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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe I stated the word Bath wrong. I know my
mom said that when she had me in 43' that she was in the hall way of the hopital
and they rubbed her full body with alcohol because they were not givibng baths
and when I was in the 9th grade I had the flu in a jr.Seminary and they gave an
alcohol rub instead of a bath, it was very cold.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh yah what did this have to do with the PCT?
I forgot LOL Ground Pounder Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=meta474@gmail.com href="mailto:meta474@gmail.com">Patrick Beggan</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=tahoe.cat@verizon.net
href="mailto:tahoe.cat@verizon.net">Bill & Cathy</A> ; <A
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href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net">pct-l@backcountry.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes</DIV>
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<DIV>Yeah, I've never seen an alcohol bath in a hospital.</DIV>
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<DIV>And I'd like to state for the record I'm not outright disagreeing with g
l just disagreeing with the... intensity of the statement. I completely agree
that alcohol wipes will cause dry skin and irritate the mucus membranes --
however, this will only happen from overuse. At least as far as your anal
sphincter and skin is concerned. Heh, never thought I'd use the words anal
sphincter on the PCT-L...</DIV>
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<DIV>And again, everyone is different. If you're concerned about having a
reaction to alcohol wipes on the trail, try using them at home for a few days.
Although using alcohol wipes AND a shower will most likely severely dry your
skin unless you moisturize a lot.</DIV>
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<DIV>Furthermore, the amount of alcohol that'll be absorbed transdermally is
so small as to be ridiculous in a full-grown adult. Alcohol evaporates very
fast (part of the reason why it is an effective coolant and why it dries out
skin so easily) and almost the entire amount of alcohol that will be placed on
your skin by an alcohol wipe will evaporate before it even begins to penetrate
any layer of skin. I suspect a small amount will manage to be absorbed but
we're talking... single-digit microliters, here. A few dozen molecules.
:P</DIV>
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<DIV>It's been my experience that alcohol is forbidden from neonatal wards
because of the sensitivity of an infant's skin, not necessarily the risk of
absorbtion... although babies are an entire other field (and I only know how
to deliver them) and its possible that inhaled and absorbed alcohol is a
serious risk to them (in fact, I'm sure inhaled alcohol vapors are). I
can't speak definitively on that topic.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Bill & Cathy wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do they still give Alcohol baths in hospitals?
Where I work, they have Alcohol dispensers all over the place, for your
hands. Ground Pounder Bill</FONT></DIV>
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href="mailto:gailpl2003@yahoo.com">g l</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
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href="mailto:meta474@gmail.com">Patrick Beggan</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
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href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net">PCT</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23
AM</DIV>
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [pct-l] Baby Wipes</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>This is not true. At very minimum, alcohol is very
drying to the skin. There is also some question as to
carcinogenicity, etc. Research before use. I believe Baby
Wipes would be ok, alcohol wipes...nope!<BR><BR>Intensive care nurse and
registered respiratory therapist x 25 years. <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>Wheeew<BR><BR><B><I>Patrick
Beggan <<A
href="mailto:meta474@gmail.com">meta474@gmail.com</A>></I></B><SPAN
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<DIV>Well, everyone is different, but alcohol wipes on your bare skin
don't really harm anything (I have pretty extensive medical experience,
although I'm no doctor, I'm just a medic). I mean, frequency is an issue
here -- if you're wiping down with alcohol wipes every twenty minutes
then you're probably going to see some irritation. Its my experience
that giving yourself a wipe-down with an alcohol wipe every other day or
so helps keep infection at bay as well as help prevent a whole set of
skin ailments.</DIV>
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<DIV>Of course, it should note that my skin, uhh, "hydrates" at a rapid
pace. That is, I am very greasy. :P</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:11 AM, g l wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Folks, Please do NOT use alcohol wipes on your
skin.....especially on your more "sensitive" areas. Isopropyl
alcohol itself is extremely irritating to the skin and particularly
the mucous membranes. And guess what your.......exit area is
composed of???? Key-rect!!!! Mucous membranes. H20
if you have it, is your best bet.....along with a gentle, non-rinse
soap perhaps. Or just stink! We all smell alike out there
anyway, and we cancel each other out. And the
flat-landers??? Heck with em if they can't take a joke!
Just say NO to ETOH!!! (Other than the drinkin' kind,
perhaps.)</DIV>
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<DIV>Wheeew<BR><BR><B><I>Hiker97 <<A
href="mailto:hiker97@aol.com">hiker97@aol.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="mailto:jolson@olc.edu">jolson@olc.edu</A> writes:
All kidding aside, - , alcohol wipes kept rashes and skin
irritations of any sort from developing. It wasn't til I was
40 that I had to deal with this. Now it's a fact of life that
I "wipe down" before putting on the long underwear and diving under
the quilt for a dry, safe nights sleep... It's part of being able to
hike week after week, a maintenance item.... Gotta keep the nether
regions clean and dry...</DIV>
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<DIV>Switchback replies: I have used alcohol wipes for years along
with TP. I also carry hand sanitizer gel. Out on the
trail I try to be not only clean, but beyond that. I think
this protects you from getting sick and other irritations too.
For me going to bed clean at night makes for a
more restful sleep. I carry my toilet articles in a quart
ZipLock bag. Works great. </DIV>
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