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<DIV>Gee, who would have thought a cup of coffee in the morning would be so
hazardous to one's health and hike?</DIV>
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<DIV>Drink lots of water with Propel and y'all should be fine.</DIV>
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<DIV>Sly</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:25:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gailpl2003@yahoo.com writes:</DIV>
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l <gailpl2003@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:
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Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:24:22 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: g l
<gailpl2003@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [pct-l] No cook food on the
trail<BR>To: Steel-Eye
<chelin@teleport.com><BR><BR>Steel-Eye-<BR><BR>Thank you so much for
pointing out the hazards of caffeine use- on trail and off. When I
stopped using caffeine 10 years ago, my withdrawal headaches lasted a year
and a half.....nothing "low grade" about the addiction. We don't like
to admit that the body was never meant to be "sped up" artificially and
there is always a price to pay for it. Your points about dehydration
and electrolyte balance are excellent. To that I would add that
caffeine adversely affects all organ systems of the body.....notably
contributing to hypertension and heart arrhythmias, causing blood sugar
levels to go wild (jolt to the ol' pancreas), and I believe contributing to
gallbladder disease (due to dehydration and therefore not enough "fluids" to
properly flush the body of toxins)......bad, bad stuff. IMHO it is yet
another money making scam by corporate America......as with nicotine, to
'hook" us and have us pay money to slowly "kill" ourselves. Turns out,
that the use of caffeine is in fact, what is
"uncivilized".<BR><BR>Wheeew<BR><BR><B><I>Steel-Eye
<chelin@teleport.com></I></B> wrote:
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>Good morning, JoAnn,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman">As much as I like freshly brewed coffee made from
clean water and freshly ground, high quality, beans I do indeed stop
drinking coffee and tea entirely prior to a long hike. The reason is
a bit more strategic than wanting to avoid heating water in the
morning.<SPAN> </SPAN>People vary in their reaction to habitual
doses of caffeine.<SPAN> </SPAN>I enjoy the taste and all of the
stimulant effects, but in my body caffeine is also a significant diuretic,
and my logic is that I should avoid using a known diuretic during a
sustained hike through SoCal.<SPAN> </SPAN>Water is not abundant in
much of SoCal, so an increase in unnecessary water loss means I have to
carry more of it for the same overall hydration level.<SPAN>
</SPAN>That was my primary concern.<SPAN> </SPAN>My secondary
concern was the need to maintain appropriate electrolyte levels through
long, strenuous days in a hot environment.<SPAN> </SPAN>Unnecessary
loss of water due to diuretic action also means needing to replace an
inordinate amount of electrolytes.<SPAN> </SPAN>The tertiary concern
was chemical dependency.<SPAN> </SPAN>I get a low-grade addiction to
caffeine to the point that withdrawal involves headaches as well as
generally feeling crummy.<SPAN> </SPAN>It’s no big deal, and it goes
away after about a week, but it’s a complication that I do not
need.<SPAN> </SPAN>My avoidance also applies to other significant
sources of caffeine such as soft drinks.<SPAN> </SPAN>I love
chocolate, but its level of consumption, and the caffeine it contains, is
seldom is sufficient to cause a
problem.<O:P></O:P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>For shorter trips I often cook, which means
I can enjoy coffee in the morning.<SPAN> </SPAN>I particularly like
“mountain mocha”, which is instant hot chocolate mixed with a big dose of
high-quality instant espresso coffee.<SPAN> </SPAN>On shorter trips
if I’m not cooking/heating I carry a candy called Coffee Nips that I
enjoy, and which contain a fair amount of coffee and/or
caffeine.</FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>As I write this I’m well into my third cup
of coffee.</FONT></DIV>
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Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:28 AM</DIV>
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No cook food on the trail</DIV>
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<DIV>For <STRONG>breakfast</STRONG> I eat homemade granola every day on
the trail. It's high in <BR>calories, dense to pack, and I can eat
it right out of the Ziploc while <BR>hiking.</DIV>
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<DIV>How very uncivilized...no coffee with breakfast? Do without my
coffee while on the trail???...never! :)</DIV>
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