[pct-l] Rain jacket / Marmot precip / Post by "Panama"

[Tyler Underwood]

I am just curious has anyone else looked into the Gore-Tex Active? I am curious about how water proof and breathable it is. 

Thanks! 

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> On Jan 11, 2016, at 10:48 PM, rbelshee <rbelshee at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, breathable waterproof coats do not work. It took me too many purchases, miles and years before I finally accepted that.
> 
> A poncho is my most versatile rain gear, combined with rain pants. It isn't perfect, especially in high wind or brushy areas, but is still better than a goretex coat in keeping me dry.
> 
> 
> Rod Belshee
> hikepaddle.blogspot.com
> 
> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Drew Smith <jdrewsmith at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:01/11/2016  8:23 PM  (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To:  </div><div>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rain jacket / Marmot precip / Post by "Panama" </div><div>
> </div>
> Your point is right on.  The truth about "waterproof-breathable" jackets is
> that they are neither waterproof nor breathable.  I wore several brands in
> the 80s and 90s.  In any extended rain, I got wet - first along any contact
> points with straps and pack, and then all over.  And unless the temps were
> in the 40s, or I was walking downhill, I soon wetted out from the inside.
> 
> I still use these jackets in the winter, but I switched back to ponchos for
> summer hiking 15 years ago.  I know that WPB jackets are the reigning trail
> orthodoxy, but consider this:
> 
>   - Ponchos are much cheaper than WPB jackets
>   - They keep you drier in long rainstorms
>   - They ventilate MUCH better
>   - They keep your pack dry
>   - They minimize contact of cold wet fabric with your skin, reducing
>   convective heat loss.
>   - They are easy to flip back over your head when it dries out a bit - no
>   need to stop walking to change out.  And to pull back over when it resumes
>   raining.
>   - They are multi-use as a tarp or groundcloth
>   - You can take a break and eat a snack in the rain in them without
>   getting your pack wet
> 
> It's true that they flap in the wind, and they make you look like a dork.
> But the former can be partially remedied with a belt made of rope or shock
> cord.  The latter problem is probably not fixable.
> 
> Paired with a windshirt, a poncho is an excellent rain-wind management
> system.
> 
> Drew/Happy Hour
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:10 PM, JCIL000-hiker at yahoo.com <
> topsecretemail2011 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Regarding the question about rain jackets, I have to agree with "Panama."
>> I got a Marmot Precip rain jacket as a gift and I was unimpressed with its
>> quality.Over several uses, it became evident that it was NOT keeping me dry
>> at all. I finallygot so disgusted with the garment that I actually beefed
>> it up by using a producton it that increased water resistance. Yes, I know.
>> That also decreased its "breathability,"but it was nearly useless as it
>> came from the store.
>> Considering its cost, I was even more unimpressed once I simply switched
>> to the goodold fashioned rain coat that cost me a whopping $20 from
>> Walgreens. The old fashionedyellow variety that you see guys wearing who
>> work outside like gardeners. It didn't "breathe,"but it kept me way dryer
>> than the expensive (but nice looking) Marmot precip. I determinedI'd rather
>> look uncool on the trail than wet. I still use that old yellow coat. The
>> pants thatcame with it are baggy enough and cheap enough that I don't care
>> about them at all as far as damage... they did me right.
>> I'm glad you posted that as I've been annoyed about that experience for
>> several years.
>> Day Early
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