[pct-l] Stove less
ralvek088-hiking at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 10 17:51:04 CST 2018
Unfortunately fires are a real concern in this part of the world and land managers have few options butto make rules for the lowest common denominator and they have no way of knowing your background orlevel of experience. Even if you are experienced in managing yourself and your stove all it takes is a very smallmistake to start a fire.
For all those throwing rocks at the stringent rules on stoves and fires, please step forward and volunteer to fightthe next wild land fire in the Angeles National Forest putting yourself in harm's way.
From: Lyn Turner <thelyn at icloud.com>
To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove less
I'm absolutely with you on this, Brick.
Candace and co: if I'm going to travel 5000 miles in order to complete my PCT adventure, you can be absolutely sure I'm not there to burn your house down. After 50 years of safe wilderness hiking, I think I can be trusted to make a cup of coffee on my tiny stove and manage to not set the forest on fire.
Whatever...I will happily abide by what the PCTA recommends. I don't think I'm the worrisome wilderness hiker, though: hunters, day hikers, folks who don't understand LNT and random idiots are the people you might want to worry about.
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> On 10 Jan 2018, at 19:07, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:33 AM, Gary Schenk <gary_schenk at verizon.net> wrote:
>> What do fire rings have to do with camp stoves?
>> It's evidence that many PCT hikers cannot be trusted with fire. Like Candace, I see many illegal fire rings on the PCT. It's not cool.
>> On the AT they have a communal fire every night at the shelters. When they come out west they continue the tradition, and why not, they don't know the reality of the conditions out here. Fifteen people died yesterday as the result of a human caused fire. With the conditions existent in the southern California mountains we all need to be careful. We all need to get the word out about fires, whether campfires or stove fires.
> I do not see how stove usage is evidence that "PCT hikers cannot be
> trusted with fire" and I still don't see how fire rings have anything
> to do with stoves.
> Also, as a resident of Southern California, who frequents the PCT year
> round, not just the thru-hiker season, I can assure you that the vast
> majority of the use the trail gets is not from thru-hikers, but from
> weekenders, hunters and day hikers. The proximity of Angeles NF to Los
> Angeles gives easy access city folks who have no clue about things
> like Leave No Trace, Fire Safety or even cleaning up their own
> The weekend after the opening of Deer Season here in San Diego
> country, much of the area around the PCT is littered with fire rings,
> spent shell casing, and empty beer cans. I avoid the backcountry on
> Opening Day. A person just can't wear enough orange to feel
> While I support education, and "getting the word out," it will require
> outreach to the non-hiking population, not demeaning messages telling
> thru hikers that they can't be trusted with fire.
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