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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We had the same issues with the Ursack
company. The customer service is not too great. I would think twice
before believing in this product. We carried this product on the JMT in
2006 and had several bears interested in the bag. We came home with only
one Ursack and it had teeth marks in it!!! I don't think you have to
wonder much about what happened to the other one!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the other hand we had no problem dealing with
the people that represent the Bear Vault. It may be a little heavier but at
least they stand behind their product and you won't go hungry on the
trail.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cindy</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=robert@engravingpros.com
href="mailto:robert@engravingpros.com">Robert W. Freed</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pct-l@backcountry.net
href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net">pct-l@backcountry.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [pct-l] To Ursack or not to
Ursack</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm just saying that, as a customer, I felt more than a little
betrayed that the $150+ dollars I spent on two Ursacks with liners was of
no value to me six months later. At the time I bought them they were (also)
conditionally approved for that year. Ursack made no effort to regain my trust
by offering free upgrades or discounts to owners of the useless models. I
heard (and this is second hand) that they knew they were producing a
inferior product but went ahead as they could not get the green spectra
fabric. I see that on there web site they are still selling the
unapproved version. They also list the places that the new one has been
approved. But they don't mention that it was not approved for the middle of
the JMT. The inter agency Ranger Station at Lone Pine would only issue permits
to hikers with a Garcia or Bear vault food container if they were hiking
through the Rae Lakes basin in 2007. Bear Vault offers free upgrades and free
loaner lids that they sent to the Ranger Station for the older version.</DIV>
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<DIV>I guess, as with most things, buyer beware. :(</DIV>
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<DIV>Robert</DIV>
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<DIV>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean Nordeen <<SPAN
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<DIV>Ursack's website?has been?pretty good about mentioning what bags
are<BR>currently approved and if there are any issues.? However, they
can't<BR>control if they lose approval like they did in late 2006.? They did
post on<BR>their website?when they were notified that they were going to
lose<BR>approval and the steps they were talking to fight it.<BR></DIV></DIV><!-- toctype = X-unknown --><!-- toctype = text --><!-- text -->
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