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Moondog,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman">Depending upon the altitude and aspect of your camp it's
not uncommon to awake in the southern sections with frost all around, but a 35
deg. bag should be fine since you intend to sleep in a tent. Layering is
more than a bag with a liner. On a cold night if I don't sleep wearing
everything I brought, then I brought too much. I would sleep wearing my
jacket and any other of the very few clothing items I may
have. Particularly important is a hat, usually a knitted stocking hat,
and fleece gloves help as well. I'm not fond of bag liners. I get
all tangled up in them, particularly since I usually sleep wearing clothes, and
liners are single-purpose items. I would rather invest the equivalent
weight in items I can wear outside of the bag as
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=chelin@teleport.com href="mailto:chelin@teleport.com">Steel-Eye</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com
href="mailto:davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com">David Stewart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:56 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pct-l] sleeping bag/Tent</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Good morning, Moondog,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">TENT: I don’t find it very
useful to try to catalogue the names of the pokey/prickly vegetation considering
that about half of everything found in the desert sections will scratch, poke,
or bite.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If I had a floor in an
expensive tent I might worry, but I use only a ground cloth, which I assume it
will become compromised to some degree; rather like expecting wear on shoe
soles.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I take reasonable care when
selecting a bed location, and if I see things that could hurt the ground cloth …
or more importantly, me …. I will either move it or move me.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have a stack of ground cloths, which
are usually made of either SpinCloth or Tyvek, with some of coated
rip-stop.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Last summer I carried a
SpinCloth sheet from Campo to Echo Summit.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>At that point it had some poke-holes and a few small tears so it was
replaced.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As I recall, most of the
damage occurred prior to Kennedy Meadows, but it worked OK through the
Sierras.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Further north, the ground
becomes increasingly “duffy” with soft fir needles, etc.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Up there, a ground cloth or tent floor
will last a good long time.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Sleep well,</P>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com
href="mailto:davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com">David Stewart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pct-l@backcountry.net
href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net">pct-l@backcountry.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:38
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [pct-l] sleeping bag/Tent</DIV>
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<DIV>Hello all (again), </DIV>
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<DIV>As the holidays approach, I am going to fully use the opportunity to have
people who love me buy me incredibly expensive/light gear for '08. I hope you
all do the same. It helps to frame each piece as critical/life altering/the
only thing that will save me above 10,000 feet. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anywho, my choice for sleeping will be a Western Mountaineering Highlite
long sleeping bag. This rates at 35 degrees, and I will get a liner with it. I
sleep warm and I think I will prefer layers - I have the feeling that in a 20
degree bag I will love it in the Sierras and then nowhere else, constantly
sleeping one leg out or something. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is this a bad idea? Should I go with a 30 or 25 and the liner? I have to
admit, the Highlite long is only 17 oz. and this idea tickles me pink. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>TENT:</DIV>
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<DIV>going to go with the Tarptent Contrail. Do I need a groundcloth with this
one? Are the pokey/prickly things so nasty in the desert that my sewn-in
bathtub floor will look like swiss cheese afterwards?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>thanks again. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-moondog</DIV>
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