From sdscpcts at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  4 19:50:45 2019
From: sdscpcts at yahoo.com (sdscpcts)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:50:45 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Water, Water (likely, hopefully) everywhere.
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Yesterday I was out at the Mataguay Scout Ranch, near Warner Springs. At one point recently they received 10 inches of rain in a 24 hour period. That is a fourth of their annual rain fall.? ? ? ? ? Rob?Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A
-------- Original message --------From: Gary Schenk <gary at hbfun.org> Date: 2/25/19  1:50 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: "PCT L." <pct-l at backcountry.net> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water, Water (likely, hopefully) everywhere. On Mon, February 25, 2019 12:24 pm, Barry Teschlog wrote:> There is hope for decent seasonal water for 2019.Yesterday, in the San Gabriels, we hiked by a spring that hasn't flowed inyears.Gary_______________________________________________Pct-L mailing listPct-L at backcountry.netTo unsubscribe, or change options visit:http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-lList Archives:http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.

From dkwoods33 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 19:39:18 2019
From: dkwoods33 at gmail.com (David Woods)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:39:18 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 121, Issue 1
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I went by Scissors Crossing last Thursday. It was obvious that the creek
had been flowing heavily but I saw no water there.


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From temp3 at mflan.com  Wed Mar  6 19:47:49 2019
From: temp3 at mflan.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 19:47:49 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Scissors Crossing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1551895201.92967.pct-l@backcountry.net>
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Thanks for the report.
Scissors Crossing - about 35 miles north
of the border with MX:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.09639,+-116.47444+%28Coordinates%29&iwloc=A&hl=en



Mike


On 3/6/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> I went by Scissors Crossing last Thursday. It was obvious that the creek
> had been flowing heavily but I saw no water there.


From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Mar  6 20:30:25 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 18:30:25 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] Scissors Crossing
In-Reply-To: <059aa1bf-a170-3d3a-0a84-c0113a9847e4@mflan.com>
References: <mailman.1.1551895201.92967.pct-l@backcountry.net>
 <059aa1bf-a170-3d3a-0a84-c0113a9847e4@mflan.com>
Message-ID: <CALu=H=jC3E2t238p+X7DTL31L6Jy0ojWRLbQEjjmEpfQG_WRhA@mail.gmail.com>

Scissors Crossing is at mile 77.

Guessing- mile 35 is about where Cibett's Flat is located.

No worries on your accuracy. Welcome aboard and get out there everybody and
HIKE!

Paint

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019, 5:47 PM Mike <temp3 at mflan.com wrote:

>
> Thanks for the report.
> Scissors Crossing - about 35 miles north
> of the border with MX:
>
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.09639,+-116.47444+%28Coordinates%29&iwloc=A&hl=en
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 3/6/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > I went by Scissors Crossing last Thursday. It was obvious that the creek
> > had been flowing heavily but I saw no water there.
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From mikeflan at att.net  Thu Mar  7 16:34:16 2019
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:34:16 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Scissors Crossing
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Lots of kinks in that trail.
Blue is the PCT.
The intersection of blue and red at the top
are Scissors Crossing.
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pct.jpg

My distance was a straight-line distance.
As the crow flies.



Mike



On 3/7/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> Scissors Crossing is at mile 77.
>
> Guessing- mile 35 is about where Cibett's Flat is located.
>
> No worries on your accuracy. Welcome aboard and get out there everybody and
> HIKE!
>
> Paint


From temp3 at mflan.com  Thu Mar  7 17:00:57 2019
From: temp3 at mflan.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:00:57 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] Scissors Crossing
Message-ID: <4b7903f7-4d83-cb07-7dcb-9c9a4f43d227@mflan.com>


Lots of kinks in that trail.
Blue is the PCT.
The intersection of blue and red at the top
are Scissors Crossing.
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pct.jpg

My distance was a straight-line distance.
As the crow flies.



Mike



On 3/7/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> Scissors Crossing is at mile 77.
>
> Guessing- mile 35 is about where Cibett's Flat is located.
>
> No worries on your accuracy. Welcome aboard and get out there 
> everybody and
> HIKE!
>
> Paint

From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Fri Mar  8 15:22:30 2019
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:22:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Scissors Crossing
References: <1886045163.1842453.1552080150380.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1886045163.1842453.1552080150380@mail.yahoo.com>


I am truly missing the TRAIL JUST watching the SNOW fall here in IDAHO

On Thursday, March 7, 2019 Mike <temp3 at mflan.com> wrote:




Lots of kinks in that trail.

Blue is the PCT.

The intersection of blue and red at the top

are Scissors Crossing.

http://www.mflan.com/temp/pct.jpg



My distance was a straight-line distance.

As the crow flies.







Mike







On 3/7/2019 12:00 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:

> Scissors Crossing is at mile 77.

>

> Guessing- mile 35 is about where Cibett's Flat is located.

>

> No worries on your accuracy. Welcome aboard and get out there

> everybody and

> HIKE!

>

> Paint

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From douglastow at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 21:41:50 2019
From: douglastow at gmail.com (Douglas Tow)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 19:41:50 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] 2018 official video inquiry
Message-ID: <CAOOqOOuboLhp8Ed-4hj+cyv1P-y7yrDCAYoF5wFSKHZqKY=PUg@mail.gmail.com>

Has this video been produced and posted?

Thanks,

Chipmunk

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 17:35:30 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:35:30 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Water Report 3/6/19 Webinar
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hKsXRvP-yd9ATwchtJWyP+JdB-RVcvn7_SvWQMEJWO4w@mail.gmail.com>

It's happening! Get your motor running...

https://pctwater.com/2019/03/10/pct-water-report-3-6-19-webinar/

Thank you Half Mile! Thank you Double Tap!

Hikers! The water report is community-sourced, so please send in those
updates!

All the best,

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 17:46:42 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:46:42 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Snow Pack Conditions for CA (northern, central,
 southern sections)
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hwDANWWykq+gcjjKCinrD+1oaj9T-DjUjEKFgSM8j1VA@mail.gmail.com>

It's shaping up to be a stellar year for water availability on the PCT in
California.

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/snowapp/sweq.action

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=PAGE6

Paint

? shaka

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 17:59:00 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:59:00 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Welcome our 2019 PCT Southern Terminus hosts
Message-ID: <CALu=H=ikAgVRwELH4AuEEwWaMNgttE1gT5zPFi+HLgqNxxfqLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to this year's southern terminus volunteer trail hosts!

What a great way to welcome in the 2019 PCT hiking season. 3 glorious
months in sunny Campo, California, guiding and aiding hikers on their
incredible journey northbound.

https://www.pcta.org/2019/2019-pct-southern-terminus-hosts-63825/

Chomping at the bit 60 miles SW of PCT mile point 0858-5. (hat tip to Half
Mile)

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 18:13:45 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:13:45 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Scissors Crossing
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hozD7VgmxdcTs0pK9ZPUTNbp4ZbG5dRCH3QytKM-KKbA@mail.gmail.com>

No matter how thin you slice a piece of bologna, there are still two sides.

Amen brother Mike.

I misunderstood your comment regarding the distance to Scissors Crossing
from the border.

Yes- as a crow flies... as you say, 35 miles from the border.

And as the trail is struck upon the ground- 77 miles.

Total trail distance- 2,652 miles.

As the proverbial crow flys... 1,000 miles.

Get out there and hike!

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 18:20:18 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:20:18 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018 video inquiry
Message-ID: <CALu=H=gRuu3UoqFz724-s9Q=j56BYt6a6bNPmh07kHq5Qvz8dA@mail.gmail.com>

Joining in the hue and cry for info. on the hoped-for class video of 2018.

Anybody? Bueller?

Thank in advance,

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 18:36:53 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:36:53 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Class of 2018 video inquiry { EUREKA- for I have found it! }
Message-ID: <CALu=H=iK+mm5+Qi1DajCjbUc-ZUxC3MO_RjydtpFz4iMND8y0g@mail.gmail.com>

Found It!

With a little snooping I found my answer.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1aTE0DVYAEZ-mM.jpg:small

https://www.pcta.org/community/live/

Last call for submission to the PCT Class of 2018 video! Your deadline is
now. #PCT2018 <https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23PCT2018>#PacificCrestTrail
<https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23PacificCrestTrail> #PCT
<https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23PCT>https://t.co/oGI2AnUXcs

At your service-

Paint

THANK YOU "GOOGLE!" Google- is the trail name of the hiker that has
graciously volunteered to compose the PCT Class of 2018 video.

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 19:05:25 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:05:25 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto Trail Report
Message-ID: <CALu=H=iwSDgAtKU2BvBHJj9rb2ryL2yaB0RcAgKnn5QeyQb+gA@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent report on the current conditions atop Mt San Jacinto- SO. CA.

https://sanjacjon.com/

Paint

PS

I sent a post that is apparently blocked in being posted for the tawdry
verbiage that I used.

>>> Slap my butt and call me red... see PCTA's Twitter account! <<<

Please allow me to slip this in surreptitiously.

https://twitter.com/PCTAssociation

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 19:06:09 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:06:09 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Slap my butt and call me red... see PCTA's Twitter
 account!
In-Reply-To: <CALu=H=ijq0NK73Azb6mNMx4wbrKkadm_=q=Q3Georp8N60YDWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALu=H=ijq0NK73Azb6mNMx4wbrKkadm_=q=Q3Georp8N60YDWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALu=H=i5LTQio2ObhBpDQvz2pya=dMU90c9YJqt3RpQ5EN-4CQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Paint YW <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 4:44 PM
Subject: Slap my butt and call me red... see PCTA's Twitter account!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>


Who knew?

The PCTA has had a Twitter account for an unknown period of time, AND what
a treasure trove of data, to be discovered... late into the game!

https://twitter.com/PCTAssociation

Hi five!

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 18:44:14 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:44:14 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Slap my butt and call me red... see PCTA's Twitter account!
Message-ID: <CALu=H=ijq0NK73Azb6mNMx4wbrKkadm_=q=Q3Georp8N60YDWw@mail.gmail.com>

Who knew?

The PCTA has had a Twitter account for an unknown period of time, AND what
a treasure trove of data, to be discovered... late into the game!

https://twitter.com/PCTAssociation

Hi five!

Paint

From rickrparker at icloud.com  Wed Mar 20 09:46:12 2019
From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 09:46:12 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] Whitewater to Big Bear
Message-ID: <AD54BF8F-FC0D-48C9-9204-BD29B0A9096D@icloud.com>

Any reports or forecasts on trail conditions above Whitewater Preserve and Big Bear.  Need to have my Micro Spikes sent to my resupply in a few days.  Snow/Ice? water? Slides?

From brick at brickrobbins.com  Wed Mar 20 12:33:55 2019
From: brick at brickrobbins.com (Brick Robbins)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 10:33:55 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Whitewater to Big Bear
In-Reply-To: <AD54BF8F-FC0D-48C9-9204-BD29B0A9096D@icloud.com>
References: <AD54BF8F-FC0D-48C9-9204-BD29B0A9096D@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CALV1NznbEmYhvaNbc6xpkM5Z5_Uw9VTTp_raEb0tbcr-WwfWgQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 7:46 AM Rick Parker <rickrparker at icloud.com> wrote:

> Any reports or forecasts on trail conditions above Whitewater Preserve and
> Big Bear.  Need to have my Micro Spikes sent to my resupply in a few days.
> Snow/Ice? water? Slides?
>

Well, it is snowing in Big Bear today. I doubt it will be cold enough to
freeze the snow hard enough to need microspikes, but an Ice Axe might be
useful. When are you planning on being there?

You can see the ski resorts webcams here, but remember they make a lot of
snow. so look at the coverage next to the runs, not on them. Good luck

https://www.bigbearmountainresort.com/winter/mountain-information/web-cams

From pctpanama at aol.com  Sat Mar 23 13:18:30 2019
From: pctpanama at aol.com (Brian Gill)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:18:30 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Kickoff -adzpctko- gathering day zero.
Message-ID: <2ED4244B-372B-4BFF-8BAD-F86F790208F8@aol.com>

I know the annual kick off has been stopped for numerous reasons..  ? like I didn?t see that coming ?.!   Lol. .. are there still people gathering at Lake Marina around the old kick off date . Independent of organizers and just doing their own thing!   Panama  

"Sent from my iPhone"

       Brian 

From susan at newstories.org  Mon Mar 25 11:46:44 2019
From: susan at newstories.org (Susan Virnig)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:46:44 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi
Message-ID: <055D00D2-2084-490D-8A60-DC5FB62ADA8A@newstories.org>

I?m a section hiker who?s walked nearly 1700 PCT miles, north from Campo to Paradise Valley/Highway 74 and south from Manning Provincial Park to Echo Lakes, and now I?m trying to figure out a way to hike the rest of Section B, plus C, D, E, and maybe F.  Earlier I had been hoping to start this week, but with all the snow, that?s a no-go.  Cassidy from the PCTA suggested one way to do it would be to start at Tehachapi and head south.  Some questions:

1.  Best way to get to Tehachapi ? which airport or which Amtrak station or which bus, since I?m coming from Spokane, WA?

2.  How can I find out current snow levels in Section E?  I don?t mind some snow, but don?t want a lot of postholing or the need for crampons and an ice axe, tho I do have micro spikes.   In Section D, Highway 2 is under snow, which means the PCT is under snow.  Does anyone know when it might be open?  (Tried Angeles NF and CalTrans, but couldn?t even get a guess.)  

3.  Does Casa de Luna still exist?  Halfmile?s map lists a website from 2009 and their Facebook page doesn?t have anything on it since June of last year.

4. The High Desert Trail Alternate seems to be a lower alternative to being up on the slopes of Mt. Baden-Powell, from S. Fork Campground to Vincent Gap, but I can?t find going southbound where to leave the PCT to get down to S. Fork or how to get back up to Vincent Gap.  Anybody know?

5. Do I need to worry about bugs, with all this melting snow?

6.  Right now temperatures in Tehachapi and Agua Dulce are ranging from the 30s to the 60s.  In April it will warm up, but will a sun umbrella be worth carrying?

7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack, especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San Jacinto, etc.)?

Thanks for any help or advice you can give me,
Sunshine (Susan from Spokane)

From dofdear at cox.net  Mon Mar 25 12:28:24 2019
From: dofdear at cox.net (DANIEL COHEN)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:28:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1553533200.52876.pct-l@backcountry.net>
References: <mailman.1.1553533200.52876.pct-l@backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <913658595.1377944.1553534905262@myemail.cox.net>

Hi Susan,
I've responded in kind,

1.  Not sure where you are starting from but for bus service check out https://webstore.trailways.com/buy-bus-tickets/tehachapi-ca .
 
2.  Personally I like the Postholer Google Maps with the Snow Depth Map Skin.  Check out https://www.postholer.com/google-map/Pacific-Crest-Trail/1 .
 
3.  Do not know.
 
4. I do not but in reviewing the Postholer map there does not appear to be much snow along the PCT through Angeles NF.  My opinion would be to hike the PCT.
 
5. I always carry something...
 
6.  HYOH - Today the San Diego county UV levels are pretty high (+8) for this early in the year so if sun exposure is an issue then you know the answer...
 
7. There is no snow currently in the Lagunas.  Again, review the snow map.
 
Hope this helps and please feel free to reach up for additional questions

Thumper aka dofdear

From dofdear at cox.net  Mon Mar 25 13:28:30 2019
From: dofdear at cox.net (DANIEL COHEN)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi
In-Reply-To: <D5C4BDF8-8BF9-43EB-9DA0-16761B0E6369@newstories.org>
References: <mailman.1.1553533200.52876.pct-l@backcountry.net>
 <913658595.1377944.1553534905262@myemail.cox.net>
 <D5C4BDF8-8BF9-43EB-9DA0-16761B0E6369@newstories.org>
Message-ID: <1043555489.1379485.1553538511108@myemail.cox.net>

Susan,

Postholer (Scott) once told me that the snow data updates every 3 days from NOAA Satellite imagery data.  Some time ago I posted to both the Posthole and PCT-L sites information and methods on how to use Postholer Maps to predict snow level depths.  Please see https://www.postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2847 https://www.postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2847   and there is also a reference to the PCT-L post.  The post is long and some may find it complicated.  Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Also I posted this to the PCT-L so others may benefit from our conversation.

Thumper aka dofdear 

> On March 25, 2019 at 2:04 PM Susan Virnig <susan at newstories.org> wrote:
> 
>     Hey, Thumper,
> 
>     Thanks a lot!  Very helpful.  
> 
>     I did not know about Postholer?s snow map!  When I looked there, Sections, F, E and C appear to be free of snow.  Do you know how accurate his map is?  It says, " Trail snow  takes a single modeled value at thousands of specific locations along the trail??  So if the map is based on modeled values, do you know how useful it is?  I ran into him once about 13 miles north of Seiad Valley, and when he gave his name, I asked, ?Are you THE Postholer?? and indeed it was him!  I thanked him so much for all his work! 
> 
>     ?Susan
> 
> 
>         > >         On Mar 25, 2019, at 10:28 AM, DANIEL COHEN < dofdear at cox.net mailto:dofdear at cox.net > wrote:
> > 
> >         Hi Susan,
> >         I've responded in kind,
> > 
> >         1.  Not sure where you are starting from but for bus service check out https://webstore.trailways.com/buy-bus-tickets/tehachapi-ca .
> > 
> >         2.  Personally I like the Postholer Google Maps with the Snow Depth Map Skin.  Check out https://www.postholer.com/google-map/Pacific-Crest-Trail/1 .
> > 
> >         3.  Do not know.
> > 
> >         4. I do not but in reviewing the Postholer map there does not appear to be much snow along the PCT through Angeles NF.  My opinion would be to hike the PCT.
> > 
> >         5. I always carry something...
> > 
> >         6.  HYOH - Today the San Diego county UV levels are pretty high (+8) for this early in the year so if sun exposure is an issue then you know the answer...
> > 
> >         7. There is no snow currently in the Lagunas.  Again, review the snow map.
> > 
> >         Hope this helps and please feel free to reach up for additional questions
> > 
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From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Mon Mar 25 16:49:46 2019
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (neil.lacey)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:49:46 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi
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Thanks ... starting North April 8 and wondering about the snowNeilSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: DANIEL COHEN <dofdear at cox.net> Date: 3/25/19  2:28 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Susan Virnig <susan at newstories.org> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net Subject: Re: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi Susan,Postholer (Scott) once told me that the snow data updates every 3 days from NOAA Satellite imagery data.? Some time ago I posted to both the Posthole and PCT-L sites information and methods on how to use Postholer Maps to predict snow level depths.? Please see https://www.postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2847 https://www.postholer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2847?? and there is also a reference to the PCT-L post.? The post is long and some may find it complicated.? Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Also I posted this to the PCT-L so others may benefit from our conversation.Thumper aka dofdear > On March 25, 2019 at 2:04 PM Susan Virnig <susan at newstories.org> wrote:> >???? Hey, Thumper,> >???? Thanks a lot!? Very helpful.? > >???? I did not know about Postholer?s snow map!? When I looked there, Sections, F, E and C appear to be free of snow.? Do you know how accurate his map is?? It says, " Trail snow? takes a single modeled value at thousands of specific locations along the trail??? So if the map is based on modeled values, do you know how useful it is?? I ran into him once about 13 miles north of Seiad Valley, and when he gave his name, I asked, ?Are you THE Postholer?? and indeed it was him!? I thanked him so much for all his work! > >???? ?Susan> > >???????? > >???????? On Mar 25, 2019, at 10:28 AM, DANIEL COHEN < dofdear at cox.net mailto:dofdear at cox.net > wrote:> > > >???????? Hi Susan,> >???????? I've responded in kind,> > > >???????? 1.? Not sure where you are starting from but for bus service check out https://webstore.trailways.com/buy-bus-tickets/tehachapi-ca .> > > >???????? 2.? Personally I like the Postholer Google Maps with the Snow Depth Map Skin.? Check out https://www.postholer.com/google-map/Pacific-Crest-Trail/1 .> > > >???????? 3.? Do not know.> > > >???????? 4. I do not but in reviewing the Postholer map there does not appear to be much snow along the PCT through Angeles NF.? My opinion would be to hike the PCT.> > > >???????? 5. I always carry something...> > > >???????? 6.? HYOH - Today the San Diego county UV levels are pretty high (+8) for this early in the year so if sun exposure is an issue then you know the answer...> > > >???????? 7. There is no snow currently in the Lagunas.? Again, review the snow map.> > > >???????? Hope this helps and please feel free to reach up for additional questions> > > >???????? Thumper aka dofdear> >???????? _______________________________________________> >???????? Pct-L mailing list> >???????? Pct-L at backcountry.net mailto:Pct-L at backcountry.net> >???????? To unsubscribe, or change options visit:> >???????? http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> > > >???????? List Archives:> >???????? http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/> >???????? All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.> >???????? Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.> > > >???? > >  _______________________________________________Pct-L mailing listPct-L at backcountry.netTo unsubscribe, or change options visit:http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-lList Archives:http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.

From rickrparker at icloud.com  Mon Mar 25 17:25:30 2019
From: rickrparker at icloud.com (Rick Parker)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:25:30 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 121, Issue 11
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Not just the snow but the tremendous damage on the trail. I just got into Big Bear. Snow pack on the north facing slopes became impassable at 442 on way to Coon Creek. Baled and decended  At 442 to the Coon Creek. Others went to road ant returned to walk out to highway 38. One got sick and hit the Inreach alarm.  Good job San Bernardino Deputys and Emergency crews. Snow was down to 6500 ft.  

Best way to Tehachapi is get to Bakersfield bus to downtown bus hub and and ask to be dropped off at Cameron. Kerntransiit.org.  

I took photos yesterday of all the snow on north slopes from Santa Rosas, San Jac, Gorgonio, Wrightwood, and Baden Powell.

 No Bugs

Casa de Luna is open. They just don?t keep up with their digital stuff.  I called ahead to ship resupply.  

High Desert is not recommended by Forestry and others. Washout and landslides.  Get to say 398 or so and Buckhorn to PCT. #justsaying.

HYOH




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> I?m a section hiker who?s walked nearly 1700 PCT miles, north from Campo to Paradise Valley/Highway 74 and south from Manning Provincial Park to Echo Lakes, and now I?m trying to figure out a way to hike the rest of Section B, plus C, D, E, and maybe F.  Earlier I had been hoping to start this week, but with all the snow, that?s a no-go.  Cassidy from the PCTA suggested one way to do it would be to start at Tehachapi and head south.  Some questions:
> 
> 1.  Best way to get to Tehachapi ? which airport or which Amtrak station or which bus, since I?m coming from Spokane, WA?
> 
> 2.  How can I find out current snow levels in Section E?  I don?t mind some snow, but don?t want a lot of postholing or the need for crampons and an ice axe, tho I do have micro spikes.   In Section D, Highway 2 is under snow, which means the PCT is under snow.  Does anyone know when it might be open?  (Tried Angeles NF and CalTrans, but couldn?t even get a guess.)  
> 
> 3.  Does Casa de Luna still exist?  Halfmile?s map lists a website from 2009 and their Facebook page doesn?t have anything on it since June of last year.
> 
> 4. The High Desert Trail Alternate seems to be a lower alternative to being up on the slopes of Mt. Baden-Powell, from S. Fork Campground to Vincent Gap, but I can?t find going southbound where to leave the PCT to get down to S. Fork or how to get back up to Vincent Gap.  Anybody know?
> 
> 5. Do I need to worry about bugs, with all this melting snow?
> 
> 6.  Right now temperatures in Tehachapi and Agua Dulce are ranging from the 30s to the 60s.  In April it will warm up, but will a sun umbrella be worth carrying?
> 
> 7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack, especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San Jacinto, etc.)?
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> Thanks for any help or advice you can give me,
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From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 20:06:50 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:06:50 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd:  south from Tehachapi
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For one reason or another, my message (reply) did not make it onto the list
serve, which was my intention. Also, I misspelled Tehachapi multiple times,
much to my chagrin, so this reply attempts to rectify this egregious
grammatical goof. Go forth and spell properly.

Paint

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Susan Virnig <susan at newstories.org>
Date: Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM
Subject: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi
To: <Pct-l at backcountry.net> <pct-l at backcountry.net>, SectionsYahooGroup PCT
<PCTSection at yahoogroups.com>


I?m a section hiker who?s walked nearly 1700 PCT miles, north from Campo to
Paradise Valley/Highway 74 and south from Manning Provincial Park to Echo
Lakes, and now I?m trying to figure out a way to hike the rest of Section
B, plus C, D, E, and maybe F.  Earlier I had been hoping to start this
week, but with all the snow, that?s a no-go.  Cassidy from the PCTA
suggested one way to do it would be to start at Tehachapi and head south.
Some questions:

1.  Best way to get to Tehachapi ? which airport or which Amtrak station or
which bus, since I?m coming from Spokane, WA?

2.  How can I find out current snow levels in Section E?  I don?t mind some
snow, but don?t want a lot of postholing or the need for crampons and an
ice axe, tho I do have micro spikes.   In Section D, Highway 2 is under
snow, which means the PCT is under snow.  Does anyone know when it might be
open?  (Tried Angeles NF and CalTrans, but couldn?t even get a guess.)

3.  Does Casa de Luna still exist?  Halfmile?s map lists a website from
2009 and their Facebook page doesn?t have anything on it since June of last
year.

4. The High Desert Trail Alternate seems to be a lower alternative to being
up on the slopes of Mt. Baden-Powell, from S. Fork Campground to Vincent
Gap, but I can?t find going southbound where to leave the PCT to get down
to S. Fork or how to get back up to Vincent Gap.  Anybody know?

5. Do I need to worry about bugs, with all this melting snow?

6.  Right now temperatures in Tehachapi and Agua Dulce are ranging from the
30s to the 60s.  In April it will warm up, but will a sun umbrella be worth
carrying?

7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack,
especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San Jacinto,
etc.)?

Thanks for any help or advice you can give me,
Sunshine (Susan from Spokane)
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From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 20:10:01 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:10:01 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi
Message-ID: <CALu=H=jGo8cemScVP9igO7rhatLiq-kObvp=BKQZhunUbMTS+w@mail.gmail.com>

I'll take- What is the answer to question # One for $200 Alex?

If you are going into LA, there is a Metrolink rail line that can be taken
to Lancaster.

https://www.metrolinktrains.com/schedules/?type=station&originId=180&destinationId=102&weekend=0
(There
is an initial bus ride from LAX to Union Station of approx. 35 minutes
duration.)

>From Lancaster, the ESTA bus runs north on the 395 corridor, and stops in
Mojave, giving you access to the PCT about 12 miles west on HWY 58. There
is a fine list of trail angels circulating in the Tehachipi area, that
might be obtained from the Tehachipi Chamber of Commerce, wherein you could
perhaps, petition for a ride to the trailhead.


https://www.estransit.com/routes-schedule/395-routes/mammoth-lakes-to-lancaster/

Also, a commuter bus runs back and forth between Mojave and Tehachipi, and
it might stop at the PCT TH (mile # 568) along HWY 58. (Lancaster to
Bakersfield)

http://kerntransit.org/routes-and-schedules/100-bakersfield-lancaster/

>>> (Reservation/scheduling required in advance of a stop at the PCT
trailhead on HWY 58.)

Also, FWIW, there's trailhead access on Willow Springs Road, about 12 miles
south by southeast of Tehachipi, and HWY 58, which is mile #558 of the PCT,
that connects secondarily to HWY 58 via Cameron Canyon Road, which is mile
#568 of the PCT. The trail parallels this road for about 10 miles as it
follows along on the ridge to the southeast.

Another way to the trail is by way of a bus route out of LA, and into
Bakersfield, then the commuter bus to Mojave.

(LA to Bakersfield)

https://locations.greyhound.com/bus-routes/destination/Bakersfield-ca/los-angeles-ca#fare-search


(Bakersfield to Lancaster)


https://locations.greyhound.com/bus-routes/destination/mojave-ca/bakersfield-ca#fare-search


An alternative option is to get to Lancaster, and then contact someone at
Hikertown (Bob is the caretaker and Richard and Roberta Skaggs are the
owners) to inquire about a ride to Hikertown, and then hike south from
there (mile # 518) into the Angeles NF.

*** Personally, I would go to Kennedy Meadows-south (mile # 702) and strike
out from there for an even more epic SOBO hike.

The ESTA bus coming out of Lancaster stops at Pearsonville, on the 395.
It's about 2 miles walk north to 9 Mile Canyon Road, that heads west up
into the mountains and connects/turns into Sherman Pass Road. Kennedy Mdws.
is approx. 25 miles off the 395. One could call the KM's General Store and
inquire about a ride, or contact trail angel Tom to see if he is available,
or hitchhike to the area.

Other options-

Fly into LAX, then take a shuttle flight to Mammoth Lakes, then take the
ESTA bus south to ???

Or fly out of LAX into Ridgecrest-Inyokern, then take the ESTA bus either
north or south to ???

Lots of options Sunshine!

Have a great hike. If you are ever in the area of mile # 878.7 NOBO, stop
by V V R (Vermilion Valley Resort) and say hello. I've worked my way into a
ferry boat captain position on Thomas Alvin Edison Lake, between Selden
Pass and Silver Pass.

Best regards,

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 20:33:48 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:33:48 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] snow data links
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hHjAddbZeWn-xhhS769pJ9Nq8wN-yoSwWpENEeMQx+Rw@mail.gmail.com>

More important than snow levels- is water percentages contained within the
snow. In other words, there is a light fluffy snow, and there is heavy
dense snow. Thanks to the pineapple express phenomenon, much of the
snowfall has been very heavy/water laden, and the runoff/spring melt is
going to be epic.

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=DLYSWEQ

https://www.fs.fed.us/r5/webmaps/SierraSnowDepth/

(This map is interactive, so use your cursor and drag the pointer to the
location that you are MOST interested in... look especially at the areas
above Los Angeles. Very telling.

 http://www.weatherstreet.com/weather-forecast/california-snow-cover.htm

https://www.onthesnow.com/california/skireport.html

 https://water.ca.gov/News/Current-Conditions

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=swccond.pdf

https://water.ca.gov/news/

 https://cdec.water.ca.gov/snowapp/sweq.action

Enjoy!

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 00:27:51 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:27:51 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto Trail Report
Message-ID: <CALu=H=heXJbYsZDkSYPhz9ZZE+oAPvP-OtKHxRQON--xUQLHBw@mail.gmail.com>

This is a very accurate and current trail report of conditions on Mt San
Jacinto. Today- mile 169.5. The conditions are no joke at this time, but
fear mongering is not the point either with regard to the reporting.

 https://sanjacjon.com/

Apache ice update 26 March 2019

Narrator uses a combination of crampons, micro spikes, ice axe and snow
shoes where appropriate.

Thank you Jon King.

Best to you,

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 01:26:08 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:26:08 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] water water, water everywhere (almost) Fred Canyon- yippee!
Message-ID: <CALu=H=iLdtR76nuiuVF1Kvm7BR8sO+nUrFFZLAjt1F5937fpdA@mail.gmail.com>

After reading several active journals of people currently out on the trail,
I was delighted to learn that there is water in Hauser Creek, and-  Fred
Canyon. For those that know these areas, water has been absent for a very
long time, and this is indeed good news.

Nothing says the water will be running over the entire season, but it is a
good sign.

https://pctwater.com/

 A2 15.4 WRCS015 Hauser Creek [early spring only]

3/24/19 @ 8:00AM (Sunrise) : Flowing beautifully.
3/23/19 (Grace) : Flowing.
3/23/19 (Smalls) : Good flow.
3/18/19 (Shivers) : Flowing well.
3/16/19 (Bane) : Flowing well.
3/7/19 (Six2) : Plenty of water in the creek with recent rain.
3/5/19 (Deb & Rick) : Great flow! 2 liters in 3 seconds!

A4 32 WRCS032 Fred Canyon [usually dry]

3/26/19 (Sunrise) : Running well.
3/19/19 (Shivers) : Flowing.
3/8/19 (Six2) : Fred Canyon has a steady running stream with recent rain,
but will probably dry out once it warms up.
3/8/19 (Paco) : Plenty of water flow.

Get out there!

Paint

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 01:32:09 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:32:09 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] pct 2019 youtube activity
Message-ID: <CALu=H=gPaBx0F=duJNPE95Ztc+a4Y+OSdOETh0ucQKXq3QEJyA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pct+2019

Stunning- how much info is out there already (for this time of the year)

Way to go hikers!

Paint!

From paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 18:19:29 2019
From: paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com (Paint YW)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:19:29 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] SNOW TO SAND film chronicles winter thru-hike of the
 Pacific Crest Trail
Message-ID: <CALu=H=hGW21em4aXODL=_9dP07PxJG-s04MmOaX-06hTM2VFoA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.pcta.org/2019/snow-to-sand-film-64216/

Have you ever spent a really cold night in the backcountry? Imagine
traveling over 130 days on the Pacific Crest Trail through the winter
<https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/backcountry-basics/snow/>. What a
crazy idea.

A new feature-length movie named SNOW TO SAND captures Shawn ?Pepper? Forry
and Justin ?Trauma? Lichter on their historic winter PCT expedition
<https://www.pcta.org/2015/winter-thru-hike-pacific-crest-trail-video-27730/>.
The New York Times called the 2015 adventure ?the most daring and foolhardy
wilderness expedition since Lewis and Clark.? The duo?s incredible athletic
feat presented a unique story about man, nature, and self, set against a
global backdrop about humankind?s role in managing the natural world.

I just watched this film and found it worthy of my time and money.

It's not the usual hiker style video with an awesome soundtrack. Instead, I
would say it's a bit more introspective as intended, with some wise owls
narrating in lieu of music accompaniment.

Yes, there is a fee.

It can be rented for $2.99 and purchased for $9.99.

Background:

https://www.pcta.org/2015/winter-thru-hike-pacific-crest-trail-video-27730/

Get out there!

Paint

From gary at hbfun.org  Fri Mar 29 10:41:31 2019
From: gary at hbfun.org (Gary Schenk)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:41:31 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] south from Tehachapi
In-Reply-To: <055D00D2-2084-490D-8A60-DC5FB62ADA8A@newstories.org>
References: <055D00D2-2084-490D-8A60-DC5FB62ADA8A@newstories.org>
Message-ID: <c4a7eac5b5369032b03bcc8b6cd2d727.squirrel@sm.webmail.pair.com>

Good morning, Sunshine.

On Mon, March 25, 2019 9:46 am, Susan Virnig wrote:
>
> 1.  Best way to get to Tehachapi ? which airport or which Amtrak station
> or which bus, since I?m coming from Spokane, WA?

There's a bus that will drop you of at the PCT. Google Kern County transit.
>
> 2.  How can I find out current snow levels in Section E?  I don?t mind
> some snow, but don?t want a lot of postholing or the need for crampons and
> an ice axe, tho I do have micro spikes.   In Section D, Highway 2 is under
> snow, which means the PCT is under snow.  Does anyone know when it might
> be open?  (Tried Angeles NF and CalTrans, but couldn?t even get a guess.)
>

I wouldn't worry about snow in section E. Hwy 2 will probably open in May,
maybe late April It's getting warm now.


> 4. The High Desert Trail Alternate seems to be a lower alternative to
> being up on the slopes of Mt. Baden-Powell, from S. Fork Campground to
> Vincent Gap, but I can?t find going southbound where to leave the PCT to
> get down to S. Fork or how to get back up to Vincent Gap.  Anybody know?
>

There's a trail from Islip Saddle that goes down to South Fork. It'll be
snowy right now, and it's north facing. As of now, you'll be on snow long
before you get to Islip.

> 5. Do I need to worry about bugs, with all this melting snow?
>

No.

> 6.  Right now temperatures in Tehachapi and Agua Dulce are ranging from
> the 30s to the 60s.  In April it will warm up, but will a sun umbrella be
> worth carrying?
>

Depends on you. Not for me.

> 7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack,
> especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San Jacinto,
> etc.)?

Probably bailing out.

Gary



From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Fri Mar 29 11:28:34 2019
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (Neil Lacey)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:28:34 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] bailing out
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Greetings,

I'm trying to think/brainstorm about options for this year.

I've committed to an April 8 start date, of course I'd love to finish 
but I've seen some insane snowmelt in my time, makes me hesitate.

Plus I'm 64, in great shape for 64, but pushing straight through seems 
pretty risky.

I just retired so I don't have many constraints, here are a? few 
thoughts, I know a lot can happen between now & June.

1) Hike North to Tehachapi, take a break somewhere til the melt is 
mostly over & then head into the Sierra

2) Take a longer break after the desert & head southbound from the 
northern border

3) Flip North then head South depending on snow.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Neil

> 7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack,
> especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San Jacinto,
> etc.)?

On 3/29/2019 11:41 AM, Gary Schenk wrote:
> Good morning, Sunshine.
>
> On Mon, March 25, 2019 9:46 am, Susan Virnig wrote:
>> 1.  Best way to get to Tehachapi ? which airport or which Amtrak station
>> or which bus, since I?m coming from Spokane, WA?
> There's a bus that will drop you of at the PCT. Google Kern County transit.
>> 2.  How can I find out current snow levels in Section E?  I don?t mind
>> some snow, but don?t want a lot of postholing or the need for crampons and
>> an ice axe, tho I do have micro spikes.   In Section D, Highway 2 is under
>> snow, which means the PCT is under snow.  Does anyone know when it might
>> be open?  (Tried Angeles NF and CalTrans, but couldn?t even get a guess.)
>>
> I wouldn't worry about snow in section E. Hwy 2 will probably open in May,
> maybe late April It's getting warm now.
>
>
>> 4. The High Desert Trail Alternate seems to be a lower alternative to
>> being up on the slopes of Mt. Baden-Powell, from S. Fork Campground to
>> Vincent Gap, but I can?t find going southbound where to leave the PCT to
>> get down to S. Fork or how to get back up to Vincent Gap.  Anybody know?
>>
> There's a trail from Islip Saddle that goes down to South Fork. It'll be
> snowy right now, and it's north facing. As of now, you'll be on snow long
> before you get to Islip.
>
>> 5. Do I need to worry about bugs, with all this melting snow?
>>
> No.
>
>> 6.  Right now temperatures in Tehachapi and Agua Dulce are ranging from
>> the 30s to the 60s.  In April it will warm up, but will a sun umbrella be
>> worth carrying?
>>
> Depends on you. Not for me.
>
>> 7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack,
>> especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San Jacinto,
>> etc.)?
> Probably bailing out.
>
> Gary
>
>
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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 11:48:11 2019
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:48:11 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] bailing out
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Didn't some of you guess at "Ray Day" start dates?? If i remember 
correctly, a normal year's snow has May 1 be the "Ray Day."

In 2005 I did a two state section hike starting at Manning on June 7.? 
The Sierra was near 200%, similar to what it is this year, and while a 
few made it through, most either bailed or flipped to Canada where the 
snowpack was almost nil.? That really doesn't seem to be an option this 
year as the snowpack in Washington is pretty normal.

https://www.postholer.com/postholer/cache/1_swe_current.png

This doesn't directly address Neil's question, but it's peripherally 
related.? I too am curious what big snow years hikers did, and what your 
experience was like - STORY TIME!!!? Piggybacking on Neil's questions, 
I'm particularly curious what hikers in their 50s and 60s did, and how 
they dealt with the slogging...

Jeff
Laramie, WY



On 3/29/2019 9:28 AM, Neil Lacey wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'm trying to think/brainstorm about options for this year.
>
> I've committed to an April 8 start date, of course I'd love to finish 
> but I've seen some insane snowmelt in my time, makes me hesitate.
>
> Plus I'm 64, in great shape for 64, but pushing straight through seems 
> pretty risky.
>
> I just retired so I don't have many constraints, here are a? few 
> thoughts, I know a lot can happen between now & June.
>
> 1) Hike North to Tehachapi, take a break somewhere til the melt is 
> mostly over & then head into the Sierra
>
> 2) Take a longer break after the desert & head southbound from the 
> northern border
>
> 3) Flip North then head South depending on snow.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Neil



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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 12:04:10 2019
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:04:10 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] bailing out
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I was just informed Ray Day is the middle of June.? I guess what i was 
thinking was that it was the day you started hiking at the border, not 
the day you enter the Sierra.? Thanks!!!? My memory concresces - it 
takes approximately six weeks to get to the Sierra...

Jeff...
> On Mar 29, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jjolson58 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Didn't some of you guess at "Ray Day" start dates? If i remember 
> correctly, a normal year's snow has May 1 be the "Ray Day."
>
> In 2005 I did a two state section hike starting at Manning on June 7. 
> The Sierra was near 200%, similar to what it is this year, and while a 
> few made it through, most either bailed or flipped to Canada where the 
> snowpack was almost nil. That really doesn't seem to be an option this 
> year as the snowpack in Washington is pretty normal.
>
> https://www.postholer.com/postholer/cache/1_swe_current.png
>
> This doesn't directly address Neil's question, but it's peripherally 
> related. I too am curious what big snow years hikers did, and what 
> your experience was like - STORY TIME!!! Piggybacking on Neil's 
> questions, I'm particularly curious what hikers in their 50s and 60s 
> did, and how they dealt with the slogging...
>
> Jeff
> Laramie, WY
>
>
>
>> On 3/29/2019 9:28 AM, Neil Lacey wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I'm trying to think/brainstorm about options for this year.
>>
>> I've committed to an April 8 start date, of course I'd love to finish 
>> but I've seen some insane snowmelt in my time, makes me hesitate.
>>
>> Plus I'm 64, in great shape for 64, but pushing straight through 
>> seems pretty risky.
>>
>> I just retired so I don't have many constraints, here are a few 
>> thoughts, I know a lot can happen between now & June.
>>
>> 1) Hike North to Tehachapi, take a break somewhere til the melt is 
>> mostly over & then head into the Sierra
>>
>> 2) Take a longer break after the desert & head southbound from the 
>> northern border
>>
>> 3) Flip North then head South depending on snow.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Neil
>
>


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From baidarker at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 13:17:35 2019
From: baidarker at gmail.com (Scott Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:17:35 +0300
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I started the PCT April 11, 2010, and we hit big snow, and 5 weeks of it
was some of the best backpacking any of us had ever done, but you may have
even more snow this year. In 2012, we left about the same time for the CDT
and just planned to really take our time across NM.  We went to KO in CA
and took any zero we felt like, and really enjoyed the NM deserts and got
to the Rockies just as the melt had made it passable. We were ready to
waste more time if necessary.

I?m 66 and for guys our age, starting slowly and building the strength of
tendons and ligaments, which take so much longer than muscle, is the key.
So I?d suggest that you really enjoy SoCal and give yourself and your body
the chance to get strong slowly. I consciously started the PCT at 10 to 12
mpd the first week, 15 to 17 the second and did not break 20s till the 3rd
week. It was really slow, but I remained uninjured. By the time we got to
Oregon, we were flying, at over 30 mpd much of the time, and it was not a
real push, and there were no breakdowns. Same on the CDT and AT, with no
breakdowns.

It?s really different to walk everyday on a long trail, than to walk in
training, 3 or 4 days per week. The worst start to a long Trail I?ve
experienced was the TA in New Zealand, where the distances between camps on
90 mile beach was 20 miles everyday from day one. I?ve never seen so many
blisters and overuse issues. I was doctoring feet every night, and the
majority of starters had quite by the end of that first week. This was on
flat, fairly solid, beach sand!

So, take the time, and break yourself in slowly in SoCal, and have a
wonderful adventure!

Shroomer.

PS, comin at ya from a hotel overlooking the Sea of Galilee on the Israel
National Trail, and it?s a fabulous walk!  The Negev is some of the best
desert hiking I?ve ever done and the north is just stunning too.  Roman
ruins one day and prehistoric hominid sites going back a million years the
next. Incredible!

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:28 PM Neil Lacey <neil.lacey at comcast.net> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm trying to think/brainstorm about options for this year.
>
> I've committed to an April 8 start date, of course I'd love to finish
> but I've seen some insane snowmelt in my time, makes me hesitate.
>
> Plus I'm 64, in great shape for 64, but pushing straight through seems
> pretty risky.
>
> I just retired so I don't have many constraints, here are a  few
> thoughts, I know a lot can happen between now & June.
>
> 1) Hike North to Tehachapi, take a break somewhere til the melt is
> mostly over & then head into the Sierra
>
> 2) Take a longer break after the desert & head southbound from the
> northern border
>
> 3) Flip North then head South depending on snow.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Neil
>
> > 7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack,
> > especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San Jacinto,
> > etc.)?
>
> On 3/29/2019 11:41 AM, Gary Schenk wrote:
> > Good morning, Sunshine.
> >
> > On Mon, March 25, 2019 9:46 am, Susan Virnig wrote:
> >> 1.  Best way to get to Tehachapi ? which airport or which Amtrak station
> >> or which bus, since I?m coming from Spokane, WA?
> > There's a bus that will drop you of at the PCT. Google Kern County
> transit.
> >> 2.  How can I find out current snow levels in Section E?  I don?t mind
> >> some snow, but don?t want a lot of postholing or the need for crampons
> and
> >> an ice axe, tho I do have micro spikes.   In Section D, Highway 2 is
> under
> >> snow, which means the PCT is under snow.  Does anyone know when it might
> >> be open?  (Tried Angeles NF and CalTrans, but couldn?t even get a
> guess.)
> >>
> > I wouldn't worry about snow in section E. Hwy 2 will probably open in
> May,
> > maybe late April It's getting warm now.
> >
> >
> >> 4. The High Desert Trail Alternate seems to be a lower alternative to
> >> being up on the slopes of Mt. Baden-Powell, from S. Fork Campground to
> >> Vincent Gap, but I can?t find going southbound where to leave the PCT to
> >> get down to S. Fork or how to get back up to Vincent Gap.  Anybody know?
> >>
> > There's a trail from Islip Saddle that goes down to South Fork. It'll be
> > snowy right now, and it's north facing. As of now, you'll be on snow long
> > before you get to Islip.
> >
> >> 5. Do I need to worry about bugs, with all this melting snow?
> >>
> > No.
> >
> >> 6.  Right now temperatures in Tehachapi and Agua Dulce are ranging from
> >> the 30s to the 60s.  In April it will warm up, but will a sun umbrella
> be
> >> worth carrying?
> >>
> > Depends on you. Not for me.
> >
> >> 7.  What are all the thru hikers doing with this incredible snow pack,
> >> especially those with permits to start in March (Mt. Laguna, San
> Jacinto,
> >> etc.)?
> > Probably bailing out.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
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From kitravensong at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 30 11:22:55 2019
From: kitravensong at hotmail.com (Kit Ravensong)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 16:22:55 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Bailing out
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When I hiked the entire PCT by myself NOBO in 1976 it was the maximum depth of snow recorded in the North Cascades around Glacier Peak. It was a lighter snow year in the Sierras, yet when I left Weldon (the start of the Sierra trek back then) and got into the high Sierras it was snow all day long outside of a few miles of trail at the low points. 

Having done the Mountaineers Basic Climbing course when I was 14-15 years old, really helped me. Before I did the PCT I had done winter mountaineering independently in the Cascade and on Mt. Rainier and became known as the ?Wild Woman?. It takes time and experience in different snow condition and terrain to make informed decisions....I?m still working on that one. The winter before last I fell into a hidden cravasse when trekking solo. I am here today because of whalers far away here my cried for help. Its fun to travel solo, yet in dangerous conditions its safest to trek together as a team. Now I carry an InReach, yet it doesn?t function in deep valleys and gorges in the north where the satellites are at an angle.

Back in ?76 other hikers looked my way in the Sierras for route finding and I did a route east of Forester. It is important as a mountaineer to consider the safest route, which may be off the PCT. Or it may mean being humble and simply turning around, like a mountaineer within feet of the summit.

Basically, it really helps to have the education and experience of winter trekking in the mountains, as well as understanding group dynamics on the trail. I?d like to point out how research demonstrates that women make the safest decisions in challenging conditions in the backcountry. Yeah Women! I think its instinctual to protect our young.

SOBOs- the temperature has warmed up here in the north Cascades. Snow is melting fast, which has triggered many avalanches. The snow should be settled down for the most part by mid-June, but you never know. It really helps to know and understand the parameters of avalanche conditions and what time of day its best to cross avalanche zones. Going early, while the snow is still hard, is safest. You?ll need good traction and an ice ax, which you know how to use. Otherwise choose an alternate lower elevation and less steep route such as Pasayten/Robinson route for SOBOs or late season NOBOs.

Have a great journey! Hope to see you all at the Hiker?s Hut at Ravensong?s Roost, (the farthest north trail angel in Mazama)

Sent from my iPhone

From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 30 13:13:41 2019
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:13:41 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] Bailing out
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Dear and Wonderful Ravensong
So nice to see your post
Everyone please pay attention to what she says. She is an expert. Nearly anyone can do this trail. It's just hiking and not going home when it get difficult. But, along the way there are things that can and do kill hikers. We lost 2 last year. Each year more and more inexperienced people attempt the trail.That is fine.  In fact it's great. But, no one is going to rescue you. Either learn before you go or use good sense out there. And understand what good sense is. Not magical thinking. Spend time in a safe situation learning how to use an ice axe. Learn how to cross a river. Learn that where the trail crosses may not be the safest place.Understand what a river that is too unsafe to cross looks like.  Be willing to hike/bushwack miles to find a safe place. Understand how to navigate with non electronic maps.Carry them and a compass.  Electronics fail. I run across so many people each year who's only mode of navigation is their non working phone. It doesn't matter how you hike--north/south/flip flop/MYTH. Finishing the whole length of the trail is remarkable. The hiking of it is life changing.  It is complete joy.  That's why we all say that we become ruined. Each spring all I can think of is how soon I can be out there again. 
See you out there and at at least one of the Gatherings in Oct. 
Marmot

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> On Mar 30, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Kit Ravensong <kitravensong at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When I hiked the entire PCT by myself NOBO in 1976 it was the maximum depth of snow recorded in the North Cascades around Glacier Peak. It was a lighter snow year in the Sierras, yet when I left Weldon (the start of the Sierra trek back then) and got into the high Sierras it was snow all day long outside of a few miles of trail at the low points. 
> 
> Having done the Mountaineers Basic Climbing course when I was 14-15 years old, really helped me. Before I did the PCT I had done winter mountaineering independently in the Cascade and on Mt. Rainier and became known as the ?Wild Woman?. It takes time and experience in different snow condition and terrain to make informed decisions....I?m still working on that one. The winter before last I fell into a hidden cravasse when trekking solo. I am here today because of whalers far away here my cried for help. Its fun to travel solo, yet in dangerous conditions its safest to trek together as a team. Now I carry an InReach, yet it doesn?t function in deep valleys and gorges in the north where the satellites are at an angle.
> 
> Back in ?76 other hikers looked my way in the Sierras for route finding and I did a route east of Forester. It is important as a mountaineer to consider the safest route, which may be off the PCT. Or it may mean being humble and simply turning around, like a mountaineer within feet of the summit.
> 
> Basically, it really helps to have the education and experience of winter trekking in the mountains, as well as understanding group dynamics on the trail. I?d like to point out how research demonstrates that women make the safest decisions in challenging conditions in the backcountry. Yeah Women! I think its instinctual to protect our young.
> 
> SOBOs- the temperature has warmed up here in the north Cascades. Snow is melting fast, which has triggered many avalanches. The snow should be settled down for the most part by mid-June, but you never know. It really helps to know and understand the parameters of avalanche conditions and what time of day its best to cross avalanche zones. Going early, while the snow is still hard, is safest. You?ll need good traction and an ice ax, which you know how to use. Otherwise choose an alternate lower elevation and less steep route such as Pasayten/Robinson route for SOBOs or late season NOBOs.
> 
> Have a great journey! Hope to see you all at the Hiker?s Hut at Ravensong?s Roost, (the farthest north trail angel in Mazama)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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