[pct-l] Troublemakers

[Linda Sheehan]

​Andrea, that is a very telling point. Im sorry about this print size;
can't seem to get rid of it now...
However, one of the issues that has come up is the techno advances on the
trail. Am I just old fashioned (well old anyway) or am I seeing more 'me
against the trail' or 'I'm cool and I'm special because I can do all these
miles' behavior. I've certainly noticed in the blogs and selfies (that word
tells you something) that the miles per day and the *crowd* behavior is the
only reason a lot of people do the trail. The experience is a reflection of
them, not our small part of the wonderful, awesome and respectful
experience of the wilderness. Anyway, I'll get off my high horse. This kind
of behavior hasn't always been confined to the outdoors. I guess the
Continental Divide trail will have to be solace to the younger ones to find
more peace and solitude than the PCT has to offer now.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Andrea Dinsmore <
andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com> wrote:

> I see a comparison between NOBOs and SOBOs.   SOBOs aren't into the
> drinking, smoking, bad attitudes or smart ass behavior. They seem to be
> more into the trail and their performance and planning​.  Partying is the
> furthest thought of their hike. Maybe part of this difference is that they
> start a few at a time and have to immediately get serious about their
> survival. This has been the way the SOBOs have been for 14 years.  The
> NOBOs (that drink a lot) would hit here and show up with 1-2 cases of beer
> each were always under 30 yrs old and showed up in a group. Solo hikers
> occasionally with 1 six pack.
>
> Andrea
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Linda Sheehan <lwshee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there anything we can do about this problem at an individual hiker
>> level? I respect the attempts by the PCT organization to try and lessen
>> the
>> blow on the trail. But when we see things happening what do people of this
>> forum think we can do to try to stem the tide?
>> I have never (being a section hiker) attended, sad to say, the party in
>> April at Moreno. Would that be a venue to enforce the golden rule in some
>> way?
>> Will this issue be dealt with in any way at the San Diego get together?
>> lover of the hills, Linda S.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
>> > To: "Roger Carpenter" <pinecone at elkpass.com>, Pct-L at backcountry.net
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:07:08 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Troublemakers
>> >
>> > Just a quick question on this topic of "trail policing..."
>> >
>> > What does the AT do about it?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As an organization, not much that I'm aware of. With many more hikers,
>> the
>> > number of self-centered jerks is proportionally larger than on the PCT,
>> and
>> > more concentrated (shorter trail, more trail towns to resupply).
>> >
>> > A recent issue of the AT magazine ("AT Journeys") highlighted the
>> problems
>> > that hikers are creating in Baxter State Park and Mt. Katahdin
>> > particularly. Even a thru-runner, seeking to break the time record,
>> > blatantly violated several BSP rules for Katadhin. Apparently, it's
>> gotten
>> > so bad that park officials are considering closing Katadhin as the
>> northern
>> > terminus of the AT, which would be a real tragedy.
>> >
>> > The ATC is following many of the same strategies that the PCTA is (or
>> > maybe vice-versa) - trying to get people to spread out their start
>> times,
>> > esp. at the southern end; increased education about LNT and town
>> behavior,
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > One thing for sure - this is a problem in the greater society, not just
>> > the trails. Bad trail behavior is just reflecting what's happening in
>> > society. And I don't see it being eliminated any time soon.
>> >
>> > Mango
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ned Tibbits, Director
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>> >
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