From edjarrett at msn.com  Wed Nov  1 08:49:25 2017
From: edjarrett at msn.com (Ed Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:49:25 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags
In-Reply-To: <001801d35251$976f03a0$c64d0ae0$@wildblue.net>
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I put my food into quart sized Ziplock freezer bags. and cozy them in the Jetboil Sol pot. When it comes time to eat I just open the bag and it folds nicely over the pot. It is easy to hold, easy to eat from, and there is no cleanup.

Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)
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From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> on behalf of Lee McAlpine, Montana CiderWorks <mtcw at wildblue.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 7:07 AM
To: 'Rick Parker'; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags

My issue with Ziplocks are that they don't stand up like a gusseted bag. I'm looking for zipper, gusseted bags with dimensions similar to commercial freeze dried meals. The only gusseted bags I can find are too narrow at the top to easily eat from. The new Food Saver Steamer zipper, gusseted bags are the right dimensions but appear to have steam vents which might be an issue if you are using them to rehydrate a meal. So would like to know if anyone has tried them.


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From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Rick Parker
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:55 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] FoodSaver Freeze n Serve bags

Freezer ziplocks not the cheap ones.  I think they are lighter, and have more of multipurpose (trash bags).  If the FoodSaver Bags are the heat sealed bag, that may work to mail ahead boxes?  You shouldn?t need to mail anything really as you can always pack a few days all the way to Tehachapi.  I think I remember the SoCal longest haul is now (Ziggy and the Bear being closed) Idyllwild to Big Bear.  I was by the store just last month by Casa De Luna and that store is great!  Hikertown now owns a grocery nearby.  Then, 3-4 days to Tehachapi.

FWIW, I never cook in my Ti Pot.  Just use a Talenti ice cream plastic jar for stirring, coffee.  The oatmeal packs are great for pouring hot water into with a bit of freeze dried berrys.  Enjoy. . . .
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From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 12:29:03 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 10:29:03 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1, 2017. [ TODAY ]
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hPMzPrKrx-XitM8V1gHnk9NCRvw_JohG109voC0kkksQ@mail.gmail.com>

-Time sensitive alert-

In a mere 10 days, the PCT long distance thru-hike permit process begins.

Good luck to all applicants seeking nature's elixir.

Paint
https://www.pcta.org/2017/2018-pct-long-distance-permit-50720/

Opening dates for the PCT long-distance permit

Starting at or near the Mexican border (both thru-hikers and section hikers)

These permits are limited to 50 people per day. We will release these
permits in two phases, so if you miss getting a permit in the first phase,
you?ll have the opportunity to try again.

   1. On November 1 at 10:30 a.m. PT, 35 permits per day will become
   available.
   2. On January 17 at 10:30 a.m. PT, the remaining 15 permits per day will
   become available.

Starting elsewhere (Southbound thru-hikers and other section hike
itineraries)

We?ll start accepting permit applications on January 17 at 10:30 a.m. PT.

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 13:12:55 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 11:12:55 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1, 2017. [ TODAY ]
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hv2XLo2KsEwJDkb-m3QWMuHkfxzURGaoBcJnQqoeZLmw@mail.gmail.com>

I just gave the application process the old college try, but to no avail.

It seems that the web traffic is overwhelming the site and the process
timed out in 15 minutes.

I am not seeking a start date in the coveted April/May window, so I'll try
later.

The earliest NOBO start date that one can apply for- is February 15th. I
seek a start date of Jan 1st, so I'll do my own permit gathering elsewhere.

There was no attempt (yet) at controlling one's end date, which is for me-
Dec 31st, but, that calendar date was absent, leaving Dec 30th as the
latest date to select.

Best regards,

Paint

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Wed Nov  1 13:34:30 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 11:34:30 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1,
 2017. [ TODAY ]
In-Reply-To: <CALu=H=hPMzPrKrx-XitM8V1gHnk9NCRvw_JohG109voC0kkksQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Just to be clear, a permit is NOT required for a thru hike.

It is only a "convenience" so you don't need permits from different
agencies, but that really isn't a big deal. You only need one, maybe
two permits for the first 500 miles of the trail

1) if you want to camp outiside of a developed campground in the first
70 miles of the trail (Cleveland NF) you need a free, no limit
"dispersed camping permit" that you can get by calling the Ranger
Station in Alpine (619) 445-6235.  You do NOT need a permit to walk
there, so you can't be cited for not having a permit. BTW, even if you
have a thru hiking permit, you can't legally camp outside of developed
campgrounds in the Mt Laguna Recreation area, even though most people
do just that.

2) You need a permit to enter (even if you are not camping) the Mt San
Jacinito Wilderness area. Since the PCT is still closed south of
Idyllwild, and you have to road walk, just pick up a self issue permit
at the ranger station in town.

The next Permit you need is leaving Kennedy Meadows (South) a the
southern end of the Sierra Nevada and that is a non-quota trailhead.
By the time you get that far, you will have things figured out.

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  1 14:17:43 2017
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 19:17:43 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Permit
Message-ID: <MWHPR0401MB35321BCEAC42967EB3E6BE25C85F0@MWHPR0401MB3532.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

This is just a reminder The thing that is called a fire permit is what allows you to have a backpacking stove with a shut off valve,not a campfire. There is almost no place where a campfire is allowed. And if it is ,there are numerous restrictions (wind,cleared space,plants,lack of shovel)that can go into effect that make it illegal. We just lost another 850 acres to a fire caused by a motorcycle crash. Let's not add to that total. 
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Wed Nov  1 15:59:08 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:59:08 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Permit
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On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:17 PM, marmot marmot
<marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> . There is almost no place where a campfire is allowed.

While this is somewhat true for the first 600 miles or so of the PCT
(it is actually more complicated because each jurisdiction has their
own rules, but "no campfires and only stoves with a shutoff valve" is
the most restrictive, so that works for all of them) it is most
certainly not true north of Kennedy Meadows (South). I am speaking
about the legal aspects of a campfire, not the ethical aspects. That
is a different question.

But as Smokey Bear says: "only you can prevent forest fires," so lets
all be careful out there, even with our camp stoves with shutoff
valves.

You can get your free "California Fire Permit"  here:
http://www.preventwildfireca.org/Campfire-Permit/

From scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 17:53:02 2017
From: scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com (Scott Diamond)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 15:53:02 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Permit
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This is well stated Brick. Personally I'm a little perplexed by the extreme
focus on stoves without a shutoff valve. For my alcohol stove I put in
18-24 grams of alcohol to boil water for my dinner. It doesn't generate
much more heat than a Sterno can. IMO it is very low risk. I think the
white gas stoves with a shutoff valve are far more hazardous. Am I the only
one to have gone to prime one of these stove and applied way more fuel than
I intended? Yikes!! I then have a flame about 2 feet high for a minute or
two until it consumes all the fuel. If I'm worried about starting fires by
accident I'd choose the alcohol stove every time. Butane stoves (e.g.
JetBoil) are very safe and I think one could make a good case for them
instead of fixating on a shutoff valve.

As Brick stated, lets all be careful out there.

     -Rover

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:17 PM, marmot marmot
> <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > . There is almost no place where a campfire is allowed.
>
> While this is somewhat true for the first 600 miles or so of the PCT
> (it is actually more complicated because each jurisdiction has their
> own rules, but "no campfires and only stoves with a shutoff valve" is
> the most restrictive, so that works for all of them) it is most
> certainly not true north of Kennedy Meadows (South). I am speaking
> about the legal aspects of a campfire, not the ethical aspects. That
> is a different question.
>
> But as Smokey Bear says: "only you can prevent forest fires," so lets
> all be careful out there, even with our camp stoves with shutoff
> valves.
>
> You can get your free "California Fire Permit"  here:
> http://www.preventwildfireca.org/Campfire-Permit/
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From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 18:39:38 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 16:39:38 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1,
 2017. [ TODAY ]
In-Reply-To: <CALV1Nzke9xfcJ4iuw=myzjX0Wazn-oBo9=00mAh8PYqQXaLWww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALu=H=hPMzPrKrx-XitM8V1gHnk9NCRvw_JohG109voC0kkksQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Brick,

Thank you for explaining the ins and outs of the permit process in the
first 700 miles or so. You do it each year, right around the time we apply
for permits, providing a check and balance of sorts, on the overall permit
requirements. [ You rebel ]

First and foremost, I like to get a long distance hiking permit for the
affirmation it represents in my goal to hike the PCT.

Second, I don't mind helping myself in clearing the way for a smooth hike
north, by keeping the Federales at bay, when and where encountered.

Third, I usually renew my PCTA membership at said time, and opt for a
permit to exit the Whitney Portal, whether I plan to or not, knowing a
couple dollars might go to some kind of forestry kitty.

Best regards,

Paint










On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
wrote:

> Just to be clear, a permit is NOT required for a thru hike.
>
> It is only a "convenience" so you don't need permits from different
> agencies, but that really isn't a big deal. You only need one, maybe
> two permits for the first 500 miles of the trail
>
> 1) if you want to camp outiside of a developed campground in the first
> 70 miles of the trail (Cleveland NF) you need a free, no limit
> "dispersed camping permit" that you can get by calling the Ranger
> Station in Alpine (619) 445-6235.  You do NOT need a permit to walk
> there, so you can't be cited for not having a permit. BTW, even if you
> have a thru hiking permit, you can't legally camp outside of developed
> campgrounds in the Mt Laguna Recreation area, even though most people
> do just that.
>
> 2) You need a permit to enter (even if you are not camping) the Mt San
> Jacinito Wilderness area. Since the PCT is still closed south of
> Idyllwild, and you have to road walk, just pick up a self issue permit
> at the ranger station in town.
>
> The next Permit you need is leaving Kennedy Meadows (South) a the
> southern end of the Sierra Nevada and that is a non-quota trailhead.
> By the time you get that far, you will have things figured out.
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From moodyjj at comcast.net  Wed Nov  1 19:16:36 2017
From: moodyjj at comcast.net (Jim & Jane Moody)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 00:16:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Scout update
In-Reply-To: <1921856395.49927316.1509581352600.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <741796682.49932832.1509581796299.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

For those of you who haven't been following Scout's journal on TJ, here's an update. 

He finished his sobo AT hike a few days ago and has now triple-crowned. Frodo and other family were there to celebrate with him at Springer Mtn. 

My wife Jane and I were privileged to host Scout, Frodo (who had joined him for a week or so in NE TN), and 3 other young hikers (Aloha, Frankie, and Dot) at our cabin near Roan Mtn. a couple of weeks ago. Like hundreds of others, I was hosted by Scout & Frodo in San Diego before starting on the PCT. 

We have enjoyed hosting many AT hikers there, some of whom are also PCTer's, e.g., Shroomer, Dusty, Tomato, and Zero/Zero. I hoped to get Rolling Thunder to stop by, but he was with a group with several friends and relatives in the Johnson City / Erwin area, so that didn't work out. 

Mango 

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Wed Nov  1 20:05:30 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:05:30 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Permit
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On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Scott Diamond
<scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is well stated Brick. Personally I'm a little perplexed by the extreme focus on stoves without a shutoff valve.

I'm not going to judge the merits of the orders, just what they say.
The last I saw:

The USFS order requires a shutoff valve
The BLM order doesn't

Since it is difficult to know who's land a hiker is on, going with the
shutoff valve seems to be the best way to go. Or stoveless.

The worst stove experience I've ever had was an old Bleuet stove that
turned into a spinning rocket. It flew down the mountain into a
crevasse so we never had a chance to see what caused the failure. The
USFS and the PCTA seem to be pretty heavily anti alcohol stove.

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 20:10:59 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:10:59 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Scout update
In-Reply-To: <741796682.49932832.1509581796299.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1921856395.49927316.1509581352600.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
 <741796682.49932832.1509581796299.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CALu=H=iwrW8OLFaWFoG=AT8neXSYTvKg7k0DexQw-kcf4KYyKw@mail.gmail.com>

Raising a toast to triple crowning success! Woot! Woot! Well done Frodo.
Kudos on south-bounding the AT. Klink! [Wild Turkey 101]

Much admiration,

Paint

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
wrote:

> For those of you who haven't been following Scout's journal on TJ, here's
> an update.
>
> He finished his sobo AT hike a few days ago and has now triple-crowned.
> Frodo and other family were there to celebrate with him at Springer Mtn.
>
> My wife Jane and I were privileged to host Scout, Frodo (who had joined
> him for a week or so in NE TN), and 3 other young hikers (Aloha, Frankie,
> and Dot) at our cabin near Roan Mtn. a couple of weeks ago. Like hundreds
> of others, I was hosted by Scout & Frodo in San Diego before starting on
> the PCT.
>
> We have enjoyed hosting many AT hikers there, some of whom are also
> PCTer's, e.g., Shroomer, Dusty, Tomato, and Zero/Zero. I hoped to get
> Rolling Thunder to stop by, but he was with a group with several friends
> and relatives in the Johnson City / Erwin area, so that didn't work out.
>
> Mango
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From brick at brickrobbins.com  Wed Nov  1 20:14:51 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:14:51 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1,
 2017. [ TODAY ]
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On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for explaining the ins and outs of the permit process in the
> first 700 miles or so. You do it each year, right around the time we apply
> for permits, providing a check and balance of sorts, on the overall permit
> requirements. [ You rebel ]

The new permit quota system is fairly recent and only started with
"Wild" and is being mis represented to the thru hiker community as a
requirement. I was at least tangentially involved in the the creation
of the PCTA thru hiker permit many years ago, and at that time it was
seen as way to resolve a dispute between Region 5 and Region 6 of the
USFS. I feel the need to let people know the truth.

The way it is being used now is simply wrong, and is not backed up by
law. But the PCTA is not a government organization and they can do
what they want.

If you want to get a permit because "it represents in your goal to
hike the PCT" then go for it. But someone aught not to give up their
desire to thru hike simply because they didn't navigate the PCTA s
system.

From moodyjj at comcast.net  Thu Nov  2 07:49:54 2017
From: moodyjj at comcast.net (Jim & Jane Moody)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 12:49:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1,
 2017. [ TODAY ]
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But doesn't the PCTA thru-hiking permit substitute for all the individual permits required by separate fed & state areas? It's not entirely superfluous, even if optional. I guess the main goal of the quota system is to try and spread out the bulge of hikers. 
Mango 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Brick Robbins" <brick at brickrobbins.com> 
To: "Paint YW" <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com> 
Cc: "Pct-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:14:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1, 2017. [ TODAY ] 

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Thank you for explaining the ins and outs of the permit process in the 
> first 700 miles or so. You do it each year, right around the time we apply 
> for permits, providing a check and balance of sorts, on the overall permit 
> requirements. [ You rebel ] 

The new permit quota system is fairly recent and only started with 
"Wild" and is being mis represented to the thru hiker community as a 
requirement. I was at least tangentially involved in the the creation 
of the PCTA thru hiker permit many years ago, and at that time it was 
seen as way to resolve a dispute between Region 5 and Region 6 of the 
USFS. I feel the need to let people know the truth. 

The way it is being used now is simply wrong, and is not backed up by 
law. But the PCTA is not a government organization and they can do 
what they want. 

If you want to get a permit because "it represents in your goal to 
hike the PCT" then go for it. But someone aught not to give up their 
desire to thru hike simply because they didn't navigate the PCTA s 
system. 
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From brick at brickrobbins.com  Thu Nov  2 11:21:34 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:21:34 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] The 2018 permits season opens on November 1,
 2017. [ TODAY ]
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On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
> But doesn't the PCTA thru-hiking permit substitute for all the individual
> permits required by separate fed & state areas?  It's not entirely
> superfluous, even if optional.

Generally speaking, a single wilderness permit is good from the point
of entry to the point of exit.

For example a section hiker can get a permit from the USFS at Kennedy
Meadows with a listed exit point of Yosemite, and that one permit will
be good for all the forests, all the wilderness areas and all the
National Parks along the way. You don't need to get a different permit
for every one. John Muir Trail hikers don't get PCTA permits, though
they pass through 2 national parks, a National Forrest, and several
wilderness areas.

When I hiked, I got a permit from Descano Ranger District (the
starting jurisdiction that controls the land by Campo) that listed
Manning Park as the exit point.

The problem back then was the USFS Region 6 (OR/WA) would not
recognize permits issued by Region 5 (CA), though the the NPS and
State Parks would.

The way they found around this was to give the the PCTA the power to
issue permits, because Region 6 would work with the PCTA. Isn't
government infighting great?


> guess the main goal of the quota system is
> to try and spread out the bulge of hikers.

The main goal of the PCTA quota system is to limit the number of trail
users, just like any other trial head quota. However, all the other
trial head quotas have a legal basis. Since the PCTA permit isn't
really required, its quota system doesn't need legal standing.

I don't have any objection to how the PCTA is limiting their permits.
I only object to the false impression that they are fostering that a
PCTA permit is required

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 13:18:43 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 11:18:43 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Scout update
Message-ID: <CALu=H=jQYtwmnO6z=bNffh7OtBh7he8PfFV1d+sMC3OBjZVE_g@mail.gmail.com>

" Raising a toast to triple crowning success! Woot! Woot! Well done Frodo.
Kudos on south-bounding the AT. Klink! [Wild Turkey 101] "

Humbly correcting:

Well done Frodo.

to

Well done Scout. (& Frodo too)

Klink! [Folgers] ;o)

Paint

From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Sat Nov 11 12:17:16 2017
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:17:16 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
Message-ID: <3fda3a05-cec1-a660-cef3-8a4941f7d283@cox.net>

*Say Switchback,
The women are talking about us...they miss us.
I can't believe how the PCT List has dried up since we stopped posting
on the list.
Not a single post all week...there used to be 10-20 posts a day when we
frequented the list.
The list needs you Switchback, it is dying a slow death without you.
The women are asking about you, they long for your trail wisdom and
humor.
The kind of trail wisdom that was earned many years ago, before the UL
Revolution pampered hikers...a time when hikers were hardcore mountain
men like Switchback and Reinhold and "bears were nervous".

JMT Reinhold
..........................................................................

Sabrina Harrison*troopharrison at 
gmail.com<mailto:pct-l%40backcountry.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bpct-l%5D%20Class%20of%202018&In-Reply-To=%3CC1B9D186-67CC-4A04-AA96-41CDE75F0117%40gmail.com%3E>
/Wed Oct 11 19:37:10 CDT 2017/

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Haha Null :D
Love it.

I've received a ton of awesome info here. One of the main reasons my first section went really well!! You guys are awesome.

Anyone know what's up with Switchback and JMT Reinhold?? Speak up boys!




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From carolwbruno at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 12 12:07:36 2017
From: carolwbruno at yahoo.com (carol bruno)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:07:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
 <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <1424054747.540249.1510510056449@mail.yahoo.com>

Holidays in the sierras sounds like a dream!? So happy you are on the mend.? Hope you're on the trike and cruising through Arizona soon?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 6:23 PM, hiker97 at aol.com<hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:   Well, I am driving my car again and it is wonderful after 6-months in the hospital and rehab homes.? I hope to get the trike started tomorrow with a new battery.? As far as the High Sierras and mountainman adventures, we will be going to the?Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite Valley in early December to see the annual holiday play.? I might try to ride the trike over to Lone Pine and Bishop in a few weeks if I am lucky.? I would love to see the mighty Sierras again.? I remember when the last Ice Age glaciers were melting out the Sierras and Saber Tooth Tigers were roaming the trails looking for solo backpackers to pick off.? Back in those days we did not have all the fancy gear that folks have today.??We knew that pain was only weakness leaving the body.??Cheers, Switchback  

From hiker97 at aol.com  Sat Nov 11 19:23:05 2017
From: hiker97 at aol.com (hiker97 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:23:05 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
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Well, I am driving my car again and it is wonderful after 6-months in the hospital and rehab homes.  I hope to get the trike started tomorrow with a new battery.  As far as the High Sierras and mountainman adventures, we will be going to the Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite Valley in early December to see the annual holiday play.  I might try to ride the trike over to Lone Pine and Bishop in a few weeks if I am lucky.  I would love to see the mighty Sierras again.  I remember when the last Ice Age glaciers were melting out the Sierras and Saber Tooth Tigers were roaming the trails looking for solo backpackers to pick off.  Back in those days we did not have all the fancy gear that folks have today.  We knew that pain was only weakness leaving the body. 

Cheers, Switchback


From jodyinjc at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 15:32:44 2017
From: jodyinjc at yahoo.com (jody boyles)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:32:44 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <3fda3a05-cec1-a660-cef3-8a4941f7d283@cox.net>
References: <3fda3a05-cec1-a660-cef3-8a4941f7d283@cox.net>
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Yes, please :))

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> *Say Switchback,
> The women are talking about us...they miss us.
> I can't believe how the PCT List has dried up since we stopped posting
> on the list.
> Not a single post all week...there used to be 10-20 posts a day when we
> frequented the list.
> The list needs you Switchback, it is dying a slow death without you.
> The women are asking about you, they long for your trail wisdom and
> humor.
> The kind of trail wisdom that was earned many years ago, before the UL
> Revolution pampered hikers...a time when hikers were hardcore mountain
> men like Switchback and Reinhold and "bears were nervous".
> 
> JMT Reinhold
> ..........................................................................
> 
> Sabrina Harrison*troopharrison at gmail.com<mailto:pct-l%40backcountry.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bpct-l%5D%20Class%20of%202018&In-Reply-To=%3CC1B9D186-67CC-4A04-AA96-41CDE75F0117%40gmail.com%3E>
> /Wed Oct 11 19:37:10 CDT 2017/
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Haha Null :D
> Love it.
> 
> I've received a ton of awesome info here. One of the main reasons my first section went really well!! You guys are awesome.
> 
> Anyone know what's up with Switchback and JMT Reinhold?? Speak up boys!
> 
> 
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From nobohiker at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 19:17:22 2017
From: nobohiker at gmail.com (NoBo Hiker)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:17:22 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Cascade Hiking Poles tip replacement
In-Reply-To: <1424054747.540249.1510510056449@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
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 <1424054747.540249.1510510056449@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <646B21CE-7BA7-4F21-B997-38C4BE30DB3A@gmail.com>

Happy Monday PCT-L,

I have two pairs or worn out Cascade Carbon Hiking poles (Costco) and like to replace the tips. A trip to my local REI was kind on inconclusive as the Leki replacement tips they have do not seem to fit.
Anyone knows which ones will fit, I think the Black diamond ones..

Thanks,

Section Hiker Rick




From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 13 11:04:04 2017
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:04:04 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
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References: <3fda3a05-cec1-a660-cef3-8a4941f7d283@cox.net>
Message-ID: <15fb6568201-c0b-2454a@webjas-vae132.srv.aolmail.net>

With you 2 everybody was Nervous--LOL miss you guys . the trail. Now living in IDAHO

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Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com

On Saturday, November 11, 2017 Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
*Say Switchback,
The women are talking about us...they miss us.
I can't believe how the PCT List has dried up since we stopped posting
on the list.
Not a single post all week...there used to be 10-20 posts a day when we
frequented the list.
The list needs you Switchback, it is dying a slow death without you.
The women are asking about you, they long for your trail wisdom and
humor.
The kind of trail wisdom that was earned many years ago, before the UL
Revolution pampered hikers...a time when hikers were hardcore mountain
men like Switchback and Reinhold and "bears were nervous".

JMT Reinhold
..........................................................................

Sabrina Harrison*troopharrison at 
gmail.com<mailto:pct-l%40backcountry.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bpct-l%5D%20Class%20of%202018&In-Reply-To=%3CC1B9D186-67CC-4A04-AA96-41CDE75F0117%40gmail.com%3E>
/Wed Oct 11 19:37:10 CDT 2017/

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Haha Null :D
Love it.

I've received a ton of awesome info here. One of the main reasons my first section went really well!! You guys are awesome.

Anyone know what's up with Switchback and JMT Reinhold?? Speak up boys!




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From troopharrison at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 20:52:18 2017
From: troopharrison at gmail.com (Sabrina Harrison)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:52:18 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
 <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
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That?s right, the chicks will always be asking where you two are and the men will always be trying to keep up!! Legends!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:23 PM, hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Well, I am driving my car again and it is wonderful after 6-months in the hospital and rehab homes.  I hope to get the trike started tomorrow with a new battery.  As far as the High Sierras and mountainman adventures, we will be going to the Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite Valley in early December to see the annual holiday play.  I might try to ride the trike over to Lone Pine and Bishop in a few weeks if I am lucky.  I would love to see the mighty Sierras again.  I remember when the last Ice Age glaciers were melting out the Sierras and Saber Tooth Tigers were roaming the trails looking for solo backpackers to pick off.  Back in those days we did not have all the fancy gear that folks have today.  We knew that pain was only weakness leaving the body. 
>  
> Cheers, Switchback

From completewalker at gmail.com  Wed Nov 15 05:06:33 2017
From: completewalker at gmail.com (Yoshihiro Murakami)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:06:33 +0900
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <44F5C173-D811-41E7-A167-A4C5AF7C730C@gmail.com>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
 <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
 <44F5C173-D811-41E7-A167-A4C5AF7C730C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMCqdRv7rtAHNAWFtkQ4B6LA1DUwgEHNcy+o6U7ffqfraMF=1w@mail.gmail.com>

Some Japanese hikers know the face of Reinhold, and a decent humor of
Switchback.

2017/11/15 17:20 "Sabrina Harrison" <troopharrison at gmail.com>:

> That?s right, the chicks will always be asking where you two are and the
> men will always be trying to keep up!! Legends!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:23 PM, hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Well, I am driving my car again and it is wonderful after 6-months in
> the hospital and rehab homes.  I hope to get the trike started tomorrow
> with a new battery.  As far as the High Sierras and mountainman adventures,
> we will be going to the Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite Valley in early December
> to see the annual holiday play.  I might try to ride the trike over to Lone
> Pine and Bishop in a few weeks if I am lucky.  I would love to see the
> mighty Sierras again.  I remember when the last Ice Age glaciers were
> melting out the Sierras and Saber Tooth Tigers were roaming the trails
> looking for solo backpackers to pick off.  Back in those days we did not
> have all the fancy gear that folks have today.  We knew that pain was only
> weakness leaving the body.
> >
> > Cheers, Switchback
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From kenwhite64 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 15 14:06:09 2017
From: kenwhite64 at gmail.com (Ken White)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:06:09 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Cascade Hiking Poles tip replacement
In-Reply-To: <646B21CE-7BA7-4F21-B997-38C4BE30DB3A@gmail.com>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
 <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
 <1424054747.540249.1510510056449@mail.yahoo.com>
 <646B21CE-7BA7-4F21-B997-38C4BE30DB3A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <783eae53-bffe-8372-1d83-75d64a1c1249@gmail.com>

cascademountaintech.com/collections/trekking-pole-parts-tips-and-baskets

These are the rubber tips. If you want a new metal tip you'll have to 
order the lower pole and swap you old ones out. A few years back they 
replaced a Costco pole section that failed for free and were quite 
helpful over the phone.

Ken


On 11/13/2017 5:17 PM, NoBo Hiker wrote:
> Happy Monday PCT-L,
>
> I have two pairs or worn out Cascade Carbon Hiking poles (Costco) and like to replace the tips. A trip to my local REI was kind on inconclusive as the Leki replacement tips they have do not seem to fit.
> Anyone knows which ones will fit, I think the Black diamond ones..
>
> Thanks,
>
> Section Hiker Rick
>
>
>


From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Thu Nov 16 13:11:27 2017
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:11:27 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <3fda3a05-cec1-a660-cef3-8a4941f7d283@cox.net>
References: <3fda3a05-cec1-a660-cef3-8a4941f7d283@cox.net>
Message-ID: <637b9ca2-c431-7a35-69e1-1d8f8b265c49@cox.net>

Jody,....I like it when the girls are pleading with me.
..............................................
Jody wrote.....YES....PLEASE
..............................................
*Say Switchback,
The women are talking about us...they miss us.
I can't believe how the PCT List has dried up since we stopped posting
on the list.
Not a single post all week...there used to be 10-20 posts a day when we
frequented the list.
The list needs you Switchback, it is dying a slow death without you.
The women are asking about you, they long for your trail wisdom and
humor.
The kind of trail wisdom that was earned many years ago, before the UL
Revolution pampered hikers...a time when hikers were hardcore mountain
men like Switchback and Reinhold and "bears were nervous".

JMT Reinhold
..........................................................................

Sabrina Harrison*troopharrison at 
gmail.com<mailto:pct-l%40backcountry.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bpct-l%5D%20Class%20of%202018&In-Reply-To=%3CC1B9D186-67CC-4A04-AA96-41CDE75F0117%40gmail.com%3E>
/Wed Oct 11 19:37:10 CDT 2017/aha Null :D

Love it.

I've received a ton of awesome info here. One of the main reasons my first section went really well!! You guys are awesome.

Anyone know what's up with Switchback and JMT Reinhold?? Speak up boys!




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From nobohiker at gmail.com  Thu Nov 16 22:41:05 2017
From: nobohiker at gmail.com (NoBo Hiker)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 20:41:05 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Cascade Hiking Poles tip replacement
In-Reply-To: <783eae53-bffe-8372-1d83-75d64a1c1249@gmail.com>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
 <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
 <1424054747.540249.1510510056449@mail.yahoo.com>
 <646B21CE-7BA7-4F21-B997-38C4BE30DB3A@gmail.com>
 <783eae53-bffe-8372-1d83-75d64a1c1249@gmail.com>
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I noticed that they offer the entire shaft, but this is not necessary in my opinion as it is a waste of material and also expensive. I came across a blog where someone mentioned the black diamond tips ?should' work. I just ordered a pair for ~$7. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UYTFCA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Stay away from cabin fever yal!


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Ken White <kenwhite64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> cascademountaintech.com/collections/trekking-pole-parts-tips-and-baskets
> 
> These are the rubber tips. If you want a new metal tip you'll have to order the lower pole and swap you old ones out. A few years back they replaced a Costco pole section that failed for free and were quite helpful over the phone.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> On 11/13/2017 5:17 PM, NoBo Hiker wrote:
>> Happy Monday PCT-L,
>> 
>> I have two pairs or worn out Cascade Carbon Hiking poles (Costco) and like to replace the tips. A trip to my local REI was kind on inconclusive as the Leki replacement tips they have do not seem to fit.
>> Anyone knows which ones will fit, I think the Black diamond ones..
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Section Hiker Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jbruins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 16 23:37:27 2017
From: jbruins at gmail.com (Jay Bruins)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:37:27 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Cascade Hiking Poles tip replacement
In-Reply-To: <055B02AF-F7CA-4B8A-A701-690897B144B9@gmail.com>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
 <15fadd2ab25-c13-1beac@webjas-vae227.srv.aolmail.net>
 <1424054747.540249.1510510056449@mail.yahoo.com>
 <646B21CE-7BA7-4F21-B997-38C4BE30DB3A@gmail.com>
 <783eae53-bffe-8372-1d83-75d64a1c1249@gmail.com>
 <055B02AF-F7CA-4B8A-A701-690897B144B9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD975C82-85C6-4FAA-924F-7575CAAAE503@gmail.com>

On a related note, does anyone know what might fit on the Gossamer Gear LT4s?

Last time I replaced them, I used GG?s own tips. With shipping, this was pricy.

Thanks,
Armstrong

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 8:41 PM, NoBo Hiker <nobohiker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I noticed that they offer the entire shaft, but this is not necessary in my opinion as it is a waste of material and also expensive. I came across a blog where someone mentioned the black diamond tips ?should' work. I just ordered a pair for ~$7. 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UYTFCA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> 
> Stay away from cabin fever yal!
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Ken White <kenwhite64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> cascademountaintech.com/collections/trekking-pole-parts-tips-and-baskets
>> 
>> These are the rubber tips. If you want a new metal tip you'll have to order the lower pole and swap you old ones out. A few years back they replaced a Costco pole section that failed for free and were quite helpful over the phone.
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/13/2017 5:17 PM, NoBo Hiker wrote:
>>> Happy Monday PCT-L,
>>> 
>>> I have two pairs or worn out Cascade Carbon Hiking poles (Costco) and like to replace the tips. A trip to my local REI was kind on inconclusive as the Leki replacement tips they have do not seem to fit.
>>> Anyone knows which ones will fit, I think the Black diamond ones..
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Section Hiker Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Fri Nov 17 01:53:07 2017
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:53:07 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <YpP61w01P0FArrg01pP7AS>
References: <DB2DF372-C0B8-4665-96AF-559F1CD2265D@yahoo.com>
 <YpP61w01P0FArrg01pP7AS>
Message-ID: <0359b54c-c534-a42f-f7cb-4f4d999bff38@cox.net>

Switchback,
If I remember correct, you told me some time ago that you will need a 
knee replacement.

Get well soon...the list needs hardcore hikers like you to pass on hard 
earned wilderness
knowledge, earned during a time when only hard core mountain men like 
Switchback
and Reinhold dared to roam around in the wilderness carrying everything 
they needed
to survive anything mother nature could throw at them, in huge metal 
frame packs, living
of the land and making bears nervous.
They just don't make'm like us any more...they don't make'm out of the 
same metal anymore.

Say...you guys think hiking is tough nowadays?...click the below link to 
see what tough hiking
is all about.

http://imgur.com/aJGLZTh

JMT Reinhold
Deadliest Bazooka Gunner in Vietnam
Some girls say also the best looking one
................................................................

On 11/11/2017 5:23 PM, hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
> Well, I am driving my car again and it is wonderful after 6-months in 
> the hospital and rehab homes.? I hope to get the trike started 
> tomorrow with a new battery.? As far as the High Sierras and 
> mountainman adventures, we will be going to the?Ahwahnee Hotel in 
> Yosemite Valley in early December to see the annual holiday play.? I 
> might try to ride the trike over to Lone Pine and Bishop in a few 
> weeks if I am lucky.? I would love to see the mighty Sierras again.? I 
> remember when the last Ice Age glaciers were melting out the Sierras 
> and Saber Tooth Tigers were roaming the trails looking for solo 
> backpackers to pick off.? Back in those days we did not have all the 
> fancy gear that folks have today. /*We knew that pain was only 
> weakness leaving the body*/.
> Cheers, Switchback



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From brick at brickrobbins.com  Fri Nov 17 02:14:12 2017
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 00:14:12 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <637b9ca2-c431-7a35-69e1-1d8f8b265c49@cox.net>
References: <3fda3a05-cec1-a660-cef3-8a4941f7d283@cox.net>
 <637b9ca2-c431-7a35-69e1-1d8f8b265c49@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CALV1Nzm5KqFeshi_sRq1zaeFruU8OQkubRySLaS+Axz5YS4Q3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Would you all stop using the "reply to all" option in your mail readers please?

the list software sees a long list of recipients as potential spam,
and I have to manually approve all of these messages.

Just reply to the list, and everyone will still get it

Thank you!

From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Fri Nov 17 10:48:49 2017
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:48:49 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold
In-Reply-To: <ZV461w00E15g52401V4762>
References: <ZV461w00E15g52401V4762>
Message-ID: <578f8bd7-6b70-6212-ea54-4eb7d0ba14e1@cox.net>

No, No, No,....Groundpounder...you got it all wrong.
The girls are not nervous,...they are? "HAPPY".
It's the guys that are? "NERVOUS".

JMT Reinhold
...........................................................

Groundpounder wrote:
With you 2 everybody was Nervous--LOL miss you guys . the trail. Now 
living in IDAHO
...................................................................

On Saturday, November 11, 2017 Reinhold Metzger 
<reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:

*Say Switchback,
The women are talking about us...they miss us.
I can't believe how the PCT List has dried up since we stopped posting
on the list.
Not a single post all week...there used to be 10-20 posts a day when we
frequented the list.
The list needs you Switchback, it is dying a slow death without you.
The women are asking about you, they long for your trail wisdom and
humor.
The kind of trail wisdom that was earned many years ago, before the UL
Revolution pampered hikers...a time when hikers were hardcore mountain
men like Switchback and Reinhold and "bears were nervous".

JMT Reinhold
..........................................................................

Sabrina wrote:
Haha Null :D
Love it.
I've received a ton of awesome info here.
One of the main reasons my first section went really well!!
You guys are awesome.

Anyone know what's up with Switchback and JMT Reinhold?? Speak up boys!








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From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Fri Nov 17 11:33:17 2017
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:33:17 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold...&...Yoshi & Me on the JMT
In-Reply-To: <CAMCqdRv7rtAHNAWFtkQ4B6LA1DUwgEHNcy+o6U7ffqfraMF=1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMCqdRv7rtAHNAWFtkQ4B6LA1DUwgEHNcy+o6U7ffqfraMF=1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6adff50-ab14-fbf7-8813-43471229084f@cox.net>

Yoshi,
I am flattered to know that even in far away places like Japan the girls 
know of
Switchback and Reinhold.
Our popularity with the women is spreading to foreign countries.

Yoshi, I still fondly remember the time you and I met on the JMT Trail 
some years ago.
You were hiking the JMT SOB and I NOB.
You "insisted" that we share a cup of coffee and promptly got out your 
stove and made
some coffee and us sitting on the JMT Trail sharing a cup of coffee and 
talking about the JMT.

Yes,...."Yoshi & Me"......on the JMT.

I hope all is well with you and your wife and hope to meet you on the 
JMT again sometime
and share another cup of coffee.

JMT Reinhold
.........................................................

Yoshi wrote:
Some Japanese hikers know the face of Reinhold, and a decent humor of 
Switchback.




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From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 16:16:12 2017
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 14:16:12 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] With California Drought Over, Fewer Sierra Pines Dying
Message-ID: <CALu=H=i8v0MYFc34dvnZJ8CYwsc-SUocgJeOtb9uP=0LQZ42tw@mail.gmail.com>

After five years of drought in which more than 100 million trees died in
California <https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd543943.pdf>
 ? mostly ponderosa pines attacked by tiny bark beetles in the Sierra
Nevada ? aerial surveys this summer revealed fewer dead pines than last
year, a positive turn that researchers hope will continue if the state has
another wet winter.

https://ww2.kqed.org/science/2017/10/24/with-california-drought-over-fewer-sierra-pines-dying/

[ It's a goopy mess when pines and beetles duke it out. ]

An informative video about the diminutive bark beetle engaged in mortal
combat with ponderosa pine.

All the best-

Paint

;o)

From teresadattolo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 11:16:46 2017
From: teresadattolo at gmail.com (Teresa D)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 17:16:46 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] California section C over thanksgiving weekend?
Message-ID: <CAGcXdJYcwApronLudEx5ABLYYzjpU7k_Oob_AE=Pzhsg--unig@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know the current or expected conditions of California section C
around this time of year?

Specifically from mile ~210 at the cabazon I10 crossing (aka ziggy and the
bear area) to mile ~266 hwy18/big bear. I know this area does get snow, but
the ski resort is reporting no snow and the daytime temps seem to be well
above freezing so I?m hoping it?s not too late to hike here. Any opinions
from locals most welcome!

Thanks,
Teresa

From reinholdmetzger at cox.net  Sat Nov 18 09:25:01 2017
From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net (Reinhold Metzger)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:25:01 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Switchback & Reinhold...&...on the trail to long Hiker
 Chicks
In-Reply-To: <a2s01w00G0y3pY1012sJDP>
References: <a2s01w00G0y3pY1012sJDP>
Message-ID: <27cc740e-d49b-8f51-cb02-4e23d14e70b5@cox.net>

Yes Sabrina,
That is how I got to be a speed hiker....trying to avoid being caught by 
"On the
Trail to long Hiker Chicks".
So far I have managed to outrun them.
But I am afraid, as I slow down as I get older, sooner or later them "On 
the trail
to long Hiker Chicks" will catch me and have their way with me.

JMT Reinhold
Your nervous trail companion
...................................................

Sabrina wrote:
That?s right, the chicks will always be asking where you two are
and the men will always be trying to keep up!!
Legends!





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From candace at jfred.net  Sat Nov 18 09:30:24 2017
From: candace at jfred.net (Candace Frederick)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:30:24 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] California section C over thanksgiving weekend?
In-Reply-To: <CAGcXdJYcwApronLudEx5ABLYYzjpU7k_Oob_AE=Pzhsg--unig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGcXdJYcwApronLudEx5ABLYYzjpU7k_Oob_AE=Pzhsg--unig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOU29hwJ0x6-za=iyHsMCH1o6EhtfBptOL9Q6vLb-W1Jjmi7fA@mail.gmail.com>

I live in Big Bear. We were hoping for some snow, but I don't think that
will happen. It hasn't even really been cold enough here to make snow
during the day. I think you'll be fine.

-Candace

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Teresa D <teresadattolo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the current or expected conditions of California section C
> around this time of year?
>
> Specifically from mile ~210 at the cabazon I10 crossing (aka ziggy and the
> bear area) to mile ~266 hwy18/big bear. I know this area does get snow, but
> the ski resort is reporting no snow and the daytime temps seem to be well
> above freezing so I?m hoping it?s not too late to hike here. Any opinions
> from locals most welcome!
>
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 11:19:57 2017
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:19:57 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] California section C over thanksgiving weekend?
In-Reply-To: <CAGcXdJYcwApronLudEx5ABLYYzjpU7k_Oob_AE=Pzhsg--unig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <585509.65023.bm@smtp215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Theresa,?
? ? ?This looks like a great weekend for hiking this segment of the trail. But I would start at Big Bear and hike down to I-10 because it is going to be hot on Thursday and cooler by the end of the weekend.?
? ? ? ? ? ? Mataguay Connector Rob?
Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A
-------- Original message --------From: Teresa D <teresadattolo at gmail.com> Date: 11/17/17  9:16 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net> Subject: [pct-l] California section C over thanksgiving weekend? 
Does anyone know the current or expected conditions of California section C
around this time of year?

Specifically from mile ~210 at the cabazon I10 crossing (aka ziggy and the
bear area) to mile ~266 hwy18/big bear. I know this area does get snow, but
the ski resort is reporting no snow and the daytime temps seem to be well
above freezing so I?m hoping it?s not too late to hike here. Any opinions
from locals most welcome!

Thanks,
Teresa
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From rickrparker at icloud.com  Wed Nov 22 12:05:39 2017
From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:05:39 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] San Gabriel Water Sources
Message-ID: <E34A5EC5-3FAE-460D-8266-6A6CF93E5A97@icloud.com>

Reliable water questions in San Gabriels early to mid April?  Is there every a water opportunity at the old burned Fire Camp 16 at 426.5?  MillCreek Ranger Station at 418 reliable?  North Fork Ranger Station at 436?

I know I am a good bit early and understand the snow may be troublesome.

Thanks in advance for input.



From douglastow at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 13:20:06 2017
From: douglastow at gmail.com (Douglas Tow)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:20:06 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Bear canister for overseas hikers
Message-ID: <CAOOqOOtUeOZ_G-K-u_NXiVdh5nru17eapdwLPt-+78cqjp99Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Chipmunk here,

Each year, I lend two large Bearvault BV500 bear canisters to PCT
thru-hikers from overseas.

If you are from overseas, and need a bear canister for the 2018 season,
please reply, and we can discuss details (delivery, return,
communication).  I always receive many requests, so the sooner your reply
the better.

I can also provide references from past hikers, if you wish.

Chipmunk
Douglas Tow

From rgraybill44 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 13:25:40 2017
From: rgraybill44 at gmail.com (Ron Graybill)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 11:25:40 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] San Gabriel Water Sources
In-Reply-To: <E34A5EC5-3FAE-460D-8266-6A6CF93E5A97@icloud.com>
References: <E34A5EC5-3FAE-460D-8266-6A6CF93E5A97@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAEnMNWXJo0jruhF71YAJDvciZZoqe1eFFHi1Lu1opZ2hFM93XQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know both Ranger Stations you mention are reliable, having hiked past
them fairly recently. Ron "Slo-Charger" Graybill.

On Nov 22, 2017 10:05 AM, "Rick Parker" <rickrparker at icloud.com> wrote:

> Reliable water questions in San Gabriels early to mid April?  Is there
> every a water opportunity at the old burned Fire Camp 16 at 426.5?
> MillCreek Ranger Station at 418 reliable?  North Fork Ranger Station at 436?
>
> I know I am a good bit early and understand the snow may be troublesome.
>
> Thanks in advance for input.
>
>
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From cmalex at gmail.com  Fri Nov 24 14:13:50 2017
From: cmalex at gmail.com (Chris Alexander)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 20:13:50 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Photography Book 50% Off
Message-ID: <CAJRhYcEf5DQPTR4jSq2cK1YPpN5+uM_sFoww9i0y0Rderm_GXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Anna "Northstar" Sofranko and I have put our Pacific Crest Trail coffee
table book on sale for 50% off! The book features many beautiful
photographs of the wilderness we all love. It makes a great gift for trail
friends, your home support team, or yourself. Preview and buy the book here
(ships to US only):

http://wanderingthewild.com/book

You can also buy from Amazon (ships to a variety of countries):
http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crest-Trail-Journey-Photographs/dp/B01528MDNG

Cheers,

Chris "Shutterbug" Alexander (PCT Class of 2012)

From rdraggoo at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 26 11:27:48 2017
From: rdraggoo at hotmail.com (Roy Draggoo)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:27:48 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Diabetes
Message-ID: <DM5PR1001MB2187044BEC530873C5B61730CA240@DM5PR1001MB2187.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hello everyone. If you have any information on thru-hiking the PCT with type one diabetes please post your experiences as I am contemplating the journey. 
Roy