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<DIV>Good morning, Wheeew,</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN lang=EN style="mso-ansi-language: EN">It’s hard to guess what someone
else may need for insulation.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As
L-Rod mentioned, tolerance to cold is a personal thing, varying considerably
among individuals.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Reasons can be
physical, situational, and mental.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I think the primary physical attribute in favor of staying warm is size:
A large person may not only have a layer of subcutaneous fat for insulation, but
they would also have a higher percentage of body mass for their skin surface
area.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That configuration is not
vary prevalent among long distance hikers.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I’ve been told I may have a an unusually high percentage of residual
brown fat, i.e. brown adipose tissue (BAT), to help keep me warm but, since
physiology isn’t my field, I really don’t know mitochondria from a
hole-in-the-ground.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: #f8fcff"><SPAN lang=EN
style="mso-ansi-language: EN">Situational differences require a bit of
experience.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For most people,
garment selection is based upon walk-around judgment: We put on a<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>coat, go outside for a while, then say if it
is, or isn’t, enough.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This neglects
the effect of heat production from activity.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One extreme example is an ice fisherman
who sits in the cold all day.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
general rule for that situation is, estimate what insulation is necessary, then
double it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>On the other extreme, if
I started hiking with “average” insulation it would be too much and I would be
removing layers within 10 minutes.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I’m generally warm from hiking all day, and I crawl into the bag soon
after stopping and before I cool off.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The only real use for something warm is early in the morning while I pack
my stuff and for the first 10 minutes on the trail.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I object to carrying an extra pound ….
or two, or three …. just to be a bit more comfortable during that brief
period.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For times when it’s cold
and I’m not active, my sleeping bag is my fall-back protection.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I mentioned that situation in my
TrailJournal entry for 6 Jun 07.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It
was cold, there was snow on the ground, and I had wet shoes and socks from
fording the previous day, so when I stopped for a while to wait for another
hiker I wrapped my bag around my feet and legs.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That was no big deal; it worked fine,
and a heavier coat wouldn’t have helped much.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV><SPAN lang=EN
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mental aspect is simple:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I just
don’t let myself object to being cold for a while.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Whenever I start worry about being cold
I re-read my copy of Jack London’s short story, To Build A Fire, and I realize
what a sniveling, thumb-sucking, whiner I’ve become.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">^^^^^^^^^^<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Serious hikers gather at:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.aldhawest.org/"><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">http://www.aldhawest.org/</SPAN></A>
^^^^^^^^^^</P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gailpl2003@yahoo.com href="mailto:gailpl2003@yahoo.com">G. Lowe aka
Wheeew</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=chelin@teleport.com
href="mailto:chelin@teleport.com">Steel-Eye</A> ; <A
title=pct-l@backcountry.net href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net">PCT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 14, 2008 3:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [pct-l] clothing
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You bring up good points Steel-Eye. I was concerned about
carrying "all things down" on my hike. I was going to post a question
regarding this same issue. Here it is: If I have serious Capilene
long johns, a long sleeve shirt, DriClime wind shirt and rain gear, do I
really need a down jacket too??? Or any other jacket for that
matter???<BR><BR>Wheeew<BR><BR><B><I>Steel-Eye <<A
href="mailto:chelin@teleport.com">chelin@teleport.com</A>></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Good morning,
Moondog,</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I haven’t found the PCT to
be particularly cold in the hiking season.<SPAN> </SPAN>Frost in the
morning and occasional light snowfall aren’t uncommon, but that’s nothing
for an active hiker.<SPAN> </SPAN>All I use is: 1) a poly tee shirt,
2) a 200-weight, pull-over fleece shirt/jacket, and 3) a thin, hooded
windshirt.<SPAN> </SPAN>The jacket is an off-brand that I bought on
sale for about $10. and it weighs 10.5 oz.<SPAN> </SPAN>The GoLite
Ether windshirt weighs 3.0 oz.<SPAN> </SPAN>Wearing both, I’m
comfortable until I warm up on the trail.<SPAN> </SPAN>Soon, first the
wind shirt comes off, then later the fleece.<SPAN> </SPAN>During a
break the windshirt goes back on.<SPAN> </SPAN>Examples of that can be
seen at: </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><A
href="http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye">http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye</A> on
the entries for 5 & 6 June, except in that on the 6th the
windshirt was a Marmot rather than the GoLite.<SPAN> </SPAN>I couldn’t
do that with a Flight Jacket.<SPAN> </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I’d love to have a Flight
Jacket, and several times I’ve come close to buying one since it weighs
about the same as my fleece alone, but for me it would be too warm and I
couldn’t get the same ventilation when layering.<SPAN>
</SPAN>Besides, the Flight Jacket costs over $210. more than the cheap-o
fleece.</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I have three down
jackets by other manufacturers, but in the more chronically wet areas ….
like where I live in the Northwest …. they are usually too warm and they
seem to get sopped around the shoulders under rain gear.<SPAN>
</SPAN>The fleece performs much better for me under those
circumstances.</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">I have several
vests, both fleece and down, but I don’t often take them on the
trail.<SPAN> </SPAN>My problem:<SPAN> </SPAN>With advanced years
I notice the cold on my arms more than I used to, so I like long
sleeves.</SPAN></DIV>
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size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Steel-Eye</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=2><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">^^^^^^^^^^<SPAN>
</SPAN>Serious hikers gather at:<SPAN> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><A
href="http://www.aldhawest.org/"><SPAN style="COLOR: purple"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
size=3>http://www.aldhawest.org/</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> ^^^^^^^^^^</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com
href="mailto:davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com">David Stewart</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=pct-l@backcountry.net
href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net">pct-l@backcountry.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:59 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[pct-l] clothing question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I am having some trouble deciding about an insulating layer. Everyone
raves about the WM Flight Jacket. I have no doubts that that sucker is
nice and warm. But I am a warm sleeper and generally warm all the time. I
hardly ever use a 2nd layer while hiking, unless it is cold and raining.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I will have two baselyer shirts with me, Marmot Precip Jacket and a
TNF Windstopper Vest. I am debating to go with the WM Flash vest, or the
Flight vest. I could imagine the Flight Jacket being simply too warm,
except perhaps in the Sierras (but there is some 2300 other miles of
trails to carry the jacket...). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Layer up? or is it really that cold?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>my bag will be the WM Summerlite. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>one last question to ponder: Is anyone slicker than Tom Brady?
seriously.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-moondog</DIV>
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