[pct-l] Any local Seattle folks?
rosiesbirds at gmail.com
rosiesbirds at gmail.com
Wed Feb 24 16:58:10 CST 2016
Hi again-
Anyone in Seattle heading for a through hike this spring want to meet up and compare notes? My partner and I are leaving beginning of May, first time, would love someone to bounce ideas back and forth with :)
We're in the Madrona neighborhood. Both late 20's, avid hikers but newbies to long through-hiking (our longest was 100 miles last summer). Just looking for friends!
Best,
Lylli
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> 1. Packing for fears (Alli)
> 2. Re: Opinion on shoes (Luce Cruz)
> 3. Vegan thru-hikes (River Malcolm)
> 4. Re: Packing for fears (Scott Bryce)
> 5. Starting mileage? (Barry Teschlog)
> 6. Re: Opinion on shoes (James Vesely)
> 7. Re: Packing for fears (James Vesely)
> 8. Re: question anybody have a preference, a cuben fiber rain
> kilt from Zpack or a pair of ultra light rain pants .?? (Tim Umstead)
> 9. Re: Starting mileage? (Tim Umstead)
> 10. The future of the PCT-L (Tim Umstead)
> 11. Bear Spray /// Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 98, Issue 21 (Tim Umstead)
> 12. Re: Opinion on shoes (John Casterline)
> 13. Re: Opinion on shoes (gary_schenk at verizon.net)
> 14. Re: Packing for fears (Jerry Nicholson)
> 15. Fears on the trail (marmot marmot)
> 16. Fwd: You're invited to 3rd Annual Cascade Winter Ruck
> (Backpacking Clinic) (Feb 27, 2016 - Feb 28, 2016) (marmot marmot)
> 17. Starting mileage (Ellen Shopes)
> 18. Re: Opinion on shoes (Robert McAllister)
> 19. Rain Kilts vs Rain Pants (Sean Nordeen)
> 20. Fuller Ridge to I 10 (Greg Fleming)
> 21. Re: Packing for fears (Peter Necarsulmer)
> 22. Fuller Ridge to I 10 (Dan C. aka Thumper)
> 23. Getting lost (Mikayla Nichols)
> 24. After falling (danielcthornburg at gmail.com)
> 25. Beginning mileage (Andrew Foss)
> 26. advice about my hike (Travis Polon)
> 27. Re: Getting lost (Brick Robbins)
> 28. PCT staying in touch (Gregory Farris)
> 29. Re: Getting lost (TBrokaw at montmush.com)
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:18:47 -0800
> From: Alli <fitzalli at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Let's not be jerks. Packing bear spray does not make you a coward nor does
> it make you unintelligent. People have a right to different gear choices
> and if you disagree then keep it to yourself and HYOH.
>
> We all have different trail experiences and can offer different advice to
> beginners, but we need to be mindful of the fact that there is no one size
> fits all strategy to having a safe and enjoyable PCT experience.
>
> <3 Alpaca
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:23:52 -0700
> From: Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Opinion on shoes
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> For some damned reason that I just cannot put my finger (or foot! ;-) on,
> as much as I like the feel, fit, and ventilation of the Merrell Moab
> Ventilator shoes, especially since they can be had in a size 15, they cause
> my plantar fasciitis to flare up.
>
> If anyone has any leads on why this happens, I'd sure like to hear them.
>
> When I wear my New Balance minimalist shoes, no pain. None.
>
> --
> Luce Cruz
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:25:48 -0800
> From: River Malcolm <rivermary at centurylink.net>
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Vegan thru-hikes
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> What a beautiful offer Candace.
> Picturing the vegan trail angels of Big Bear City makes me smile,
> though not a vegan myself nor hiking in the south this year.
> Thanks for the happiness, always love to see the joy angels get from
> helping others, its the side of our species I hope will prevail.
> River
> On Tue, Feb 23, at Feb 23 10:00, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
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>> Trail towns are usually where thru-hikers get to eat expansive,
>> calorie-laden meals at local eateries. Unfortunately for vegans, there just
>> aren't as many opportunities to do that. My husband and I are located in
>> Big Bear City and are vegans ourselves (and prospective thru-hikers) so we
>> would like to help out with some trail town vegan food that can satisfy a
>> thru-hiker's hunger.
>>
>> We can also offer a place to crash, rides to/from the trailhead/PO,
>> showers, and laundry. We hosted a handful of wonderful people last year and
>> are looking forward to helping out again this year.
>>
>> Please email me directly if you are interested!
>>
>> Candace Frederick
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:27:45 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Packing for fears
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> On 2/23/2016 11:18 AM, Alli wrote:
>> Let's not be jerks. Packing bear spray does not make you a coward nor
>> does it make you unintelligent. People have a right to different gear
>> choices and if you disagree then keep it to yourself and HYOH.
>
> I think you misunderstood.
>
> "We pack for our fears" is a common phrase used here. We fear freezing
> at night, so we pack a sleeping bag. We fear starving, so we pack food.
> We fear being rained on, so we pack a shelter. If you fear slipping in
> the snow, you pack traction devices.
>
> If you had gone through my gear, you would have concluded that I feared
> sunburn, chapped lips, poison ivy, callouses on my heels and my
> fingernails growing too long.
>
> It is what we all do. And it determines our pack weight.
>
> It isn't an insult. It is just an observation.
>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> To: "PCT L." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Starting mileage?
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> Chriswrote:? I'm sure this has been answered a hundredtimes before, and of course,everyoneis different, but what kind of mileage/speed do people usuallystartoff with to insure less chance of injury? My wife and I are in decentbasecondition, but obviously that's not much compared to a thru-hiker 2monthsdown the trail. Furthermore, we're 35, so while not up there by anymeans,we're not spring chickens anymore, either. We run frequently and dolongwalks in the city, but we have no access to mountains or realelevation;the best we can do is go up and down the steepest hills in thecityover and over.? Any thoughts and advice would be greatlywelcome!???Reply:? I was in my mid 30?swhen I thru hiked, so you may find my experience relevant.? I?d highly recommendbeing in well enough shape to pull a 20 right out of the gate.? Note, that is ?a? 20, not sustained 20?s.? I?d highly recommend an overall more modest pace forthe first several weeks with copious zeros.?Train with weight, even if y
> ou don?t have lots of elevation to workwith. ?Be creative ? parking structureshave ramps, look for big stair cases you can do repeats on with a fully loadedpack.? Squats will help strengthen theleg muscles, etc.? Don?t underestimatethe benefit of the hill?s you?re using.
> On the "a" 20 mile day early:? There are places and times when it is hugely advantageous to be able to push one long day to get through a longer waterless section.? Being able to avoid carrying 2-3 liters of extra water for an overnight stay will save you 4-6 pounds.
> ?Here?s an outline ofwhat I did once I pushed off from the border.?I still ended up with blisters (dealt with them the first 4-5 weeks), butavoided overuse injury.? Day 1 I pushedthrough to Lk Morena.? I took a leisurely morning the next day and only went to Fred Canyon on day 2, then to Mt. Laguna onday 3.? So about a 20, 12 and 11 mile dayfor the first 3.? I then took a doublezero (KO) before pushing on to Warner over 4 days (15, 20, 23, 8 mile days).? Another zero in Warner.? I pushed too hard heading out of WarnerSprings (21.5, 20, I wasn?t really ready for back to back 20?s with a full load of food / water) so went into Idyllwildfor an unplanned zero via the highway.? Iwent back to Idyllwild for the planned zero after a 15 to Fobes Saddle, then12.3 to the Slide trail.5 days from Idyllwildgot me to Big Bear and another zero.?(See the pattern on those zeros?)? 5 more days toWrightwood and another zero.? Note that Idid a 26.7 mile day first day out of Big Bear, but it just
> came naturally, Ididn?t push ? followed that with a 20, 24, 16 (included the McD stop) then 18in to Wrightwood.Another zero in AguaDulce (actually a double zero, this was back in '06 before Hiker Heaven had to clamp down on stay length) and a zero in Mojave.?Lk Isabella was the first town stop without a zero.? I zeroed at KM to get my stuff togetherbefore the High Sierra.? By then, I wasin good trail shape, fully hardened.
> Bottom line:? Zero early, zero often when first starting out.? Keep the big mile days in check - if you do one, don't try and do another the next day if you can help it, especially if you're carrying lots of water.? Plan smart.? Let the big miles come naturally - that first 26 mile day for me happened when I hit my 20 mile goal and it was only 3 in the afternoon, pushing the extra 6 was easy over 3-4 additional hours.? Listen to your body and take more zeros if you have to.? Don't try and keep up with the early 20-somethings, just walk your own pace.? During the day - start early to beat the heat.? I did a pre-dawn start for the San Flieppe Hills and got in 7-9 miles before the sun hit me.? Take plenty of rest breaks, every hour and a half for me.? Drink sufficient water.? Try and avoid hiking in the heat of mid day - hole up at shade and water if possible from 1 or so until 4 or 5.
> Of the day's I did over 25 and 30 miles, respectively.? None were in the few days I hiked in April.? I did 1 30 plus and 1 25 plus mile day in May.? None in June (high snow year in '06).? 4 25+ mile days in July.? 3 days of 30 plus in August with another 9 25 plus (Nor Cal and Oregon go quick). and 5 25 plus mile days in September.
>
> Enjoy the hike.? Hope to run into you up here in Washington in August or September.
> TC2006
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:32:31 +0000
> From: James Vesely <JVesely at sstinternational.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Opinion on shoes
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> I have used them for years as well but on a hike last year in the Sierra's I found the soles not insoles to be too soft.
>
> The trail crews in the Sierra's are now repairing the trails with hand crushed jagged baseball size pieces of granite (mega gravel). It almost made me wish I had my leather, ankle high clod stompers with rock hard soles on again. The rock is very uncomfortable to walk on, not only because of the sharp angles but because your foot tends to roll much more easily. Fortunately, the rock is used mostly on steep slopes where other trail material is not available (which at times can be significant distances).
>
> Jim
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> I've used them for years on the PCT and CT.
> A great shoe, BUT they have very little forefoot cushioning.
> You'll need a GOOD insert if you expect to encounter a lot of rocky trail.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Robert E.
> Riess
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:43 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Another vote for Merrell Moab Ventilators. They are very seldom discounted.
>
> Use your REI discount. Amazon.com carries the 2E width. I have a 3 year old pair and 2 spare pairs.
>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:34:50 +0000
> From: James Vesely <JVesely at sstinternational.com>
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> Is there anything for fear of getting old?
>
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> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Packing for fears
>
> On 2/23/2016 11:18 AM, Alli wrote:
>> Let's not be jerks. Packing bear spray does not make you a coward nor
>> does it make you unintelligent. People have a right to different gear
>> choices and if you disagree then keep it to yourself and HYOH.
>
> I think you misunderstood.
>
> "We pack for our fears" is a common phrase used here. We fear freezing at night, so we pack a sleeping bag. We fear starving, so we pack food.
> We fear being rained on, so we pack a shelter. If you fear slipping in the snow, you pack traction devices.
>
> If you had gone through my gear, you would have concluded that I feared sunburn, chapped lips, poison ivy, callouses on my heels and my fingernails growing too long.
>
> It is what we all do. And it determines our pack weight.
>
> It isn't an insult. It is just an observation.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:42:14 -0800
> From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] question anybody have a preference, a cuben fiber
> rain kilt from Zpack or a pair of ultra light rain pants .??
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> After all the rain we hiked in last season we are sold on kilts. Your feet
> are going to get wet with rain paints or a kilt and the kilt is lighter.
> Now should you spend the bucks for a cuben fiber kilt or not? We used cut
> open trash compacter bags with a draw string. They weigh the same as a
> cuber fiber kilt and are just faction of the cost. Personal I do not like
> the idea of a kilt having a seam that opens down a side, like the ZPack
> does. That is just a failure point.
>
> The Ravens
> PCT '96, '15
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:50:39 -0800
> From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Starting mileage?
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> Well said GG.
> That is how we started our thru hike last summer and we would do it again
> that way. For the first 300 miles we tried to keep to 15 - 20 miles a
> day. Most overuse injures occur in the first 300 miles. It is best to
> work into the bigger mileages and let your body strengthen.
>
> Oh, congrats on the new grandson.
>
> Papa Raven
>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:03:41 -0800
> From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] The future of the PCT-L
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> I to will not do FB. I do not agree with the data mining that takes place
> on FB, Google+, and most of the other social media sites. There are to
> many cases of people posting something that they should not and it bits
> them years later.
>
> The PCT-L has not died yet and hopefully it will not die anytime soon.
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> The Ravens
> PCT 96' and '15
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:31:06 -0800
> From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bear Spray /// Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 98, Issue 21
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> 1. Bear spray is not needed. That is all that has to be said.
>
> 2. My only experience with bear spray.
>
> Last summer, on the third day of our thru-hike, we were heading up to Mt.
> Laguna and we came to a nice resting place. My son found a new bottle of
> bear spray. Somebody wanted to lighten their pack and left it on a log.
> Well my son wanted to spray it and I though, why not. I pointed him away
> from us and he pulled the trigger. It put out an orange mist. He shot it
> a second time. I took the bottle from him and went over to let my daughter
> give it a try. That is when the wind shifted and I felt a burning in my
> nose. All of a sudden the whole family was running away from the area as
> fast as we could. Everyone had burning eyes, noses, and throats. We did a
> lot of coughing and gagging while we moaned, groaned, and laughed. We used
> water to wash out our mouths and get the taste out.
>
> I guess that was not the brightest idea, but we all have vivid memories of
> it. And memories will last a life time.
>
> Papa Raven
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:46:51 -0700
> From: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> To: Charles Noe <writenow40 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Opinion on shoes
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> I have had similar success mileage wise and love them.
>
> John's American Lung Association site lungcancerhike.org
>
> John Casterline
>
>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Charles Noe <writenow40 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just ordered Ventilators from Shoebuy for $80.
>> My last pair lasted 1,300 miles and the pair before that lasted 1,200 miles. Also, a Merrell rep told me Merrell will replace shoes once for free during a PCT or AT (or CDT?) thruhike.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Robert E. Riess <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Another vote for Merrell Moab Ventilators. They are very seldom discounted. Use your REI discount. Amazon.com carries the 2E width. I have a 3 year old pair and 2 spare pairs.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:17 AM
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Opinion on shoes
>>>
>>> Maybe they are not trail runners, but my Merrill Moab Ventilators are good for 500+ miles.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 14:16:45 -0600 (CST)
> From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On 02/23/16, Bob Bankhead wrote:
>
> I've used them for years on the PCT and CT.
> A great shoe, BUT they have very little forefoot cushioning.
> You'll need a GOOD insert if you expect to encounter a lot of rocky trail.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I get inserts at the New Balance store in Pasadena. Not cheap, but worth every penny.
>
> Gary
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:17:33 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jerry Nicholson <jer166 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: James Vesely <JVesely at sstinternational.com>,
> "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Packing for fears
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> PCT...?Semper Fi,
> Jerry Nicholson
>
> From: James Vesely <JVesely at sstinternational.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Packing for fears
>
> Is there anything for fear of getting old??
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:23:19 +0000
> From: marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> To: "pct-l @backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hiking cures getting old
> Marmot
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:52:17 -0800
> From: Ellen Shopes <igellenig at gmail.com>
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Starting mileage
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> Well, kind of hard to say. If you can log decent miles before you start
> (talking daily 10 miles with a pack), then you should be able to adjust
> pretty quickly. My husband and I were much older than you and we're easily
> able to manage 15-20 a day from the beginning. Then upped it to 20+miles a
> day after about 3 weeks.
> But...who knows what will happen out there? Just get in as much training
> as you can, then hike what feels OK. Listen to your body and it will tell
> you when to walk, when to take a rest day, etc. Enjoy the experience!
> No Butt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:54:27 -0800
> From: Robert McAllister <rwhere at att.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Opinion on shoes
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> After 500 miles in Southern California the tread on my Ventilators was about gone. Lots of slipping and sliding those last miles before reaching a new pair in the resupply box. They do last a lot longer as everyday footwear.
>
> The lack of protection against rocks was an issue. During the hike I ended up having to cut inserts out of plastic soda bottles to use as "rock shields." Next time out I'm going with something that offers more protection.
>
>
> -RPM
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2016, at 11:46 AM, John Casterline wrote:
>
>> I have had similar success mileage wise and love them.
>>
>> John's American Lung Association site lungcancerhike.org
>>
>> John Casterline
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Charles Noe <writenow40 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just ordered Ventilators from Shoebuy for $80.
>>> My last pair lasted 1,300 miles and the pair before that lasted 1,200 miles. Also, a Merrell rep told me Merrell will replace shoes once for free during a PCT or AT (or CDT?) thruhike.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Robert E. Riess <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another vote for Merrell Moab Ventilators. They are very seldom discounted. Use your REI discount. Amazon.com carries the 2E width. I have a 3 year old pair and 2 spare pairs.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:17 AM
>>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Opinion on shoes
>>>>
>>>> Maybe they are not trail runners, but my Merrill Moab Ventilators are good for 500+ miles.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:15:26 -0800
> From: Sean Nordeen <sean.nordeen at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Rain Kilts vs Rain Pants
> Message-ID:
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> I like both for different reasons and conditions. When it's cold, I much
> prefer the rain pants since they can also be worn as an extra layer even
> when it's not raining. They also cover the bottom of your pants down to
> your ankles. When doing laundry in town, they work great as a second pair
> of pants to wear.
>
> Kilts are great in warmer weather as they allow more ventilation. They are
> easy to put on without having to worry about your shoes. I own 2. A long
> ULA silnylon that goes down to my calves for use in high mountains and
> cooler weather when I don't want the rain pants and a shorter zpacks cuben
> fiber one that I mainly use in warmer weather to cover shorts.
>
> For the PCT in 2009, I compromised between the two. I brought a 3.5 oz
> pair of windpants for warmth and protection against snow (snow doesn't
> saturate clothing like rain) and light rain for most of the trail and added
> the ULA rain skirt for Washington for extra protection. It worked out but
> I didn't deal with a lot of all day multi-day weather except for 2 days of
> rain in N.Oregon and 4 days of off and on snow at the Canadian Border.
>
> -Miner
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 02:19:21 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Greg Fleming <ggfleming55 at yahoo.com>
> To: PCT Listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fuller Ridge to I 10
> Message-ID:
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> Hello All,
> Has anyone been on the above segment lately? I would like to know how much snow is up there, considering the warm SoCal February we've had. Thanks.
> GF
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:52:29 -0800
> From: Peter Necarsulmer <necarsulmer at mac.com>
> To: Alli <fitzalli at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Packing for fears
> Message-ID: <768C4091-BE6E-4241-87B4-3355C9F5DC98 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Amen.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 23, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Alli <fitzalli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Let's not be jerks. Packing bear spray does not make you a coward nor does
>> it make you unintelligent. People have a right to different gear choices
>> and if you disagree then keep it to yourself and HYOH.
>>
>> We all have different trail experiences and can offer different advice to
>> beginners, but we need to be mindful of the fact that there is no one size
>> fits all strategy to having a safe and enjoyable PCT experience.
>>
>> <3 Alpaca
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:13:36 -0800
> From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Fuller Ridge to I 10
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> Gary,
>
> Recommend you check out the postholer.com Google Maps of the PCT and select the Snow Depth Map Skin. Here is a link to a rather long post from last month that attempted to explain how to use; http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2016-January/078093.html
>
> As a short cut try looking at this link I set up just for you;
>
> http://www.postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&lat=33.8000&lon=-116.7000&zoom=12&depth=1
>
> To me it does not look like there's much snow except above the trail.
>
> Thumper
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 23:47:09 -0800
> From: Mikayla Nichols <mikaylanichols at gmail.com>
> To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Getting lost
> Message-ID:
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> So I'll be upfront and honest. I have next to zero sense of direction. I'm
> 22 and get lost in my own city. That's 22 years ive lived in Seattle. I
> have my own personal reasons for wanting to do the PCT, self discovery and
> stuff... But how hard is the trail to navigate? I have the maps. But I can
> get lost with a GPS telling me what to do and reading a map has never been
> a strong point with me. I'm planning to do the hike next year if I don't
> get accepted into grad school. Other wise I'll put it off for about four
> years. I've read lots of blogs about people realizing they were two miles
> off from the actual trail or were just heading back the way they came on
> accident because they got turned around. Does this happen a lot?
>
> --
> Mikayla
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 05:03:16 -0800
> From: danielcthornburg at gmail.com
> To: PCT-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] After falling
> Message-ID: <C86025B0-B010-4D42-AE80-85770076150B at gmail.com>
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> After falling, the third time flat on my back, dropping into upper Hellhole Canyon from over the ridge north of Pena Spring, bleeding from both hands and arms scraped by granite boulders hugged fast upon falling the first and second time, I sat on that steep incline and took
>
> stock?. I was 63. The promised waterfall, situated in a tributary entering from the north, was a long hard mile hike away, and the canyon floor had no trail. The 100 yards that separated me from that rocky bottom looked no easier than my previous exertions
>
> which have led me here, 63, shaking on a rock on the side of a cliff, the waterfall sounding just far enough away, and the reality of facing a climb on all fours just to regain the ridge. I had to abort my mission due to exhaustion halfway down another damn upper Hellhole Canyon.
>
> -Daniel Thornburg February 19, 2016
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 09:40:02 -0800
> From: Andrew Foss <anoldarcadian at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Beginning mileage
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> Being older (64) I usually start the hike at 12-16 miles a day. After 2 to
> 3 weeks it's no problem to be doing 20 a day. I prepare a lot doing at
> least 100 miles on local trails in 2-3 weeks before the hike with
> elevations. Be sure to put the normal weighted pack on the last part of the
> training. Have fun.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:16:24 -0800
> From: Travis Polon <travis.polon at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] advice about my hike
> Message-ID:
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> Good Afternoon everyone,
> I'm a first timer so go easy on me! Ill be hitting the trail April 30;
> NOBO from Campo to Crater lake! So far my only question is will a cell
> phone(AT&T) with half mile maps be a sufficient replacement of carrying a
> GPS? How is cell service on the trail? will service be frequent enough to
> keep the family updated a couple times a week? Any and all feed back is
> greatly appreciated!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:46:39 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting lost
> Message-ID:
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> 2016-02-22 23:47 GMT-08:00 Mikayla Nichols <mikaylanichols at gmail.com>:
>> So I'll be upfront and honest. I have next to zero sense of direction. I'm
>> 22 and get lost in my own city.
>
> The trail is very easy to follow 99.9% of the time.
>
> There are a few areas with confusing criss crossing trails, and the
> occasional unmarked junction, but they are few and far between. The
> biggest issues that I had were finding the trail on the other side at
> road crossings.
>
> Even navigation in the Sierra with the trail under feet of snow is not
> that difficult, you just have to stay in the correct canyon, which is
> not that hard since the steep canyon wall keep you there.
>
> HYOH, YMMV
>
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:52:33 -0800
> From: "Gregory Farris" <gfarris44 at gmail.com>
> To: <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT staying in touch
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> I have a Delorme inReach Explorer. It communicates via satellite and can
> send and receive short email messages. I set up a preset message, "I am
> ok", and the person receiving the message can go to a link in the message,
> and see on a map exactly from where I sent the message. The unit will
> Bluetooth with a smart device. I do a subscription on a monthly basis as
> needed.
>
> Greg Farris
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 09:53:24 -0800
> From: TBrokaw at montmush.com
> To: Mikayla Nichols <mikaylanichols at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>, Pct-L
> <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting lost
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> We have all gotten lost believe me. Some of us more than once. The trail
> is very visible 99.99% of the time. But there are occasional junctions
> that are confusing. You should have map & compass skills whenever you
> enter the wilderness.
> Navigating is a skill that must be learned. And there is no substitute
> for practice. I'd suggest that you get some hands on training. REI
> offers some classes. Staying Found is a great book. Grab a compass &
> practice at home or in a local park.
> It is not rocket science, but requires some practice. Even if you never
> get slightly lost, you will have the confidence that you can rely on your
> skills. Preparation is part of the fun! Good luck.
>
> Tom Brokaw
> Corporate Project Manager
> Monterey Mushrooms
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>
> From: Mikayla Nichols <mikaylanichols at gmail.com>
> To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>,
> Date: 02/24/2016 09:17 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Getting lost
> Sent by: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net>
>
>
>
> So I'll be upfront and honest. I have next to zero sense of direction. I'm
> 22 and get lost in my own city. That's 22 years ive lived in Seattle. I
> have my own personal reasons for wanting to do the PCT, self discovery and
> stuff... But how hard is the trail to navigate? I have the maps. But I can
> get lost with a GPS telling me what to do and reading a map has never been
> a strong point with me. I'm planning to do the hike next year if I don't
> get accepted into grad school. Other wise I'll put it off for about four
> years. I've read lots of blogs about people realizing they were two miles
> off from the actual trail or were just heading back the way they came on
> accident because they got turned around. Does this happen a lot?
>
> --
> Mikayla
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