marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com
Sat Nov 17 16:53:10 CST 2018
At the end of another huge fire on the west side of the Sierra and a fire ban A few of us came on some people who started a campfire in between Chicken Spring and that next big creek. The wind was blowing--as it often does at that time of day. We all asked them to put out their fire. No luck. We were interfering with their fantasy hike. It would have taken one leaf blowing in, catching fire and blowing out to burn that whole area. How long would it take to bring in fire fighters from Horseshoe Meadow? The same thing happened at Little Jimmy. Fire ban after that fire(Whitewater(?)) that closed the trail for maybe two years and there were people making huge bonfires. It could have burned the whole ridge up Baden Powell before anyone could put it out. They would not listen because that was spoiling it for them. Luckily some of us were able to find a ranger. He tore off in his truck up the backside of the mtn and put a stop to the behavior Thank goodness. It's hard to say something and it won't always work but sometimes it does
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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Put your perspective on the 2019 facebook group, over and over. I've hiked sections of the PCT for 50 years and too often it is young people who are looking for meaning in life that build fires for camaraderie. They don't necessarily have a big picture view or understanding of the trail and the environment it goes through. Most do, but all it takes is one person to build a fire and everyone at a camp to shrug their shoulders and warm their hands and spirits.
> I think you'll be speaking to the choir this year, but in years past, I've encountered lots of shrugs and eye rolling when actually talking with someone who built a fire.
>> On 11/17/2018 3:08 PM, marmot marmot wrote:
>> Now that it is so obvious what can happen, I want to remind the class of 2019 that we do not make fires on the PCT. The Calif fire permit simply allows a hiker to use a backcountry camping stove and in very limited situations have a campfire. As someone who has put out campfires (on numerous trails)after people have walked away ,thinking they were out, I'm asking you to make a choice to be adult and responsible. People from other parts of the country and world show up on this trail not understanding the ecosystem and imagine that they can build a fire each night as a emotional comfort/cooking unit/source of Somemores. That isn't true. We have high winds,volatile chapparal and small campsites. Many inexperienced hikers start the PCT. Many hikers don't even know how to use their equipment--eg --put up their tents so that they don't blow over in a wind. That's fine. You will learn. But, please do not make fires. You are not backpacking. Or at summer camp You are long distance hikin
>> g. There is a lot to learn. And if I hear one more time how we need fire so that the forest
>> regenerates. .............That is misunderstanding the chapparal ecosystem. Having hiked the trail at this point 2 1/3 times it makes me so sad to see the areas of the trail that used to have water and shade turned into permanent grasslands because they were burned so completely at very high heat and the climate has changed enough that there will never be enough water to regrow the big trees. We now get enough water to grow crops of fast burning grass and low brush and bumper crops of poodledog bush. It takes about 5 years for the poodledog to cycle out to more mature growth after a fire.
>> The Woolsey fire burned 83% of the National Forest Land in the Santa Monica mtns. It's a similar ecosystem. No one knows yet what started that fire. Let's not have PCT hikers add to the threat and the problem. Please get warm in your sleeping bag and your tent and get emotional support from your hiker friends not from a campfire. I have no idea how many animals died in addition to the human deaths in these last fires. We will never know. At one point people burned or buried their camping trash. Who would even think of doing that now? Each year there are people in their blogs talking about having a fire each night and how good it makes them feel. I hope that this year that stops
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