white gas
2107, Timberline Lodge; None
2155, Cascade Locks; Alcohol
Portland; Alcohol, butane/propane(canister), white gas
2303, White Pass; Alcohol, canister (limited supply)
Packwood; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas
2402, Snoqualmie Pass; Alcohol
2476, Skykomish/ Baring/Dinsmores; Alcohol. Dinsmores might have
butane/propane canisters in 2014.
2574, Stehekin; Alcohol, butane/propane (canister), white gas (supplies at
the camp store, along bus
route, can easily run out during peak hiking season)
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 13:46:12 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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JPL,
The jacket I have was made by Mountain Hardware and bought last year on sale at REI. As for the model, I really don't know and it's not all that important anyway. All that needs to be done is to find a jacket that has those features and/or the features you want, there are several brands to choose from.
A couple of features I really like on mine that I haven't mention is the flexible brim incorporated into the hood, kinda like built in visor, that helps keep the drips off my face and out of my eyes. The other item is the 3 water proof, zippered pockets, one chest pocket and two waist pockets.
I believe I paid around $70.00 for the jacket and found it on the sale rack, marked down from $110.00 or so.
I hope that helps answer your questions, of not, feel free to contact me off list.
Terry
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:54 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> Closer.! :) What exactly is the "heavier jacket"?????? Brand, model...
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:52 PM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> JPL, I thee answer prayer!
>
> My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the front neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain water running up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. If it's a warm rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me reasonably dry and I not getting cold. The problem with them however is, if it's cold and wet and, you close up the neck area and put bands or Velcro on the sleeves to solve those problems, you end up getting soaked from your own sweat.
>
> For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra weight for the cold and rainy areas of the trail. The heavier jacket can be sealed off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. The jacket also has arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with full length zippered vents on both sides, that can be opened and closed as necessary. Also, because it's a bit heavier, it acts as an insulation layer as well.
>
> To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed.
>
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>>
>> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket! :)
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>>
>> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching out rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a heavier but better better built, better insulated jacket.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to
>>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection. Happened to me in the
>>> windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Rapid City
>>>
>>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm adding a
>>>> light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras. My strategy is like
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a Frog
>>>> Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:54:07 -0400
From: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created by food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue that will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile dump in your bag.
Thanks!
Liam
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:57:23 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: "Liam" <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Big zip lock bag. Squash the air out of it. Make sure to hang it with your
bear bag, or put it in your canister.
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Subject: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created by
food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue that
will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile dump in
your bag.
Thanks!
Liam
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:08:43 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
To: "Terry" <tsparks56 at aol.com>, "Pct-L at backcountry.net"
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ok, good; I actually have a Mountain Hardware jacket that I like. Thanks
for the details; very helpful.
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From: Terry
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 4:46 PM
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
JPL,
The jacket I have was made by Mountain Hardware and bought last year on sale
at REI. As for the model, I really don't know and it's not all that
important anyway. All that needs to be done is to find a jacket that has
those features and/or the features you want, there are several brands to
choose from.
A couple of features I really like on mine that I haven't mention is the
flexible brim incorporated into the hood, kinda like built in visor, that
helps keep the drips off my face and out of my eyes. The other item is the 3
water proof, zippered pockets, one chest pocket and two waist pockets.
I believe I paid around $70.00 for the jacket and found it on the sale rack,
marked down from $110.00 or so.
I hope that helps answer your questions, of not, feel free to contact me off
list.
Terry
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> On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:54 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> Closer.! :) What exactly is the "heavier jacket"?????? Brand, model...
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:52 PM
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>
> JPL, I thee answer prayer!
>
> My experience has been, the Frogg Toggs seem to always leak around the
> front neck/upper chest and because I use trekking poles, I get rain water
> running up my sleeves to my elbows after a short amount of time. If it's a
> warm rain, it doesn't really matter because it does keep me reasonably dry
> and I not getting cold. The problem with them however is, if it's cold and
> wet and, you close up the neck area and put bands or Velcro on the sleeves
> to solve those problems, you end up getting soaked from your own sweat.
>
> For me anyway, the trade off to the heavier jacket is worth the extra
> weight for the cold and rainy areas of the trail. The heavier jacket can
> be sealed off much better around the upper chest and the sleeves. The
> jacket also has arm pit vents that can be opened up, along with full
> length zippered vents on both sides, that can be opened and closed as
> necessary. Also, because it's a bit heavier, it acts as an insulation
> layer as well.
>
> To me, the trade off is worth the extra weight when it's needed.
>
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>>
>> And what, pray thee tell, is that wonderful jacket! :)
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Terry
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:34 AM
>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
>>
>> That's a good point Jeffery and the biggest reason why I'm switching out
>> rain jackets at Cascade Locks. For Washington, I will have a heavier but
>> better better built, better insulated jacket.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson60 at centurylink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Be aware that FroggTogg jackets are short and it is easy for water to
>>> leech under the jacket and soak your midsection. Happened to me in the
>>> windy/rainy/foggy Goat Rocks and contributed to near hypothermia...
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Rapid City
>>>
>>>> I'm following the strategy you mention below with one wrinkle - I'm
>>>> adding a
>>>> light rain shell for the highest parts of the Sierras. My strategy is
>>>> like
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> I'm carrying just a wind shirt to Kennedy Meadows where I'll add a
>>>> Frog
>>>> Togg's rain shell (5.7 oz & VERY inexpensive).
>>>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:22:12 -0700
From: Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
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I use the Mountain House bags after I'm done with the meals. They are good
strong zip top bags.
Luce Cruz
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:03:18 -0700
From: Nikki Eddy <nikkieddy at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I use doggy poop bags for most of my garbage...they're biodegradable and I can pack a lot in a little bit of space! :)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created by food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue that will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile dump in your bag.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Liam
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: aslive at charter.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
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Pack it in, pack it out.
Shepherd
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Liam wrote:
>
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage
> created by food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the
> food residue that will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and
> not have a mobile dump in your bag.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Liam
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:15:14 -0700
From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: Liam <liamcameron90 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Most likely you won't have any cardboard It's only ziplocks you will have to take out. One big bag hold all
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> On Mar 10, 2014, at 1:54 PM, "Liam" <liamcameron90 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wondering if anyone has any good tips on how to keep the garbage created by food (plastic wrappers, carboard boxes) many worry is the food residue that will be spoiling on it so how to contain this and not have a mobile dump in your bag.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Liam
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:26:52 -0700
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trash (not hiker)
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I use the 12.5 x 20 inch odor-proof bags from Loksack.
I discard the used bag with the trash it contains when I reach my re-supply
spot.
I put a fresh bag for the next leg in every re-supply box.
I've had Yosemite bears walk right past them in the night and never know
they were there.
Caveat: no matter what trash container I may use, I save the really smelly
packaging (like tuna in foil packs) for the last day or two of the leg.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:09:45 -0700
From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
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In my opinion and experience, a rain jacket is better than a wind shirt because a rain jacket does both. But get a cheap rain jacket. A frogg toggs will work on the PCT since it's not very overgrown. You can patch it with duct tape or buy another. They're pretty cheap. Even better is the Z-packs cuben fiber rain jacket. It's very comfortable, not sweaty and a lot more durable than a frogg toggs. Don't get a fashionable thing from REI. That's just too heavy. You may get rain in So Cal and if you do, it carries the possibility of being the worst kind of rain, the kind that causes hypothermia. That said, I've survived in So Cal without a rain jacket, with just a polycryo ground sheet and grim determination and 30 mile days. Ha ha. Best trip ever!
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> Frogg Toggs
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:55:02 -0700
From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Frogg Toggs
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Poncho.
Rain Poncho.
Its all you need for the entire trail...for rain gear that is.
Bigfoot Jim
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Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com> wrote:
In my opinion and experience, a rain jacket is better than a wind shirt because a rain jacket does both. But get a cheap rain jacket. A frogg toggs will work on the PCT since it's not very overgrown. You can patch it with duct tape or buy another. They're pretty cheap. Even better is the Z-packs cuben fiber rain jacket. It's very comfortable, not sweaty and a lot more durable than a frogg toggs. Don't get a fashionable thing from REI. That's just too heavy. You may get rain in So Cal and if you do, it carries the possibility of being the worst kind of rain, the kind that causes hypothermia. That said, I've survived in So Cal without a rain jacket, with just a polycryo ground sheet and grim determination and 30 mile days. Ha ha. Best trip ever!
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> Frogg Toggs
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:16:28 -0700
From: Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Snow Depth Tool on PCTA
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Hi there,
I am thinking about a section hike in SoCal later this month. Getting on
the PCT would take me to the top of Mt San Jacinto first and since the
elevation is 10,833' / 3,302m and they had a snow storm coming through
last week, I am obviously concerned about snow depth/ice. So I checked
every other day or so on the pcta.org website for snow depth. After the
storm, the tool made sense as it was showing snow above 7000isch ft.
Then, every other day or so, the snow line was moving up...then
recently, no snow was reported at all, which does not make sense.
So I pinged the local hiker community and sure enough there still is
plenty of snow up there, patches around 7500 increasing with elevation.
So heads up for all of you out there to be careful with that tool. This
probably can be said about all tools and forecasts...
Happy Trails,
Section Hiker Rick
My planned route:
https://goo.gl/maps/GQbam
Link to the local Hikers:
http://www.mtsanjacinto.info
Snow Depth Tool on PCTA:
http://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/maps-and-guidebooks/
then select "Snow Depth"
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:12:50 +0000
From: ?shild <aashildkap at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Climate and wather
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hi
I?m looking for statistics of climate/weather at the different
areas along the trail, like mean temperature, number of days below 32F, snow levels, rain etc.
Any recommendation?
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:48:20 -0400
From: The Incredible Bulk <ki6asp at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Jose Burger
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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The 2005 class DVD has a photo of the Jose Burger in all its luscious
goodness, in case you want to see what to expect. I am jonesing for one
now.
The Incredible Bulk
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:42:41 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Depth Tool on PCTA
To: Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The way things are going in So. Cal, that report will be 100% correct before we know it. There is no rain in the 10 day forecast and we have another round of Santa Ana Winds due to arrive on Friday, with temps at and above 80* predicted. So Cal is screwed this year for rain and water as, normally our biggest rain storms happen before the 3 rd week of March and we are already there, without rain in the 10 day forecast.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Nobohiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am thinking about a section hike in SoCal later this month. Getting on
> the PCT would take me to the top of Mt San Jacinto first and since the
> elevation is 10,833' / 3,302m and they had a snow storm coming through
> last week, I am obviously concerned about snow depth/ice. So I checked
> every other day or so on the pcta.org website for snow depth. After the
> storm, the tool made sense as it was showing snow above 7000isch ft.
> Then, every other day or so, the snow line was moving up...then
> recently, no snow was reported at all, which does not make sense.
> So I pinged the local hiker community and sure enough there still is
> plenty of snow up there, patches around 7500 increasing with elevation.
>
> So heads up for all of you out there to be careful with that tool. This
> probably can be said about all tools and forecasts...
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Section Hiker Rick
>
>
>
> My planned route:
> https://goo.gl/maps/GQbam
>
> Link to the local Hikers:
> http://www.mtsanjacinto.info
>
> Snow Depth Tool on PCTA:
> http://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/maps-and-guidebooks/
> then select "Snow Depth"
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