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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=953141018-17102007>I've tried a variation of that argument on the girls in
my neighborhood for a different activity. They didn't buy it
either...... ;o)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Lars Nilsson
[mailto:lars@standardarmament.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007
1:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Jerry Goller; pct-l@backcountry.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[pct-l] Mt. Bikes on the trail<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">That has always been the response from
bikers and ATV users. At what point have we compromised our way to no public
lands that haven't been torn up by machines?</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">If you keep compromising, at some point
you'll have nothing left to concede.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">“Public Lands” use is dictated by the
Public. Increasingly wilderness use is day use or weekend use. If
the numbers of those in the public see us as gatekeepers, keeping others out for
our own provincial desires, even if those desires are altruistically intended to
benefit future generations, then they will be more inclined to sweep aside our
desires. Increasing access AND APPRECIATION of wilderness might be the
best way of protecting wilderness. Like it or not the wilderness changes
along with the surrounding country. The <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> grizzly bear is only found on our
state flag. Muir hut and other buildings, the signs that help guide us,
even the trails we walk on are the result of machines or tools. We will
only appreciate the wildness of nature as we interact with it, but even that
interaction changes nature. Even our footsteps alter the landscape.
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color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Rounded MT Bold'">Lars
Nilsson</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT color=navy><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">TrailSnail</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Jerry
Goller [mailto:jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:51
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
pct-l@backcountry.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [pct-l] Mt. Bikes on the trail</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">That has always been the response from
bikers and ATV users. At what point have we compromised our way to no public
lands that haven't been torn up by machines?</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">If you keep compromising, at some point
you'll have nothing left to concede. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">Jerry</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> : the most comprehensive interactive gear
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Lars
Nilsson</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:26 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> pct-l@backcountry.net<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [pct-l] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Mt.</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Bikes</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> on the trail</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">“There's an assault brewing
on the parks here. The ORV and mountain bike crowd are trying to get the Mill
Creek Addition to Del Norte Coast Redwoods SP opened to them. Do any of you have
pictures of trail damage caused by ORVs and mt. bikes, particularly in far
northern <st1:State w:st="on">California</st1:State> and southern <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Oregon</st1:place></st1:State> -- PCT or trails
west.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I hike, but my sons
bike. They are courteous and stay mainly on fire roads but do enjoy single
track riding as well. They resent the outright banning of bikes on certain
trails. There are “bad apples” in all groups. There are wannabee
ultralight backpackers who allow their alcohol stoves to blow over in wind and
start fires, causing far more damage than fat tires. There are hikers who
insist they are “stealthy” enough that bears will never find their food and so
they don’t need those pesky, heavy bear cans. Too few of us truly practice
“leave NO trace;” do we ban backpackers or demand personal responsibility and
concern/respect for the back country from all who
enter?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I am not suggesting that we
pave the trails or put up neon signs, but there should be some compromise that
allows more people to enjoy the land in their own way. Woody Guthrie sang
“this land was made for you and me”. As hikers we recognize HYOH to mean
that for some the fastest wins as does the last one to <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place>
(assuming Campo is your trailhead). </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT face="Arial Rounded MT Bold"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Rounded MT Bold'">Lars
Nilsson</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></P>
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