[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 87, Issue 7
MELODY NICHOLS
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> 1. Sandals (lisaperu2011)
> 2. Re: Fuller ridge and Baden Powell (David Money Harris)
> 3. Re: Fuller ridge and Baden Powell (Gail Van Velzer)
> 4. Re: PCTA Statement on Water Caches (Gail Van Velzer)
> 5. Sandals (Sid Everton)
> 6. Umbrellas (Jake Petterson)
> 7. Re: Umbrellas (Brian Watt)
> 8. Re: Umbrellas (walt Durling)
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> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:10:37 -0800
> From: lisaperu2011 <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I thru hiked the PCT in 2012 in sandals. I have done an additional 2000 miles in sandals since then. I will thru the CDT in them this year (hopefully!). The exception is anywhere I expect deep snow, where I will carry light boots and traction for passes and such.
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> 1. PCTA Statement on water caches (Sid Everton)
> 2. Re: PCTA Statement on water caches (Scott Bryce)
> 3. PCTA Statement on Water Caches (Sid Everton)
> 4. Re: PCTA Statement on Water Caches (Scott Bryce)
> 5. PCTA Statement on Water Caches (Sid Everton)
> 6. Re: PCTA Statement on Water Caches (Scott Bryce)
> 7. PCTA statement on Water Caches (Sid Everton)
> 8. Re: PCTA statement on Water Caches (Scott Bryce)
> 9. Sandals (Sid Everton)
> 10. Fuller ridge and Baden Powell (marmot marmot)
> 11. Sandals (Nathan Dreon)
> 12. Campsite evidence (trail debris) (Douglas Tow)
> 13. Re: PCTA Statement on Water Caches (Joe Roth)
> 14. Re: Trail Debris (Joe Roth)
> 15. Re: Sandals (Scott Williams)
> 16. Tarp Donation to 2015 Thru-hiker (Jim Bravo)
> 17. Re: Sandals (Stephen Adams)
> 18. Tarp Donation to 2015 Thru-hiker (Jim Bravo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 18:06:39 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on water caches
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> I am going to hick the 2015 PCT. I am going to plan not to rely on caches! That being said.? I look at things if there is? problem there is a solution! Seems to me this is such an easy solution. Ok, Where the trails meet the road on the PCT where these caches are, it is county, state or federal land. Any where I have ever lived it is against the law to litter on their land. From the pictures I have seen of these caches would be called litter! Ok, So the PCTA finds out who's land it is. Talk to the the proper law enforcement agency in that area and tell them PCTA concern. Now if they don't care then that is another story! So you get them aboard. So they say they don't have the resource? So the PCTA makes up a sign to put at the trail head leading to the cashes, how it is against the law to dump on this land and it is a fine of up to $5,000(wording?)! If they still do it the PCTA could put up some kind of wireless security camera to get the license plate of their vehicle and pi
> ctures of them.? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? I want to look at the other side. Who the heck are yall to tell people how they should give of their hearts!!!! People give for all different causes for all different reasons! You think you know their life better than they do!! One of the reasons that comes to my mind of the caches is maybe this person lost a loved one walking from south of the border, maybe in this area years earlier? I would think most people that give from the heart, they have a story that relates to that cause?? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:32:12 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on water caches
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>> On 3/5/2015 11:06 AM, Sid Everton wrote:
>> Ok, Where the trails meet the road on the PCT where these caches are,
>> it is county, state or federal land. Any where I have ever lived it
>> is against the law to litter on their land. From the pictures I have
>> seen of these caches would be called litter!
>
> Actually, most of the caches are set up in such a way as to minimize the
> litter they cause.
>
>> Ok, So the PCTA finds out who's land it is. Talk to the the proper
>> law enforcement agency in that area and tell them PCTA concern. Now
>> if they don't care then that is another story!
>
> In some cases, where the problem of waterless stretches has been brought
> to the attention of the land managers, the solution proposed by the land
> manager is to establish water caches.
>
>> So they say they don't have the resource?
>
> Which is why they suggest water caches.
>
>> If they still do it the PCTA could put up some kind of wireless
>> security camera to get the license plate of their vehicle and
>> pictures of them.
>
> It is pretty well known who is maintaining the caches. This isn't about
> trying to catch litterers. This is about discouraging well meaning
> people from provided what many consider to be dubious help to hikers.
>
>> I want to look at the other side. Who the heck are yall to tell
>> people how they should give of their hearts!!!!
>
> You really need to read a book entitled Toxic Charity.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 19:12:38 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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> Scott seams like your saying you have all the solutions? Organized litter? Then I guess I don't understand the complaining, or the the complaining about the complaining? I don't have the book Toxic Charity in front of me. Would like to tell me how it relates to the PCT water caches and what I said that was WRONG? If you know who is doing the caches? Do you think complaining about it on here is discouraging them? What all I have read about water on the PCT is don't rely on them! So why put them down as water sources? Seams to that encourages hikers to depend on caches more! Because if they were not written down I would not know about them! So I would have to plan! I did ask a question about my hike through Warner Springs and no one responded! That would help my planing. However there are what 15 post about water cache.
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> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:00:39 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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>> On 3/5/2015 12:12 PM, Sid Everton wrote:
>> I don't have the book Toxic Charity in front of me. Would like to
>> tell me how it relates to the PCT water caches
>
> In short, helping people in need by giving them what you and they think
> they need nearly always makes their situation worse. And THAT is the
> real problem with water caches on the trail.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 20:14:54 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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> You are proving my question! Why are they written down anywhere? Because if they were not advertized, I would not need them? When you advertize something you are going to get people to want it! So I am thinking now it is half-mile maps fault? And where ever else it is advertized for the caches! Because if hikers didn't know about them, then they would carry enough water? Then the people doing the caches might not do them after not much water was used? How many hikers try to drop pack weight because a water cache is advertized? What percentage? I don't know but what part does the PCTA have in advertizing caches?
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> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:30:56 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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>> On 3/5/2015 1:14 PM, Sid Everton wrote:
>> what part does the PCTA have in advertizing caches?
>
> The PCTA does not promote the caches.
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> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 20:43:44 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCTA statement on Water Caches
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> My last comment on the subject. The PCTA advertizes the half-mile maps, therefore does the PCTA advertize water caches? In my opinion YES!!! How else would I know about caches unless I got the info off PCTA website? There are probable other places but I got my info off PCTA websight!!!
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> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:51:15 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA statement on Water Caches
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>> On 3/5/2015 1:43 PM, Sid Everton wrote:
>> The PCTA advertizes the half-mile maps, therefore does the PCTA
>> advertize water caches? In my opinion YES!!!
>
>
> It gets worse than that. The PCTA promotes the trail, and the caches are
> visible along the trail!
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Sandals
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> Has any body hiked in sandals for any distance I have heard of some say they saw people. I was just wanting to find out first hand(foot).
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 15:23:21 -0800
> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> To: "pct-l @backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fuller ridge and Baden Powell
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> Could anyone who has been up in these areas this week let me know how much snow there is
> Marmot
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 23:39:12 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Nathan Dreon <ndreon at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Sandals
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> http://zpacks.com/about/pct_gear.shtml
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> "I hiked in sandals the entire trip."--Samurai Joe?You can find his email address on the web site.
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:06:40 -0800
> From: Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Campsite evidence (trail debris)
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> I love sitting and sleeping comfortably, and found myself drawn to those
> trail-proximate campsites created by hikers and campers, as they often had
> stumps and limbs rearranged for sitting, and flat spots perfect for tents,
> many of which had been engineered for that purpose.
>
> They are almost irresistible.
>
> I try here to make a case for hikers to resist these places. The PCTA and
> the bodies overseeing the lands that the PCT travels across all spend time
> and money both advocating against them, and converting them back to a
> natural condition.
>
> 1. If it looks man-made, stay away (public developed campsites and
> campgrounds excepted).
> 2. If it looks other than naturally occurring after you camp there, you
> either should not have camped there, or you altered the site.
> 3. Referencing #2 above, avoid moving anything, digging or scraping, or
> camping on living things. Grasses and mosses beckon, but it doesn't take
> too many folks to destroy what may take years to recover.
> 4. Any fires that contact the ground violate these principles.
> 5. If you need a fire for warmth, you are not properly equipped, or do not
> know how to manage in adverse conditions. If you built a fire to protect
> yourself or someone else from hypothermia, no one will tell you that you
> shouldn't have, but that doesn't mean that you hiked responsibly. Finally,
> if you think that fire is your backstop against hypothermia, ask your next
> of kin to invite me to your wake.
>
> Best to all in the 2015 season,
>
> Chipmunk
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:57:38 -0800
> From: Joe Roth <jroth2353 at gmail.com>
> To: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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> The bicycle spring near mile 348 is not flowing now. Some green skum water
> remains in the concrete tank though.
>
>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2015 1:14 PM, Sid Everton wrote:
>>>
>>> what part does the PCTA have in advertizing caches?
>>
>> The PCTA does not promote the caches.
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> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:02:11 -0800
> From: Joe Roth <jroth2353 at gmail.com>
> To: Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Debris
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> Seaglass and Hawk (me) are hiking the PCT now section d and see very
> little trash even at road crossings. Yes, we do pick others trash up on
> occasion.
>
>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015, Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> More than that. It's the blight that is caused by the fire in the ring.
>> That's why you are supposed to use rings that are already existing, if a
>> fire is allowed at the time.
>> Golly
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>>
>>> On 03/04/15, Brick Robbins wrote:
>>>
>>> What makes a fire ring illegal?
>>> *******************************************
>>>
>>> The illegal fire that was in it? And hopefully stayed in it.
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> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:33:02 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sandals
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> I haven't hiked in sandals, but have met a number of people who have hiked
> thru hikes in boots, sandals, Crocs, and even barefooted. What I've heard
> from those in sandals is that it requires a new way of walking with even
> more focus on foot placement so as not to stub the front of your toes as
> you hike along. This is probably a healthy and more basically human way to
> walk anyway, as we obviously were more careful with foot placement for many
> thousands of years barefoot before we started making sandals. Another
> thing folks talk about is the need to shake out sand and pebbles as they
> hike along. Both of those are relatively small fry, however, for hiking in
> footgear that you really love. The vast majority of people use trail
> runners however as they are lightweight and still provide some protection
> for your feet.
>
> If you're a sandals kind of guy, give it a shot, but have some shoes as
> backup ready to be mailed to trail if you find yourself not comfortable
> with your initial choice. But you're in good company, plenty of folks hike
> in sandals, but walk softly, and with deliberation when you start.
>
> Shroomer
>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has any body hiked in sandals for any distance I have heard of some say
>> they saw people. I was just wanting to find out first hand(foot).
>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 21:43:22 -0800
> From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT Forum <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tarp Donation to 2015 Thru-hiker
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> 8 x 10 Equinox silnylon tarp offered to a 2015 thru-hiker. I'll pay
> shipping to lower 48. Purchased in 2010 and is like new. One caveat, this
> is not a tent and requires a higher level of backcountry knowledge and
> skill. Send me an email off list, preferably with the assurance that you
> know how to use it.
>
> Bravo
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 07:37:59 -0800
> From: Stephen Adams <reddirt23 at att.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sandals
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> Lots of pros and cons regarding hiking in sandals. I have often hiked with both my shoes and bring my sandals along for a little breather. Last time I hiked in sandals my feet got some painful cracks, and it gets worse as trail dirt infects the open bleeding sores etc... By the end of that day it was getting very painful to walk. Have also got a couple pretty good scrapes from sticks getting jammed into my foot. Another problem I have encountered has been some tendon soreness after a couple hours hiking in sandals. This is probably with regards to having a different muscle tendon stress compared to shoes, but I have experienced the issue on several occasions. Water crossings... I'd much rather have my shoes on for protection. Have had sandals do all sorts of weird things in very cold rocky creeks.
> If it were me, I would do some serious testing before heading out on a multi day hike with just sandals. Just saying.
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 09:17:02 -0800
> From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT Forum <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tarp Donation to 2015 Thru-hiker
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> The tarp has found a good home.
>
> sent from my Samsung Galaxy 3
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:19:28 -0800
> From: David Money Harris <David_Harris at hmc.edu>
> To: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fuller ridge and Baden Powell
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> I have not been up there personally this season, but plenty of snow is visible on Baldy?s south face right now from my house after the past two recent storms. The north side of Baden-Powell normally holds a lot more snow than the south face of Baldy. For example, when the UCLA hikers had to be rescued from the Baden-Powell ridge last month, almost no snow was left on Baldy.
>
> My best guess would be that conditions on Baden-Powell are very interesting right now with a good amount of fresh snow. The main question is how well the snow has consolidated in the warm weather we?ve been having yesterday and today.
>
> Fuller Ridge can expect similar significant snow.
>
> I?d carry both snowshoes and crampons if I were going up right now, and hope that the snow has consolidated well enough for the crampons to suffice.
>
> David
>
> -
> Could anyone who has been up in these areas this week let me know how much snow there is
> Marmot
>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:23:27 -0800
> From: "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net>
> To: "David Money Harris" <David_Harris at hmc.edu>,
> <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fuller ridge and Baden Powell
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> We are also supposed to be getting more rain early next week.
> golly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Money Harris" <David_Harris at hmc.edu>
> To: <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fuller ridge and Baden Powell
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>
>> I have not been up there personally this season, but plenty of snow is
>> visible on Baldy?s south face right now from my house after the past two
>> recent storms. The north side of Baden-Powell normally holds a lot more
>> snow than the south face of Baldy. For example, when the UCLA hikers had
>> to be rescued from the Baden-Powell ridge last month, almost no snow was
>> left on Baldy.
>>
>> My best guess would be that conditions on Baden-Powell are very
>> interesting right now with a good amount of fresh snow. The main question
>> is how well the snow has consolidated in the warm weather we?ve been
>> having yesterday and today.
>>
>> Fuller Ridge can expect similar significant snow.
>>
>> I?d carry both snowshoes and crampons if I were going up right now, and
>> hope that the snow has consolidated well enough for the crampons to
>> suffice.
>>
>> David
>>
>> -
>> Could anyone who has been up in these areas this week let me know how much
>> snow there is
>> Marmot
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:23:59 -0800
> From: "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net>
> To: "Joe Roth" <jroth2353 at gmail.com>, "Scott Bryce"
> <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
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> There hasn't been water in there for several years now.
> Golly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Scott Bryce" <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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>
>> The bicycle spring near mile 348 is not flowing now. Some green skum water
>> remains in the concrete tank though.
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/5/2015 1:14 PM, Sid Everton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> what part does the PCTA have in advertizing caches?
>>>
>>> The PCTA does not promote the caches.
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> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 20:47:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Sid Everton <sid_everton at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Do you a specific brand? Back strap or not? (rubbing) I was looking at Keen Waimbea H2, They have a front toe guard.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 11:08:13 -0500
> From: Jake Petterson <jpp2135 at columbia.edu>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Umbrellas
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> Does anyone have experience with this umbrella for sun protection in the
> desert?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/UV-Blocker-UV-Protection-Compact-Umbrella/dp/B0076OX4GK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425744302&sr=8-1&keywords=uv+umbrella
>
> Or have any other recommended umbrellas?
>
> I've been having trouble finding the GoLite one that people have
> recommended.
>
> Thanks!
> Jake
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2015 11:09:46 -0600
> From: Brian Watt <bwatt at 1fifoto.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Umbrellas
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> Jake,
>
> And then there is Gossamer Gear's Chrome Umbrella. See:
> http://gossamergear.com/chrome-umbrella.html. If I had a choice I would
> support a hiking gear company. However, their website says it is out of
> stock, sorry, but it is kind late in the run-up to the PCT hiking season
> to acquire equipment.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tartan PCT 2014
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:12:48 -0500
> From: walt Durling <durlfam4 at icloud.com>
> To: Jake Petterson <jpp2135 at columbia.edu>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Umbrellas
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> Hi Jake. Nope. Two things stand out. First, it doesn't state that it's reinforced, and second, it weighs 18 oz, a bit high it seems.
>
> If you can't find a golite or similar, go to campmor and plug in "euroschirm" in the search window. This is a German company with an office in Atlanta. They make a couple of excellent trekking umbrellas. One is the Light Trek, the other is the Swing Trek. I have the latter. It weighs about 11 ozs. I bought it directly from the company with attachment loops for hands-free hiking. It works very well. But you can fashion some short elastic tie down loops to your shoulder strap and hip belt and would be good to go. I just looked and they have a silver one in stock for $53. walt
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 11:08, Jake Petterson <jpp2135 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with this umbrella for sun protection in the
>> desert?
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/UV-Blocker-UV-Protection-Compact-Umbrella/dp/B0076OX4GK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425744302&sr=8-1&keywords=uv+umbrella
>>
>> Or have any other recommended umbrellas?
>>
>> I've been having trouble finding the GoLite one that people have
>> recommended.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jake
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