From pctl at oakapple.net  Mon Mar 16 10:12:09 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:12:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] through-hiking gets national press
Message-ID: <202003161512.02GFC9F1029454@server-f.oakapple.net>


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/16/appalachian-trail-coronavirus-backpacking/

Seems like a good year for short, self-contained, bits and pieces.

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/


From imscotty at aol.com  Mon Mar 16 20:02:31 2020
From: imscotty at aol.com (imscotty at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 01:02:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Scout & Frodo Cancel Hiker Hosting
References: <47998178.1674600.1584406951118.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47998178.1674600.1584406951118@mail.yahoo.com>

This was to be Scout & Frodo's last season anyway, but they have cancelled it early due to Corona Virus considerations.
http://sandiegopct.com

Seems like a wise choice. ?I wish them the best and thank them for their contributions to PCT hikers over the years. ?It is going o be an interesting year for PCT hikers.

From pctl at marcusschwartz.com  Mon Mar 16 20:10:46 2020
From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:10:46 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] through-hiking gets national press
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I'm in the shelter-in-place Bay Area.  One of the few forms of 
non-essential travel they still allow is hiking, oddly enough.  Just so 
long as you stay at least 6 feet from other hikers.

  -=Marcus

On 3/16/20 8:12 AM, David Hough reading PCT-L wrote:
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/16/appalachian-trail-coronavirus-backpacking/
> 
> Seems like a good year for short, self-contained, bits and pieces.
> 
> http://pcnst.oakapple.net/
> 
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From laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 16 21:42:44 2020
From: laurie_h1234 at yahoo.com (Laurie Hallum)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 02:42:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] through-hiking gets national press
In-Reply-To: <790b7b95-36a8-8f13-0097-4caea3fb71c4@marcusschwartz.com>
References: <202003161512.02GFC9F1029454@server-f.oakapple.net>
 <790b7b95-36a8-8f13-0097-4caea3fb71c4@marcusschwartz.com>
Message-ID: <737392149.1729504.1584412964798@mail.yahoo.com>

 I'm also sheltering-in-place in northern California, but may sneak out for a solitary or simi-solitary hike. ?It may be the only sane place around right now. ?Oh, I forgot... ?there's no toilet paper out there. ?LOLLady Pegasus
    On Monday, March 16, 2020, 06:11:09 PM PDT, Town Food <pctl at marcusschwartz.com> wrote:  
 
 I'm in the shelter-in-place Bay Area.? One of the few forms of 
non-essential travel they still allow is hiking, oddly enough.? Just so 
long as you stay at least 6 feet from other hikers.

? -=Marcus

On 3/16/20 8:12 AM, David Hough reading PCT-L wrote:
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/16/appalachian-trail-coronavirus-backpacking/
> 
> Seems like a good year for short, self-contained, bits and pieces.
> 
> http://pcnst.oakapple.net/
> 
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From groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net  Thu Mar 19 08:52:49 2020
From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net (William E Frenette)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:52:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Good info
In-Reply-To: <1834084196.661823.1584592819704@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAKojCp3bZEp=eHn=XyCMk2UWZ_5jyMgikYJhBC-pDKAo-Y=QOQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAA1eHgA9wK8sB7tgiLVB5zG1M8wH73K6wh-Z4+yw9ZVPG48YgA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <SN6PR04MB3966CAD32E79FAA5A01FC5BDE7F40@SN6PR04MB3966.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <1834084196.661823.1584592819704@mail.yahoo.com>
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From: Matthew Antuzzi <mattantuzzi at verizon.net>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2020
Subject: Good info
To: mattantuzzi <mattantuzzi at verizon.net>
This was sent to me by an old Navy friend and retired airline pilot.? I don't know if the below info is true, but if it is, it could be a life saver.Matt


 #yiv8151277171 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Someone may thank you?for this info!!
? ? ?Our dentist passed this info on:

Taiwanese health experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning: Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. By the time you're experiencing coughing, stiffness, or tightness, 50% of your lung tissue may already be infected and fibrotic. Please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air.

Excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That obviously is very dangerous.??

From tnx4asking at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 09:13:54 2020
From: tnx4asking at gmail.com (John Casterline)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 10:13:54 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Good info
In-Reply-To: <1298662660.530584.1584625969698@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAKojCp3bZEp=eHn=XyCMk2UWZ_5jyMgikYJhBC-pDKAo-Y=QOQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAA1eHgA9wK8sB7tgiLVB5zG1M8wH73K6wh-Z4+yw9ZVPG48YgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANp+P0UuJzztPiA13-n4Q0sipEX+UYeurwpOD_F5Nj2ust4w1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <SN6PR04MB3966CAD32E79FAA5A01FC5BDE7F40@SN6PR04MB3966.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <1834084196.661823.1584592819704@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CALyRfOL_wZY-8Dvw_RwX2fmzQm=jH9+pqO36NAtj18eDr3WSXg@mail.gmail.com>

Check any fact site and you will see that holding breath for 10 seconds is
false

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:54 AM William E Frenette <
groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> From: Matthew Antuzzi <mattantuzzi at verizon.net>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2020
> Subject: Good info
> To: mattantuzzi <mattantuzzi at verizon.net>
> This was sent to me by an old Navy friend and retired airline pilot.  I
> don't know if the below info is true, but if it is, it could be a life
> saver.Matt
>
>
>  #yiv8151277171 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Someone may thank you for
> this info!!
>      Our dentist passed this info on:
>
> Taiwanese health experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every
> morning: Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds.
> If you complete it successfully without coughing, discomfort, stiffness or
> tightness, etc., it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically
> indicates no infection. By the time you're experiencing coughing,
> stiffness, or tightness, 50% of your lung tissue may already be infected
> and fibrotic. Please self-check every morning in an environment with clean
> air.
>
> Excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone
> should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of
> water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your
> mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your
> throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all
> the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can
> enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That obviously is very dangerous.
> _______________________________________________
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Thu Mar 19 09:44:35 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:44:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] footwear
Message-ID: <202003191444.02JEiZ20029936@server-f.oakapple.net>


Getting back to business, hikers occasionally comment on my Altra Olympus
trail running shoes and Dirty Girl gaiters.

I tell them the last time I checked - several years ago - Altras and
Dirty Girls were part of the outfit of PCT through hikers.    I've never
through hiked the PCT, but if you get an outfit you can be a through hiker too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fYCvA-G9Iw

It was Altra Lone Peaks at that time.    I tried a pair and decided the
intimate trail feel was more of an issue than the slight extra weight, so
based on some advice from this list, switched to Altra Olympus which are
similar but with thicker soles, though still zero-drop.

That was then.    Has the herd consensus moved on these days?

Here are the websites if you need them 

https://www.altrarunning.com         you can get them from REI too

https://dirtygirlgaiters.com/		they play well with Altras


And more to the moment -

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/19/recreate-in-place-how-people-are-safely-getting-outside-to-exercise-in-the-coronavirus-age/


And the alternative to through hiking, bits and pieces -

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/



From rgraybill44 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 14:19:18 2020
From: rgraybill44 at gmail.com (Ron Graybill)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:19:18 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Section Hike: 568-600
Message-ID: <CAEnMNWUsCz_x-=N-6EFm03ryitCzP9_u2WyytvvPyewr+VBs_g@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a section-hiker partner for a three day 32 mile southbound hike
from Mile 600 (Jawbone Canyon Road) down to 568 (Highway 58, Cameron Exit,
near Tehachapi) Easter weekend, if Jawbone Canyon Road is passable on April
10.
Stay overnight in Tehachapi hotel Thursday night, April 9.  Trail Angel
takes us up to Mile 600 early Friday. Camp 2 nights on the trail, Trail
Angel picks us up at Highway 58 Sunday afternoon.

Ronald "Slo-Charger" Graybill
3290 E Yountville Drive, Unit 13
Ontario, California, 91761
rgraybill44 at gmail.com
(909) 910-9339

From JimLBanks at verizon.net  Thu Mar 19 14:38:05 2020
From: JimLBanks at verizon.net (JimLBanks at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:38:05 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] footwear
In-Reply-To: <202003191444.02JEiZ20029936@server-f.oakapple.net>
References: <202003191444.02JEiZ20029936@server-f.oakapple.net>
Message-ID: <000e01d5fe25$ea4122c0$bec36840$@verizon.net>

Hi David, I also started with Lone Peaks and then switched to the Olympus
for a little more cushion.  The initial buzz over Altras has died down, but
from my own observations from section hiking and being on the trail doing
maintenance I still see many hikers wearing them, maybe a majority, and lots
of Dirty Girl gaiters.  Anyone deciding to go with the Altra zero drop heel
should give themselves plenty of time to get used to them, it can take a
little adjusting.  I am to the point that now I can't wear any other kind of
shoe.  The wide actual foot shaped design is so comfortable, why did it take
shoe manufacturers so long to come up with this?  Altra is suppose to come
out with the new version of the Olympus in July, but with the shut down in
China I suspect it will be delayed.

I-Beam

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> On Behalf Of David Hough reading
PCT-L
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 7:45 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] footwear


Getting back to business, hikers occasionally comment on my Altra Olympus
trail running shoes and Dirty Girl gaiters.

I tell them the last time I checked - several years ago - Altras and
Dirty Girls were part of the outfit of PCT through hikers.    I've never
through hiked the PCT, but if you get an outfit you can be a through hiker
too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fYCvA-G9Iw

It was Altra Lone Peaks at that time.    I tried a pair and decided the
intimate trail feel was more of an issue than the slight extra weight, so
based on some advice from this list, switched to Altra Olympus which are
similar but with thicker soles, though still zero-drop.

That was then.    Has the herd consensus moved on these days?

Here are the websites if you need them 

https://www.altrarunning.com         you can get them from REI too

https://dirtygirlgaiters.com/		they play well with Altras


And more to the moment -

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/19/recreate-in-place-how-people-are-safe
ly-getting-outside-to-exercise-in-the-coronavirus-age/


And the alternative to through hiking, bits and pieces -

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/


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From pctl at marcusschwartz.com  Thu Mar 19 15:49:09 2020
From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:49:09 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] footwear
In-Reply-To: <000e01d5fe25$ea4122c0$bec36840$@verizon.net>
References: <202003191444.02JEiZ20029936@server-f.oakapple.net>
 <000e01d5fe25$ea4122c0$bec36840$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <82153cf6-d49c-a1e8-33b4-0c76c09a9698@marcusschwartz.com>

On my thru-hike in 2016, I used the Lone Peaks, and I did find the lack 
of padding to be an issue with the factory insoles in rocky areas like 
the High Sierras and areas with lava rock.  Actually, the factory 
insoles were so thin and squishy I wouldn't consider them appropriate 
for more than weekend trips.

Certain aftermarket insoles were better than others -- green Superfeet 
were okay, some kind of cork thing I got in Shasta City was bad, but the 
grey "Sole"-brand insoles, were terrific.  Even Oregon lava rock was not 
much of an issue with those.

I'm not sure how much that affected weight -- perhaps my Lone Peaks plus 
aftermarket insoles were heavier than an Olympus, I've never used the 
later.  But I was very pleased with the results, and was not about to 
mess with a system that give me no blisters at reasonable weight.

Maybe I'll try Olympus as my next pair, but Altra seems to consistently 
do some things wrong (e.g. the toe always delaminates), so I'd be 
suspicious that any factory insole from them would be inadequate for 
long distances.

  -=Town Food

On 3/19/20 12:38 PM, JimLBanks at verizon.net wrote:
> Hi David, I also started with Lone Peaks and then switched to the Olympus
> for a little more cushion.  The initial buzz over Altras has died down, but
> from my own observations from section hiking and being on the trail doing
> maintenance I still see many hikers wearing them, maybe a majority, and lots
> of Dirty Girl gaiters.  Anyone deciding to go with the Altra zero drop heel
> should give themselves plenty of time to get used to them, it can take a
> little adjusting.  I am to the point that now I can't wear any other kind of
> shoe.  The wide actual foot shaped design is so comfortable, why did it take
> shoe manufacturers so long to come up with this?  Altra is suppose to come
> out with the new version of the Olympus in July, but with the shut down in
> China I suspect it will be delayed.
> 
> I-Beam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> On Behalf Of David Hough reading
> PCT-L
> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 7:45 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] footwear
> 
> 
> Getting back to business, hikers occasionally comment on my Altra Olympus
> trail running shoes and Dirty Girl gaiters.
> 
> I tell them the last time I checked - several years ago - Altras and
> Dirty Girls were part of the outfit of PCT through hikers.    I've never
> through hiked the PCT, but if you get an outfit you can be a through hiker
> too.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fYCvA-G9Iw
> 
> It was Altra Lone Peaks at that time.    I tried a pair and decided the
> intimate trail feel was more of an issue than the slight extra weight, so
> based on some advice from this list, switched to Altra Olympus which are
> similar but with thicker soles, though still zero-drop.
> 
> That was then.    Has the herd consensus moved on these days?
> 
> Here are the websites if you need them
> 
> https://www.altrarunning.com         you can get them from REI too
> 
> https://dirtygirlgaiters.com/		they play well with Altras
> 
> 
> And more to the moment -
> 
> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/19/recreate-in-place-how-people-are-safe
> ly-getting-outside-to-exercise-in-the-coronavirus-age/
> 
> 
> And the alternative to through hiking, bits and pieces -
> 
> http://pcnst.oakapple.net/
> 
> 
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From pctl at oakapple.net  Thu Mar 19 17:37:08 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] alone or lonely on the trail?
Message-ID: <202003192237.02JMb8rs025780@server-f.oakapple.net>


This note is inspired by -

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/opinion/coronavirus-loneliness.html

which reminded me that while I have often felt lonely, typically being
alone in a strange city, I've never felt lonely while alone on the trail.
Perhaps I'm just too consumed by achieving my plan for the day, enough miles,
good campsite, enough water...    

I have noticed that the few good photos I've taken were typically when I
was hiking alone.   Though I missed many more good photo opportunities
hurrying along to make it to camp before dark.

When I was doing my Camino, I had off and on trail partners.    When they
were with me, I appreciated the backup - somebody to watch my pack while I
was in the toilet.    When they weren't, I appreciated the ability to stop
and start and detour when and where I wanted on a whim.    Most of all
I appreciated the variety of alternating being alone and being not alone.

From virgil at baloney.com  Fri Mar 20 16:09:57 2020
From: virgil at baloney.com (virgil)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:09:57 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their thru
 hikes this year.
Message-ID: <202003201409.57782.virgil@baloney.com>

If everybody is going to stay home.... 
It sounds like a great year to do a thru-hike, no crowds! ;-)


From rgraybill44 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 16:36:15 2020
From: rgraybill44 at gmail.com (Ron Graybill)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:36:15 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their
 thru hikes this year.
In-Reply-To: <202003201409.57782.virgil@baloney.com>
References: <202003201409.57782.virgil@baloney.com>
Message-ID: <CAEnMNWVAa3=30GkXSP11=RML8_Eb8G7djSTLP_AGhURjTkLMLw@mail.gmail.com>

Of course Trail Angels may be a little less inclined to help the
renegades.  Is the PCT Association cancelling all permits?  Forest Rangers
may learn that if it happens.  Some hikers may forge ahead.  Will be
interesting to hear their stories--if they dare to confess!
Ron "Slo-Charger" Graybill


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 2:10 PM virgil <virgil at baloney.com> wrote:

> If everybody is going to stay home....
> It sounds like a great year to do a thru-hike, no crowds! ;-)
>
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From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 16:47:28 2020
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (Neil Lacey)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:47:28 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their
 thru hikes this year.
In-Reply-To: <CAEnMNWVAa3=30GkXSP11=RML8_Eb8G7djSTLP_AGhURjTkLMLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <202003201409.57782.virgil@baloney.com>
 <CAEnMNWVAa3=30GkXSP11=RML8_Eb8G7djSTLP_AGhURjTkLMLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f9d9ba5-71e1-8b50-a863-d9984f093bc0@comcast.net>

Every hitch will be a tough hitch!

(Just postponed my CDT hike)

N

On 3/20/2020 5:36 PM, Ron Graybill wrote:
> Of course Trail Angels may be a little less inclined to help the
> renegades.  Is the PCT Association cancelling all permits?  Forest Rangers
> may learn that if it happens.  Some hikers may forge ahead.  Will be
> interesting to hear their stories--if they dare to confess!
> Ron "Slo-Charger" Graybill
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 2:10 PM virgil <virgil at baloney.com> wrote:
>
>> If everybody is going to stay home....
>> It sounds like a great year to do a thru-hike, no crowds! ;-)
>>
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From pctl at marcusschwartz.com  Fri Mar 20 17:40:48 2020
From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:40:48 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their
 thru hikes this year.
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No, the post on their site says the trail is open, and permits are still 
valid.  They just urge everyone to cancel, so as to avoid spreading the 
disease from town to town down the trail.  The issue is going from town 
to town, not hiking itself.

Maybe it would be a good time for yoyoing a small section, with no 
resupplies.  That would basically just amount to serious, hardcore 
social distancing.  Most people are supposed to keep 6 feet of distance 
from another person... a hiker can one-up that to 6 miles, no problem.

  -=Marcus

On 3/20/20 2:36 PM, Ron Graybill wrote:
> Of course Trail Angels may be a little less inclined to help the
> renegades.  Is the PCT Association cancelling all permits?  Forest Rangers
> may learn that if it happens.  Some hikers may forge ahead.  Will be
> interesting to hear their stories--if they dare to confess!
> Ron "Slo-Charger" Graybill
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 2:10 PM virgil <virgil at baloney.com> wrote:
> 
>> If everybody is going to stay home....
>> It sounds like a great year to do a thru-hike, no crowds! ;-)
>>
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From richardb10 at live.com  Fri Mar 20 18:06:32 2020
From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:06:32 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] footwear
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Hi All,

This is likely moot now but in 2015 I started with Hokas and loved the
cushioning but not the toe box. I had Lone Peaks to Echo Lake and loved the
toe box but my Achilles not so much.  From Echo Lake on I went through four
pair of Brooks Cascadia 10, obviously the best shoe for me, but everyone's
feet are different.  

Please be safe!

Roadwalker

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
JimLBanks at verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:38 PM
To: 'David Hough reading PCT-L'; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] footwear

Hi David, I also started with Lone Peaks and then switched to the Olympus
for a little more cushion.  The initial buzz over Altras has died down, but
from my own observations from section hiking and being on the trail doing
maintenance I still see many hikers wearing them, maybe a majority, and lots
of Dirty Girl gaiters.  Anyone deciding to go with the Altra zero drop heel
should give themselves plenty of time to get used to them, it can take a
little adjusting.  I am to the point that now I can't wear any other kind of
shoe.  The wide actual foot shaped design is so comfortable, why did it take
shoe manufacturers so long to come up with this?  Altra is suppose to come
out with the new version of the Olympus in July, but with the shut down in
China I suspect it will be delayed.

I-Beam

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net> On Behalf Of David Hough reading
PCT-L
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 7:45 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] footwear


Getting back to business, hikers occasionally comment on my Altra Olympus
trail running shoes and Dirty Girl gaiters.

I tell them the last time I checked - several years ago - Altras and
Dirty Girls were part of the outfit of PCT through hikers.    I've never
through hiked the PCT, but if you get an outfit you can be a through hiker
too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fYCvA-G9Iw

It was Altra Lone Peaks at that time.    I tried a pair and decided the
intimate trail feel was more of an issue than the slight extra weight, so
based on some advice from this list, switched to Altra Olympus which are
similar but with thicker soles, though still zero-drop.

That was then.    Has the herd consensus moved on these days?

Here are the websites if you need them 

https://www.altrarunning.com         you can get them from REI too

https://dirtygirlgaiters.com/		they play well with Altras


And more to the moment -

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/19/recreate-in-place-how-people-are-safe
ly-getting-outside-to-exercise-in-the-coronavirus-age/


And the alternative to through hiking, bits and pieces -

http://pcnst.oakapple.net/


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From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 20 18:25:49 2020
From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 23:25:49 +0000
Subject: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their
 thru hikes this year.
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I wish this were true but there?s more to think about. Please understand the impact you could have if you pass on the virus from town to town. Maybe ,at the very least, consider starting the the hike later than normal at a place where you might have reached if you had started when you planned. And then do a flip-flop. As much as it is hard to imagine, it will make no difference about how you feel about the hike. I?ve walked across the country 5 times. Thru-hikes ,Myths, section hikes have made it clear to me that there is no one way or best way to do a long distance hike. It?s much more honorable to look clearly at the situation ,make decisions based on doing the least amount of harm and do the hike in a way you can be truly proud. At this time that means staying off the trail. It?s not a joke or something to not take seriously. You could be now or become contagious and not be aware.
It?s impossible to stay clean out there. You will not be able to do what is needed if you touch a contaminated surface. That could even be a smooth rock or a faucet or a sink in the MacDonald?s at hwy 15. 
The plane, bus or train trip could be your exposure point. Right now ,so that more people don?t die, this virus needs to be contained. The next person to die could be your mother or grandmother. 
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:10 PM, virgil <virgil at baloney.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If everybody is going to stay home.... 
> It sounds like a great year to do a thru-hike, no crowds! ;-)
> 
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From richardb10 at live.com  Fri Mar 20 19:10:37 2020
From: richardb10 at live.com (Richard Brinkman)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:10:37 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their
 thru hikes this year.
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Thank you Marmot!

Let's please not be the spring breakers on the Florida beach ("If I get corona I get corona")  We all have people's lives in our hands.  The risk is too great, and I fear it is going to get much worse and that our hospitals are going to be overrun.

Roadwalker

-----Original Message-----
From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of marmot marmot
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:26 PM
To: virgil; PCT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their thru hikes this year.

I wish this were true but there?s more to think about. Please understand the impact you could have if you pass on the virus from town to town. Maybe ,at the very least, consider starting the the hike later than normal at a place where you might have reached if you had started when you planned. And then do a flip-flop. As much as it is hard to imagine, it will make no difference about how you feel about the hike. I?ve walked across the country 5 times. Thru-hikes ,Myths, section hikes have made it clear to me that there is no one way or best way to do a long distance hike. It?s much more honorable to look clearly at the situation ,make decisions based on doing the least amount of harm and do the hike in a way you can be truly proud. At this time that means staying off the trail. It?s not a joke or something to not take seriously. You could be now or become contagious and not be aware.
It?s impossible to stay clean out there. You will not be able to do what is needed if you touch a contaminated surface. That could even be a smooth rock or a faucet or a sink in the MacDonald?s at hwy 15. 
The plane, bus or train trip could be your exposure point. Right now ,so that more people don?t die, this virus needs to be contained. The next person to die could be your mother or grandmother. 
Marmot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:10 PM, virgil <virgil at baloney.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If everybody is going to stay home.... 
> It sounds like a great year to do a thru-hike, no crowds! ;-)
> 
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From jjolson58 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 19:59:25 2020
From: jjolson58 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Olson)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 18:59:25 -0600
Subject: [pct-l] pctl IS ALIVE again...
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It's great to see a couple posts on this almost defunct listserv. My 
guess there are few, if any of us who are under 50 years old.

I no longer aspire to long distance hiking - I'm 67.? I was 43 when I 
joined the listserv - 1995 I think it was.? I think I could work myself 
back into shape, but I have lost the focus to do so.? In 2005 it took 
about six weeks for me to get up to a 20 mpd average.? That was a low 
snow year in Washington and I headed south.? I carried snow shoes and 
left them by the side of the trail just south of Harts Pass.? I bowed to 
them, and was so glad to have lost the four or five pounds.

Because of family stuff, I left the trail at Santiam Pass.? I started 
north again at Burney Falls.? That lasted for a couple days.

David Hough's post about being lonely compared to being alone hit the 
nail on the head.? I was hyped to hike again after dealing with the 
family stuff.? I was still in shape after a month.? I have a distinct 
memory of hiking 20 miles and being done at 3PM - I reached my goal for 
the day.? Rather than continuing to hike, I set up camp and sat there.? 
I was dry camping - I had three quarts of water to carry me through the 
night and morning.? AFter the family stuff I was living at my nerve's 
edges.? It wasn't loneliness - it was the stark realization I was alive 
and doing what I wanted, and I wasn't "comfortable" with it.? Weird.

I think there is another dimension involved in long distance hiking that 
gets lost in black/white distinctions.? To be sure we feel lonely, 
longing for family, mate, partner, friends.? I think that most of us 
work through that to feeling alone.? That's a whole other dimension that 
first time felt, makes us feel like we're an adolescent again.? Being 
alone in modern day America is a space that has to be discovered, 
usually by chance.

The distinction between lonely and being alone is profound.? Once worked 
through, the exploration of being-alone is even more extensive, more 
rife with possibility.

I know I've left a long hike - planned for a couple months - because I 
felt lonely.? In an important sense, the experience "girded my loins" 
and set me up to move to feeling alone, day after day.? I don't think 
I've ever been comfortable being alone on the trail. But this is the 
challenge, isn't it?? Being along for any length of time, apart from 
internet and social media now is a real anomaly.

I haven't attempted a long distance hike - I define that as a month or 
more, and that's totally personal/individual - since 2005.? 15 years of 
following the discussions here, and then joining the facebook groups, 
mostly filled with youngsters querying about gear. It's been a couple 
years since I hung out on a facebook pct group. I got the excitement, 
but couldn't share it.

I have to ask myself why.? I'm retired.? I have a decent income from 
social security and 401k stuff.

Why did I lose the anticipation of the opportunity to start hiking and 
do so for a month or two or longer?? Sure, I had a knee replaced, the 
other reamed out.? My back has been an issue for 40 years, and flames up 
at awkward times.? I'm overweight, and I live in a 140 year old, balloon 
framed house I tore to the studs and am rebuilding.?? While ripping out 
lathe and plaster last fall I pulled/tore my sartorious muscle.

Lots of reasons.? Right now I'm healthy - no structural problems or 
muscle crap.

I've read Marmot's stuff for years.? She's pretty amazing - the just do 
it, enjoy ethos.

I feel a bit of the anticipation, again.? Is the flutter enough???

Jeffrey Olson
Laramie, WY

On 3/20/2020 6:10 PM, Richard Brinkman wrote:
> Thank you Marmot!
>
> Let's please not be the spring breakers on the Florida beach ("If I get corona I get corona")  We all have people's lives in our hands.  The risk is too great, and I fear it is going to get much worse and that our hospitals are going to be overrun.
>
> Roadwalker
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of marmot marmot
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:26 PM
> To: virgil; PCT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA is recommending folks postpone or cancel their thru hikes this year.
>
> I wish this were true but there?s more to think about. Please understand the impact you could have if you pass on the virus from town to town. Maybe ,at the very least, consider starting the the hike later than normal at a place where you might have reached if you had started when you planned. And then do a flip-flop. As much as it is hard to imagine, it will make no difference about how you feel about the hike. I?ve walked across the country 5 times. Thru-hikes ,Myths, section hikes have made it clear to me that there is no one way or best way to do a long distance hike. It?s much more honorable to look clearly at the situation ,make decisions based on doing the least amount of harm and do the hike in a way you can be truly proud. At this time that means staying off the trail. It?s not a joke or something to not take seriously. You could be now or become contagious and not be aware.
> It?s impossible to stay clean out there. You will not be able to do what is needed if you touch a contaminated surface. That could even be a smooth rock or a faucet or a sink in the MacDonald?s at hwy 15.
> The plane, bus or train trip could be your exposure point. Right now ,so that more people don?t die, this virus needs to be contained. The next person to die could be your mother or grandmother.
> Marmot
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:10 PM, virgil <virgil at baloney.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?If everybody is going to stay home....
>> It sounds like a great year to do a thru-hike, no crowds! ;-)
>>
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From neil.lacey at comcast.net  Fri Mar 20 21:19:40 2020
From: neil.lacey at comcast.net (Neil Lacey)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 22:19:40 -0400
Subject: [pct-l] pctl IS ALIVE again...
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Since the list is alive ...

About a year ago I posted looking for ideas about how to deal with the 
high snow levels in the Sierra and got some great feedback from folks. 
So, here's how things went.

I started out on April 7 at Scout and Frodo's, they picked me up at the 
airport, provided dinner and breakfast, and a ride to the start the next 
morning. I'm just amazed at their kindness/generosity.

It had been a wet winter, water and wildflowers were abundant. A perfect 
year to hike southern California, it was incredibly beautiful. I had 
heard stories about crowding, partying, TP everywhere but as it turned 
out none of this was an issue. I mostly hiked alone through the day 
(being old & slow), and sometimes camped with others.? A couple of times 
camping spots were busy around water sources but it was easy enough to 
just move on a bit and find a place to pitch a tent. I met so many 
interesting folks from Germany, France, the UK, South Africa, Israel, 
Korea, China, India, Australia, New Zealand, and all over the US. I got 
to experience Hiker Heaven (Heather Anderson was there doing laundry!) 
and Casa de Luna before they shut down!

Anyway, about the snow, everyone was stressing about what to do. I wound 
up leaving Kennedy Meadows with 2 other older guys, Tim at 53, me at 64, 
and Elusive at 75. Elusive would head out early in the morning (yeah 
slower than me, but one tough cookie) and Tim and I would catch him 
later in the day.? A couple days out, an icy morning an a steep 
traverse, we stop to put on traction, Tim's crampon comes off, he drops 
his hiking pole, reaches for it, and goes head first down the slope into 
some rocks.? He's banged up pretty bad but can walk and winds up going 
off trail at Lone Pine for surgery on his hand.? Elusive and I head back 
out, up and over Forester Pass, it's spectacular! But the melt is on big 
time.? Early the next morning, he realizes he can't see, gone snow 
blind, but better after taking a zero, and we go out over Kearsarge 
Pass, and Elusive is done, heading home for a dentist.? I'm having a 
tough time in Bishop deciding what to do but wind up taking a bus up to 
Chester.

To make a long story short, the snow's not bad and the miles start 
clicking by, hit the border 3rd week of August then south from Chester 
back to Kearsarge Pass 3rd week of September.

Plan was to start the CDT April 23 ... but COVID-19, next year.

Thanks y'all
Neil aka Goldfish

From imscotty at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 23:36:05 2020
From: imscotty at aol.com (imscotty at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 04:36:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pct-l] Trip report
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Great Trip Report Goldfish. ?It is always good to hear some feedback. ?Congratulations on your hike.

From walkinglarry at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 13:57:13 2020
From: walkinglarry at gmail.com (Larry Hillberg)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:57:13 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] pctl IS ALIVE again
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I am always happy to see this come around.  I've learned a lot from this
list.

Postponing or cancelling a thru hike would be difficult and dramatic.  But
IMHO, 2020 would not be wise.  This virus is serious!  At 77, I am square
in the gun sight. My defense?  I practice distancing and cleanliness.  I
mostly stay at home.  When I go out, I assume that I have it already and so
do all who come near me.

I don't see how a thru hiker could either protect themselves or protect
others.  The logistics simply prevent it.  And I believe also that a 2020
thru hike would not allow the freedom, the adventure, or the rewards hoped
for and expected.

I did a thru hike in 2002.  The year was average, neither too much snow nor
too little.  No part of the trail was missed due to fires or weather.  300
or so started, 125 or so finished.  We all could choose between solitude
and companionship.  There was no need to flip flop.  I consider myself very
lucky.

For those who believe the opportunity will never come again, note that I
was 60 years old.  I was not the oldest to thru hike that year.  The
opportunity will come again, and if it doesn't seem right, just do it
anyway.  Pick the year and wrap your life around it.

The two rare and powerful emotions - anticipation and awe - will be
abundant whenever you hike. Choose a year when they are more likely.  It's
okay to be 10 minutes late to Canada.  Or 10 years.

But do it.

Lights Out Larry

From barg at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 21 14:37:53 2020
From: barg at shaw.ca (Marvin and Shirley Barg)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:37:53 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 128, Issue 5 Jeffrey Olsen Lament
Message-ID: <000001d5ffb8$376bba90$a6432fb0$@shaw.ca>

"I have to ask myself why.? I'm retired.? I have a decent income from social
security and 401k stuff.

Why did I lose the anticipation of the opportunity to start hiking and do so
for a month or two or longer?? Sure, I had a knee replaced, the other reamed
out.? My back has been an issue for 40 years, and flames up at awkward
times.? I'm overweight, and I live in a 140 year old, balloon framed house I
tore to the studs and am rebuilding.?? While ripping out lathe and plaster
last fall I pulled/tore my sartorious muscle.

Lots of reasons.? Right now I'm healthy - no structural problems or muscle
crap.

I've read Marmot's stuff for years.? She's pretty amazing - the just do it,
enjoy ethos.

I feel a bit of the anticipation, again.? Is the flutter enough???

Jeffrey Olson
Laramie, WY"

Jeffrey, how well you have described my frame of mind!

After a lifetime of longing, in 2008 age 57, I took an LOA and began a PCT
thu NOBO. All was going great UNTIL...I met my adult kids (sans their
spouses and children) and wife and left the trail at Kennedy Meadows south
for 5 days at Disneyland. I was just like the old days with the 30ish
children quickly reverting to their teenage selves. It was glorious! When
the family dropped my off, I was gutted emotionally and not much later,
physically. Two weeks later and well into clinical depression, I left the
PCT at Mammoth. Oh, how I've tried to return since then, only to be thwarted
by crippling anxiety despite the so-called freedom of retirement and
relative financial security!

It took 12 years to work through most of the psych issues dogging me since
2008. Coupled with the loss of about 30 lbs, 2020 was going to be the year.
Not anymore, of course. But should I come through the next year with my
health, the 'flutter' will be enough next spring. Grampa Kilt




From jklmck at aol.com  Sun Mar 22 14:13:28 2020
From: jklmck at aol.com (jklmck)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:13:28 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Anticipation
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1584904418.662.pct-l@backcountry.net>

Larry, Jeffrey,? MarvinMy favorite emails to read have been from the list.? Never writing...always reading.? ?But to keep it alive? we must write, si here goes.One of my sayings is "Anticipation is half the fun."? ?I have long wanted to thru hike but have only done the first 400 miles in one go.? That?was in 2014.? Now I think about sections.? I am 65, my husband is 70 today.? ?Will we go?again?? Only time and determination will tell.? But I still say, "Anticipation is half the fun" (maybe even more than half).? ?So?enjoy what you are feeling,? and know that you already are experiencing half the fun.? ?See you on the trail next year?!?Jennymack aka Old SchoolSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

From pctl at oakapple.net  Tue Mar 24 11:17:39 2020
From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pct-l] hiker go home!
Message-ID: <202003241617.02OGHdae025233@server-f.oakapple.net>


Even people with vacation homes!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/hiking-coronavirus-national-parks-communities/2020/03/24/7cd516d4-6d32-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html