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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'>That has always been the response from bikers and ATV users.
At what point have we compromised our way to no public lands that haven't been
torn up by machines?</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'>If you keep compromising, at some point you'll have nothing
left to concede.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'>“Public Lands” use is dictated by the
Public. Increasingly wilderness use is day use or weekend use. If the
numbers of those in the public see us as gatekeepers, keeping others out for
our own provincial desires, even if those desires are altruistically intended
to benefit future generations, then they will be more inclined to sweep aside
our desires. Increasing access AND APPRECIATION of wilderness might be
the best way of protecting wilderness. Like it or not the wilderness
changes along with the surrounding country. The <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> grizzly bear is only found on our
state flag. Muir hut and other buildings, the signs that help guide us,
even the trails we walk on are the result of machines or tools. We will
only appreciate the wildness of nature as we interact with it, but even that
interaction changes nature. Even our footsteps alter the landscape. </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jerry Goller
[mailto:jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 17, 2007
8:51 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pct-l@backcountry.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [pct-l] Mt. Bikes on
the trail</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'>That has always been the response from bikers and ATV users.
At what point have we compromised our way to no public lands that haven't been
torn up by machines?</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'>If you keep compromising, at some point you'll have nothing
left to concede. </span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'>Jerry</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="http://www.backpackgeartest.org/"
title="blocked::http://www.backpackgeartest.org/"><font size=2 face=Arial
title="blocked::http://www.backpackgeartest.org/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>http://www.BackpackGearTest.org</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> : the most comprehensive interactive
gear reviews and tests on the planet.</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Lars
Nilsson</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 17, 2007
8:26 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pct-l@backcountry.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [pct-l] <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Mt.</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Bikes</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
on the trail</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>“There's an assault brewing on the parks here.
The ORV and mountain bike crowd are trying to get the Mill Creek Addition to
Del Norte Coast Redwoods SP opened to them. Do any of you have pictures of
trail damage caused by ORVs and mt. bikes, particularly in far northern <st1:State
w:st="on">California</st1:State> and southern <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Oregon</st1:place></st1:State> -- PCT or trails west.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>I hike, but my sons bike. They are courteous
and stay mainly on fire roads but do enjoy single track riding as well.
They resent the outright banning of bikes on certain trails. There are
“bad apples” in all groups. There are wannabee ultralight
backpackers who allow their alcohol stoves to blow over in wind and start
fires, causing far more damage than fat tires. There are hikers who
insist they are “stealthy” enough that bears will never find their
food and so they don’t need those pesky, heavy bear cans. Too few
of us truly practice “leave NO trace;” do we ban backpackers or
demand personal responsibility and concern/respect for the back country from
all who enter?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>I am not suggesting that we pave the trails or put
up neon signs, but there should be some compromise that allows more people to
enjoy the land in their own way. Woody Guthrie sang “this land was
made for you and me”. As hikers we recognize HYOH to mean that for
some the fastest wins as does the last one to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place> (assuming Campo is your
trailhead). </span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=3
face="Arial Rounded MT Bold"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"'>Lars
Nilsson</span></font></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></p>
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