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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You wrote the truth: people will do
what they will, and it will sort itself out eventually. Unfortunately, it
may sort itself out in some form of increased regulatory intervention. It
seems to be the practice of the USFS to shut down entirely that which they
cannot manage effectively. My observation down here in So Cal is that
they are not remotely sympathetic or supportive of the needs of thru-hikers. They
shut down miles of trail for a two foot stream crossing where the Yellow Legged
Frog lives. They’ve shut down most of the well water sources that were
once available. When sobo hikers have asked to go through the forest when
they shut down during fire season (with no active fires): even though the
hikers have walked over 2,100 miles, and have less than 500 to go, the answer
is a resounding “No.” Do we as a community want to
allow these guys to make decisions for us when we can raise consciousness and
change our behavior before that happens? If we don’t change our
behavior, we will certainly get what we deserve, IMHO.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Patrick Beggan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 01, 2008
11:25 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pct-l@backcountry.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [pct-l] Water Caches</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>People like to make a big deal about these caches, as I can see from
the last fifty water cache messages on here. :P But really, who is it hurting?
If those empties are tied together then I don't see a problem... and if they
aren't tied together, the problem isn't the water cache itself, it's the lack
of organization.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If you don't like using water caches because it takes some perceived
(and I assure you, it's a value of perception) purity from your hike, don't use
them. If you think people are starting to count on them as a sure-thing, well,
they're going to learn that's not the case eventually. On the other hand,
plenty of people are using these to make what would be an uncomfortable stretch
into a comfortable stretch, starting with enough water to get across (but
thirsty) without a cache and then using the cache as a luxury when they do come
across it. Why ruin it for these people, doing it right, just because you're
concerned about purity or less scrupulous hikers?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I say keep them how they are until someone in the park service says
otherwise. People will do what they will do and this situation will sort itself
out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:14 PM, <a href="mailto:Slyatpct@aol.com">Slyatpct@aol.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message dated 12/28/2007 9:38:14 PM
Eastern Standard Time, <a href="mailto:hikin_steve@yahoo.com">hikin_steve@yahoo.com</a> writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?jtype=photo&entry_id=641&photo_id=681"
title="http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?jtype=photo&entry_id=641&photo_id=681">http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?jtype=photo&entry_id=641&photo_id=681</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is a photo from Len Roughgarden
(2007 thru-hiker) at about mile 87, somewhere between <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Warner</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Springs</st1:PlaceName> and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Mt.</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Laguna</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>,
showing all the empty water bottles. What an mess!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Yeah but not as messy as a cattle
fouled source. At least this can be cleaned up and the empties appeared
to be tied together so they don't fly off..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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