From pctl at oakapple.net Mon Aug 1 00:14:01 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 22:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] so much for redoing section Q this year Message-ID: <202208010514.2715E1vU018143@server-f.oakapple.net> Looks like more trail work will be required - https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/07/30/map-mckinney-fire-evacuations-in-northern-california-very-dynamic-day-expected/ Despite valiant efforts, the trail seems to be losing the battle with the elements in Q. 15 years ago I thought it was overgrown and underlogged - https://pcnst.oakapple.net/photo/nc-pct/q/ But I had no idea then how bad it would be by last year. The pleasant backpacking season between too much snow and too much smoke seems to be getting shorter every year, throughout the high country of California. But maybe I can redo the stretch from Bucks Summit down to Belden and up to Humbug Summit. This area usually seems to be on fire by now but so far seems to be passable this year. If it can keep from combusting this weekend from dry lightning, it might be OK next weekend. From tokencivilian at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 14:12:53 2022 From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com (Barry Teschlog) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pct-l] so much for redoing section Q this year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <131840930.2780843.1659381173891@mail.yahoo.com> Statement:"Despite valiant efforts, the trail seems to be losing the battle with the elements in Q.? ? 15 years ago I thought it was overgrown and underlogged -" Reply:FYI, not that it'll matter if it burns but..... About 12 miles of the PCT in Section Q was brushed out these last 2 years, near Seiad Valley. Last year, a PCTA volunteer crew from the North 350 Blades Chapter cleared about 2.5 miles of brush centered at a point about 8 trail miles from the beginning of the road walk, so south of Seiad.? We'd also chainsawed out about 1.5 miles of blowdown. In May of 2022, that same volunteer PCTA North 350 Blades crew returned and cleared ~3.6 miles going north, starting from the road.? This cleared out the brush and the worst of the poison oak.? 1/3 of the crew suffered badly from poison oak in the process.? The local volunteers had already cleared the logs in this direction. Starting before the PCTA crew arrived and worked north, a California Conservation Corps crew worked south, clearing brush.? In total over about 3 weeks, they cleared about 6 trail miles, starting from the beginning of the road walk working south.? ?That leaves about a mile of brush to clear to join up with the 2021 work.?? The PCTA crew is considering heading back for a 3rd year and doing more. If the PCTA crew had more people, they could do a lot more - In 2021 is was only 5 and this year was only 6.? Power saws make the work go quickly.? The Washington based volunteers are looking to go back again in 2023.? Not sure if we'll work the north or south sides, there's plenty of work to go around.? But if they worked the south side, we'd likely go back to where we were in 2021, brush to "tie in" with what the CCC's did, then push south toward the Wilderness boundary with the brush and chain saws. From pctl at oakapple.net Mon Aug 1 17:23:33 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] so much for redoing section Q this year Message-ID: <202208012223.271MNXF4026460@server-f.oakapple.net> Sunday's news - buses for hikers https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/07/31/mckinney-fire-department-updates-siskiyou-county-yreka-california-evacuation/10195534002/ Aside from that, it's great to know that progress was being made on the trail! Thanks due to the North 350 Blades for helping out. I was remembering what I reported in June last year: > In and out hike north from Grider Creek Campground until I > got discouraged after about 1.25 miles and turned around. Grider Creek > is big but not convenient to get to. No Name Creek > was running. Deadfall trees were not a problem but the brush was > extremely thick, though it was not hard to follow the trail. Lots of poison > oak. > Through hikers that night, camped at the Mid-River RV Park, asked if I > intended to go south on the PCT from Grider Creek Campground, and said don't > do it. I'd already had enough. Here's the whole recent story - > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:53 +0000 (UTC) > From: Barry Teschlog > About 12 miles of the PCT in Section Q was brushed out these last 2 years, near Seiad Valley. > Last year, a PCTA volunteer crew from the North 350 Blades Chapter cleared about 2.5 miles of brush centered at a point about 8 trail miles from the beginning of the road walk, so south of Seiad.?? We'd also chainsawed out about 1.5 miles of blowdown. > In May of 2022, that same volunteer PCTA North 350 Blades crew returned and cleared ~3.6 miles going north, starting from the road.?? This cleared out the brush and the worst of the poison oak.?? 1/3 of the crew suffered badly from poison oak in the process.?? The local volunteers had already cleared the logs in this direction. > Starting before the PCTA crew arrived and worked north, a California Conservation Corps crew worked south, clearing brush.?? In total over about 3 weeks, they cleared about 6 trail miles, starting from the beginning of the road walk working south.?? ?? That leaves about a mile of brush to clear to join up with the 2021 work.???? > The PCTA crew is considering heading back for a 3rd year and doing more. > If the PCTA crew had more people, they could do a lot more - In 2021 is was only 5 and this year was only 6.?? Power saws make the work go quickly.?? The Washington based volunteers are looking to go back again in 2023.?? Not sure if we'll work the north or south sides, there's plenty of work to go around.?? But if they worked the south side, we'd likely go back to where we were in 2021, brush to "tie in" with what the CCC's did, then push south toward the Wilderness boundary with the brush and chain saws. Best of luck to all these energetic volunteers! From gary at hbfun.org Mon Aug 1 19:38:31 2022 From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:38:31 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] so much for redoing section Q this year In-Reply-To: <131840930.2780843.1659381173891@mail.yahoo.com> References: <131840930.2780843.1659381173891@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: THIS is trail magic! On 2022-08-01 12:12, Barry Teschlog wrote: > Statement:"Despite valiant efforts, the trail seems to be losing the > battle with the > elements in Q.? ? 15 years ago I thought it was overgrown and > underlogged -" > Reply:FYI, not that it'll matter if it burns but..... > About 12 miles of the PCT in Section Q was brushed out these last 2 > years, near Seiad Valley. > Last year, a PCTA volunteer crew from the North 350 Blades Chapter > cleared about 2.5 miles of brush centered at a point about 8 trail > miles from the beginning of the road walk, so south of Seiad.? We'd > also chainsawed out about 1.5 miles of blowdown. > In May of 2022, that same volunteer PCTA North 350 Blades crew > returned and cleared ~3.6 miles going north, starting from the road.? > This cleared out the brush and the worst of the poison oak.? 1/3 of > the crew suffered badly from poison oak in the process.? The local > volunteers had already cleared the logs in this direction. > Starting before the PCTA crew arrived and worked north, a California > Conservation Corps crew worked south, clearing brush.? In total over > about 3 weeks, they cleared about 6 trail miles, starting from the > beginning of the road walk working south.? ?That leaves about a mile > of brush to clear to join up with the 2021 work.?? > The PCTA crew is considering heading back for a 3rd year and doing > more. > If the PCTA crew had more people, they could do a lot more - In 2021 > is was only 5 and this year was only 6.? Power saws make the work go > quickly.? The Washington based volunteers are looking to go back again > in 2023.? Not sure if we'll work the north or south sides, there's > plenty of work to go around.? But if they worked the south side, we'd > likely go back to where we were in 2021, brush to "tie in" with what > the CCC's did, then push south toward the Wilderness boundary with the > brush and chain saws. From marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com Sat Aug 6 15:18:51 2022 From: marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com (marmot marmot) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 20:18:51 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] Route Message-ID: I have a good friend on the PCT trying to finish the trail in Oregon. Mile 1848 to 1908 is closed. Does anyone know an alternative route even a road walk around that closure? He is near there now so if you know of anything he needs an answer soon. I?m not sure but it might be a closure from last years fires not current. Thank you in advance Marmot Sent from my iPhone From mrjenn at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 16:06:07 2022 From: mrjenn at hotmail.com (william jennings) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 21:06:07 +0000 Subject: [pct-l] 60 mile Oregon closure. Message-ID: PCTA trail information specialist? Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device Get Outlook for Android From pctl at oakapple.net Mon Aug 8 08:52:44 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 06:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] adventures on section M Message-ID: <202208081352.278DqiXg008865@server-f.oakapple.net> In the hopes of completing my rehike of M, over the last two days I went from Silver Lake to Belden. The PCT is in great shape - no obstacles to stock, just a few trees down easily bypassed. The Granite Gap trail from Silver Lake to PCT is also in good shape - described online as "faint, hot, and steep" I can confirm it is steep - lots of granite steps - and would be hot on a still day but I had a refreshing breeze. It is no longer faint - I met several parties in a couple of hours on Saturday. Three Lakes merit a whole separate message. Here's the water report for Sat and Sun - nomenclature and mileages from Halfmile 2019 - ClearCreekSpring running clear at trail ClearCreek seasonal headwaters still running clear at trail ClearCreek2 running strong and perennial. The nearby campsites look pretty sad. Just over the creek there was one good looking campsite among boulders. Last year's fire damange is everywhere. WA1278 shallow lily pond still lots of water BreckenFernSpring - no water at trail, I didn't go looking for it. WA1282 seasonal spring - still tricking out of iron spout, about a liter a minute maybe. Easy access. CanyonViewSpring via short trail - running clear about 2-3 liters a minute but awkward to access. No water at trail. David Hough From pctl at oakapple.net Mon Aug 8 09:05:52 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] section M - Three Lakes Message-ID: <202208081405.278E5quZ009180@server-f.oakapple.net> Things have changed at Three Lakes since the Wilderness Press last revision. The trail from the PCT down to the lower lake has not been maintained since the fire, except signs were placed at both ends. It is not to hard to follow among the fallen trees but would be tricky in the dark. You end up at the lower lake trailhead which has an outhouse which seems untouched by the fire though it hasn't been serviced since it was built, it seems. There is also a new looking sign announcing the Three Lakes Trailhead. There are plenty of campsites nearby, mostly used by off roaders, and the fire revealed generations of tin cans and glass bottles that had been thrown in the brush. The lower lake is pretty unappealing when drawn down as it is already. But there are nice sunset views on the cliffs. I drank the water treated with a steripen and seem to be OK. There is no trace of the former jeep road to the middle lake or the trail to the upper lake. You could make your way there but it's probably not worthwhile for through hikers. Lots of new brush. There was once another access trail from the PCT for southbounders, but I saw no sign of it. As an alternative for through hikers that only want a campsite with water, about half way down the "CRHT" access trail is a clearing for a tent site near the outlet stream from Grassy Lakes. This is the same water you'd be drinking further down at the lower Three Lakes. I didn't check if there was easy access to the stream here through the brush, but it was close enough to hear. At the wilderness boundary, there is an iron visitor registration stand that does not appear to be serviced since the fire. The visitor forms were discolored from the heat of the fire. David Hough From pctl at oakapple.net Mon Aug 8 09:51:21 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] Quincy town stop Message-ID: <202208081451.278EpLVN003276@server-f.oakapple.net> Quincy is the closest real town with a real post office to Bucks Lake and Belden. Yogi says there are lots of restaurants, which is true, but on Sunday night - there's just Moon's Italian for dinner - everything else is closed. It opens at 5pm and serves through-hiker sized portions of traditional Italian dishes. Sierra Nevada on tap. 4 nights a week the choice is Quintopia brewpub. Great beers and good food and a lively family atmosphere. In the lobby of the Gold Pan Lodge I saw a pamphlet called PCT Hikers Guide to the Quincy Galaxy which might have taken away some of the guesswork. One of the problems of Quincy is about half the town is East Quincy, about three miles away over a hill. There are restaurants and motels there too. This is also a railroad town. The motel had a special kitchen for BNSF workers. PGE is active in the area. I saw a PGE helicopter ferrying employees to an electric tower up above Belden - hanging on to a cable. David Hough From pctl at oakapple.net Wed Aug 10 09:19:33 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 07:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] section M north from Bucks Summit Message-ID: <202208101419.27AEJXlu013741@server-f.oakapple.net> I finished my rehike of section M by dayhiking from Bucks Summit to Granite Gap, where the PCT meets the trail up from Silver Lake. The PCT and the side trail to Spanish Peak were both in great shape, no obstacles. Water - the two crossings of Bucks Creek at 1269.1 and 1269.5 were both still running clear with useable volume. Perhaps there should be a new category between seasonal and perennial - "always running during traditional northbound through-hiker season at the place". The hike was very pleasantly graded and flowery - quite a contrast to the grueling descent to Belden the day before. There was no fire damage until just before you get to Granite Gap, and fire damage is the overwhelming sensation from Clear Creek sources on. Silver Lake is a very quiet campground, albeit a hard two mile hike from the PCT. So not useful for through hikers, but for day hikers, you might well get the place to yourself on a weekday or with very little company even on an August weekend. No piped water, trash service, or TP, but for $20 you get a picnic table, fire ring, and vault toilets. It's six mile drive on a very good gravel road from the Bucks Lake road. Spanish Peak is an excellent short side trip. Easy trail - an old jeep road to the site of a fire lookout. http://firetower.org/lookouts/us/ca/spanish-peak-lookout-site/ There's just old foundations left, and a great view. David Hough From ewaters.cadence at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 16:33:48 2022 From: ewaters.cadence at gmail.com (Erin Waters) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 14:33:48 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] new contact for trail angel postings? Message-ID: Hi - I am a section hiker and now 50yoa and am approaching my yearly days for hiking the PCT and am not sourcing trail angel contact info easily online as in years past. ???!! I re-contacted trail angels from my email history, but one has already come back as error message re: address... I am NOT on facebook. The section is/are approaching the Canada border and is timely for MANY who are early finishers of thru-hikers. Any advice? I appreciate your thoughts on this - especially as there are starting to be some wildfires. -all that and a bag of chips -- Be True to Who You Are. From pctl at oakapple.net Tue Aug 23 19:58:20 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] some section J trail and water conditions Message-ID: <202208240058.27O0wK0J016686@server-f.oakapple.net> I finished my rehike of section J this weekend starting from Highland Lakes to join the PCT at Wolf Creek Pass and heading south to the Boulder Lake Trail junction, then returning. Flower season is about over, except a few stragglers along the creeks. The mules ears are beginning to dry out and rattle in the wind, a sure sign that autumn is approaching. There were 12 hikers encountered on Saturday and Monday, and three on Sunday. Cattle more than made up for lack of hikers. In the following, mileposts are Halfmile 2019. Trail conditions were excellent, except for one place: WACS1038, the easternmost branch of Wolf Creek. The canyon here tends to vertical banks. The trail is washed out on the west side and and requires a bit of scrambling with hands to ascend or descend to the creek. No problem for through hikers, but daunting for the elderly with heavy packs. And I think impassible for stock. Hikers have invented various workarounds, but I think the one that works best for them and the only one possible for stock is - Northbound, follow the trail to the water, then walk downstream in or near the water around a small narrow bend to where the streak bed widens again, the look for a ramp on the west side that leads up to a path on the bank back upstream to the trail. Southbound, when you reach the bank, follow the faint path downstream to a ramp down to the water, then walk in or near the water upstream until you see the trail up the east bank. I don't know if a permanent fix is possible. High water in this stream looks like it might be very high indeed, washing away improvements. I hiked from the PCT down to Boulder Lake from the trail junction mostly in the dark some years ago. The Boulder Lake Trail looks somewhat unmaintained now at the PCT. Water conditions - all the water sources mentioned by Halfmile looked perennial, from WACS1034 to WACS1039. In addition, CS 1034 near the Golden Canyon/Paradise Valley trail junction looks to have perennial water, so could be WACS1034. And Boulder Creek, at about 1030.7, looks perennial and has several campsites nearby. Cattle are constant companions from GT1033 to WACS1039. WACS1035 has the most large flat campsites, but the most cowpie carpeting, and its stream is small. The drift fence and gate at GT1033 are now repaired and functional and may help contain the cattle from going further east to the "lake" on the map which is actually a meadow. David Hough From gary at hbfun.org Wed Aug 24 11:22:02 2022 From: gary at hbfun.org (gary at hbfun.org) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:22:02 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] some section J trail and water conditions In-Reply-To: <202208240058.27O0wK0J016686@server-f.oakapple.net> References: <202208240058.27O0wK0J016686@server-f.oakapple.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the report. On 2022-08-23 17:58, David Hough reading PCT-L wrote: > I finished my rehike of section J this weekend starting from Highland > Lakes > to join the PCT at Wolf Creek Pass and heading south to the Boulder > Lake Trail > junction, then returning. Flower season is about over, except a few > stragglers along the creeks. The mules ears are beginning to dry out > and > rattle in the wind, a sure sign that autumn is approaching. There > were 12 > hikers encountered on Saturday and Monday, and three on Sunday. > > Cattle more than made up for lack of hikers. > > In the following, mileposts are Halfmile 2019. > > Trail conditions were excellent, except for one place: WACS1038, the > easternmost > branch of Wolf Creek. The canyon here tends to vertical banks. > The trail is washed out on the west side > and and requires a bit of scrambling with hands to ascend or descend to > the > creek. No problem for through hikers, but daunting for the elderly > with > heavy packs. And I think impassible for stock. Hikers have > invented > various workarounds, but I think the one that works best for them and > the > only one possible for stock is - > > Northbound, follow the trail to the water, then walk downstream in or > near > the water around a small narrow bend to where the streak bed widens > again, > the look for a ramp on the west side that leads up to a path on the > bank > back upstream to the trail. > Southbound, when you reach the bank, follow the faint > path downstream to a ramp down to the water, then walk in or near the > water > upstream until you see the trail up the east bank. > > I don't know if a permanent fix is possible. High water in this > stream > looks like it might be very high indeed, washing away improvements. > > I hiked from the PCT down to Boulder Lake from the trail junction > mostly in > the dark some years ago. The Boulder Lake Trail looks somewhat > unmaintained > now at the PCT. > > Water conditions - all the water sources mentioned by Halfmile looked > perennial, from WACS1034 to WACS1039. > > In addition, CS 1034 near the Golden Canyon/Paradise Valley trail > junction > looks to have perennial water, so could be WACS1034. And Boulder > Creek, > at about 1030.7, looks perennial and has several campsites nearby. > > Cattle are constant companions from GT1033 to WACS1039. WACS1035 has > the > most large flat campsites, but the most cowpie carpeting, and its > stream > is small. The drift fence and gate at GT1033 are now repaired and > functional > and may help contain the cattle from going further east to the "lake" > on > the map which is actually a meadow. From pctl at marcusschwartz.com Fri Aug 26 21:31:47 2022 From: pctl at marcusschwartz.com (Town Food) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:31:47 -0700 Subject: [pct-l] Update: Permethrin from livestock supply stores In-Reply-To: <252537242.460171.1655483948078@mail.yahoo.com> References: <252537242.460171.1655483948078@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello again everybody, and thanks for the advice. Here's what I did, and what my results were. The short version is: - It worked well on nylon, but poorly on wool. - The petroleum-based permethrin product I used had a slight gasoline smell, but it was not bothersome. I'd suggest using a water-based product instead, but just because it might make application easier. - I think treating gaiters is a good idea, since that's where ticks tend to climb aboard, but, ticks were not an issue on this trip so I don't know if it actually helped. The long version is: I bought the "Gordon's Permethrin 10 Livestock & Premise Spray", part number 9291082. I diluted it 2oz to 1qt of water, which should result in a solution about 0.6% (so, slightly stronger than what they sell for clothes). I soaked my clothes in it for an hour or so, wrung them out, and line-dried them outdoors in partial shade for a couple days. This was much longer than necessary, but I wanted to let them air out a bit because of the smell (more on that later). The clothes I treated were: - A SmartWool 120-weight long-sleeved shirt, 100% wool. - A pair of REI Sahara pants, 100% nylon. - A pair of Dirty Girl gaiters, 100% polyester. Also, I put some of the solution in a spray bottle, and used it to spray the following articles that were too large to soak: - A pair of Altra Lone Peak 6 shoes. - A Sunday Afternoons Adventure Hat, some parts are 100% nylon, others 100% polyester. Then, I went backpacking in central Washington for ten days, around Mt. Rainier, which has similar conditions to the North Cascades section of the PCT. On my hike, most days didn't have significant mosquito problems, but they were present on a couple days, and heavy for a few hours. I got a number of bites through my shirt, but none through my pants, or on my head. I take this to mean that the permethrin stuck to the nylon pants well, but not the wool shirt. The hat, being synthetic, probably also held the permethrin well, and perhaps affected mosquitoes that were going for my head. So, it seems like permethrin sticks to synthetics much better than wool (at least, for this permethrin product with this application technique). On the other hand, there were many hot days and lots of steep uphills, so maybe my sweat rinsed the permethrin out of the shirt. Or, maybe the weave on my shirt was different from that of the pants, and easier to bite through. So, really, take my results with a grain of salt, this was far from a scientific test. It's hard to say whether the treatment of my shoes or gaiters did anything, since they're not really mosquito attack areas. I do really like the idea of treating gaiters with permethrin, since it seems like a good way to cut down on ticks, but though ticks were not an issue for anybody on this particular trip. Also, some of the advice I'd read (outside the PCT-L) was to avoid permethrin products that contain petroleum distillates, because the treated clothes will smell like gasoline. The brand I used did contain them, and my clothes did smell. But, the smell was not very strong -- it was noticeable at close range in town, but not really on trail. Nobody aside from me seemed to notice it, even when I asked. Retrospectively, even though the smell was not strong, I think I should've gone with a water-based version anyway, since part of the application process involves further diluting it with water. As the permethrin/water solution in my treatment bucket sat still while my clothes soaked, I noticed a white film formed on the top. Maybe this was the petroleum-based permethrin solution separating out from the water I'd mixed it with. If so, this might mean that the spots on my clothes near the top of the water level got over-treated, and everything else got under-treated. So, maybe mixing oil and water was not the best way to get an even application. And lastly, I had no issues with stains, contrary to some non-PCT-L advice I'd received. Thanks again everybody, -=Town Food On 6/17/22 09:39, ROBERT ELLINWOOD wrote: > >"The one year I did not treat my clothes, hat, gloves, etc. I was bombarded > with mosquitoes and flies!!" > Ticks!?? Permethrin is GREAT for killing ticks.? Waaay back in 2002, My wife and I were camped at Benchmark on the CDT after finishing a 350 mile stretch when, a day later, a group of three hikers pulled in after doing the exact same 350 mile section of CDT. They slept under tarps and complained bitterly of dealing with ?hundreds? of ticks. We, having done the pre-trip Permethrin spraying, had dealt with only 6 ticks between us, none biting us .? FWIW.?? I also buy it from a hardware store and carefully dilute it into a spray bottle. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Bryant > To: Town Food ; pct-l at backcountry.net > Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2022 12:26 pm > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permethrin from livestock supply stores > > Town Food, > > I bought a Durvet (brand) from a feed store (undiluted) Permethrin 10% 8 > ozs for $8.99 about 7 years ago. The container is still full! The people at > the store were very helpful with all of my questions. > > I used up the spray bottle from REI Sawyer brand 12 oz and used the > empty bottle. The tricky part for me was getting the ratio to water and the > Permethrin. You want it to be odorless on your clothes. While it is wet it > is caustic to cats. So be careful. Once dried it is safe for cats. > > The one year I did not treat my clothes, hat, gloves, etc. I was bombarded > with mosquitoes and flies!! > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 10:23 PM Town Food wrote: > >> A while back (7 or 8 years maybe?) I remember reading on this list a >> recommendation to treat clothes with permethrin, not with the Sawyer >> products from hiking stores, but with permethrin from a livestock supply >> store.? The reason being, the livestock supply store will sell a quart >> of 10% permethrin for about $15, while a hiking store will sell a pint >> of 0.5% permethrin for about the same price.? So it's 40x cheaper if you >> dilute the 10% solution yourself. >> >> Has anybody here used this method, and if so, are there particular >> brands I should look for?? I've looked a bit on Amazon, and some of the >> Q&A there says that some brands are not formulated to stick to clothes, >> or will stain, or will retain a strong smell, so I'm not sure what I >> should use. >> >> Thanks, >> ? -=Town Food >> _______________________________________________ >> Pct-L mailing list >> Pct-L at backcountry.net >> To unsubscribe, or change options visit: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l >> >> List Archives: >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. >> > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. > _______________________________________________ > Pct-L mailing list > Pct-L at backcountry.net > To unsubscribe, or change options visit: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l > > List Archives: > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/ > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors. > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission. From pctl at oakapple.net Wed Aug 31 14:26:56 2022 From: pctl at oakapple.net (David Hough reading PCT-L) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pct-l] Climate change on PCT makes the New York Times Message-ID: <202208311926.27VJQucq009942@server-f.oakapple.net> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/travel/climate-change-pacific-crest-trail.html I'm hoping to hike in southern section Q this weekend, if it doesn't catch fire or become totally entombed in smoke from other fires.