[pct-l] Angeles National Forest complete ban on all stoves?!

Paint YW paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com
Wed Jan 10 09:32:21 CST 2018

Check your spam folder to see if any PCT-L messages were arbitrarily sent
there... happens on my end rather routinely.

Appreciate your input and good to see a lurker come in from the cold.

FWIW- the Angeles NF fire/stove ban covers an area along the PCT, from
about Wrightwood to Hikertown/HWY 138 (approx. miles 400 to 530) with a
brief area of permittable use near Agua Dulce (mile 454).


On Jan 9, 2018 11:51 PM, "David Plotnikoff" <david at emeraldlake.com> wrote:

> Hello from a long-time list lurker. (Long, long time ....) I'm not sure if
> this is going to reach the list because although Brick has assured me in
> the past that I am still signed up, I have not received messages in more
> than a year.
> Here's the deal: In researching a SoCal section hike from Campo through to
> the aqueduct for this year (yes, I AM doing it again)... I have come across
> a forest order from the acting forest supervisor for the Angeles National
> Forest, dated Dec. 7. 2017 and effective Jan. 4 2018 through the end of the
> 2018 fire season.
> The order can be found at: https://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts
> /angeles/alerts-notices
> If that doesn't get you to the place where you can click on "Fire Use
> Restrictions 05-01-18-01 Date(s): Dec 7, 2017" you need to manually go to
> the Angeles National Forest Web site and drill down to "Alerts and Notices."
> This order appears to ban ALL STOVES OF ANY KIND from the entirety of the
> Angeles National Forest. It does not appear to have been done in
> conjunction with or consultation of the PCTA. (Jack? Care to chime in?)
> I ran across this because of the wild disparity of information and
> dis-information on the legality of alcohol stoves in Southern California. I
> can find no evidence of a blanket ban on them, or even any direct evidence
> of a ban on them in a specific jurisdiction. EXCEPT for the executive order
> referenced above.
> IF this is what it appears to be, that's going to be a lot of cold starts
> and a lot of cold dinners for a whole lot of PCT hikers.
> I would like to hear the PCTA's statement on this and other stove
> regulations currently in Southern California. I can't find word one on the
> PCTA site on this issue, only a vague line on the water report that doesn't
> reference a flat-out ban, only an urging of people to not carry cat stoves.
> Anyone who'd like to offer some clarity -- more light than heat! -- please
> jump in here.
> Respectfully,
> David Plotnikoff
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