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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steel-Eye wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>“. . . I realize what a sniveling, thumb-sucking,
whiner I’ve become.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hey, I resemble that remark! This is a line that will stay
with me. Hope you don’t mind if I borrow it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I also think “Thumb-Sucking Whiner” would be an
excellent trail name. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>L-Rod<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steel-Eye<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 15, 2008
6:47 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> G. Lowe aka Wheeew; PCT<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [pct-l] clothing
question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Good morning, Wheeew,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN
style='font-size:12.0pt'>It’s hard to guess what someone else may need
for insulation. As L-Rod mentioned, tolerance to cold is a personal thing,
varying considerably among individuals. Reasons can be physical, situational,
and mental. I think the primary physical attribute in favor of staying warm is
size: A large person may not only have a layer of subcutaneous fat for
insulation, but they would also have a higher percentage of body mass for their
skin surface area. That configuration is not vary prevalent among long
distance hikers. I’ve been told I may have a an unusually high
percentage of residual brown fat, i.e. brown adipose tissue (BAT), to help keep
me warm but, since physiology isn’t my field, I really don’t know
mitochondria from a hole-in-the-ground.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='background:#F8FCFF'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Situational differences require a bit of
experience. For most people, garment selection is based upon walk-around
judgment: We put on a coat, go outside for a while, then say if it is, or
isn’t, enough. This neglects the effect of heat production from
activity. One extreme example is an ice fisherman who sits in the cold all
day. The general rule for that situation is, estimate what insulation is
necessary, then double it. On the other extreme, if I started hiking with
“average” insulation it would be too much and I would be removing
layers within 10 minutes. I’m generally warm from hiking all day, and I
crawl into the bag soon after stopping and before I cool off. The only real
use for something warm is early in the morning while I pack my stuff and for
the first 10 minutes on the trail. I object to carrying an extra pound
…. or two, or three …. just to be a bit more comfortable during
that brief period. For times when it’s cold and I’m not active, my
sleeping bag is my fall-back protection. I mentioned that situation in my
TrailJournal entry for 6 Jun 07. It was cold, there was snow on the ground,
and I had wet shoes and socks from fording the previous day, so when I stopped
for a while to wait for another hiker I wrapped my bag around my feet and
legs. That was no big deal; it worked fine, and a heavier coat wouldn’t
have helped much.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The mental aspect is simple: I just don’t let
myself object to being cold for a while. Whenever I start worry about being
cold I re-read my copy of Jack <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:City>’s
short story, To Build A Fire, and I realize what a sniveling, thumb-sucking,
whiner I’ve become.</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Steel-Eye</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN
style='font-size:12.0pt'>^^^^^^^^^^ Serious hikers gather at: <a
href="http://www.aldhawest.org/"><font color=purple><span style='color:purple'>http://www.aldhawest.org/</span></font></a>
^^^^^^^^^^<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:gailpl2003@yahoo.com" title="gailpl2003@yahoo.com">G. Lowe aka
Wheeew</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:chelin@teleport.com" title="chelin@teleport.com">Steel-Eye</a> ; <a
href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net" title="pct-l@backcountry.net">PCT</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, January
14, 2008 3:36 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [pct-l]
clothing question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You bring up good points Steel-Eye. I was concerned about
carrying "all things down" on my hike. I was going to post a
question regarding this same issue. Here it is: If I have serious
Capilene long johns, a long sleeve shirt, DriClime wind shirt and rain gear, do
I really need a down jacket too??? Or any other jacket for that matter???<br>
<br>
Wheeew<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Steel-Eye <<a
href="mailto:chelin@teleport.com">chelin@teleport.com</a>></span></i></b>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Good morning, Moondog,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I haven’t found the PCT to be particularly cold in the hiking
season. Frost in the morning and occasional light snowfall aren’t
uncommon, but that’s nothing for an active hiker. All I use is: 1)
a poly tee shirt, 2) a 200-weight, pull-over fleece shirt/jacket, and 3) a
thin, hooded windshirt. The jacket is an off-brand that I bought on sale
for about $10. and it weighs 10.5 oz. The GoLite Ether windshirt weighs
3.0 oz. Wearing both, I’m comfortable until I warm up on the
trail. Soon, first the wind shirt comes off, then later the fleece.
During a break the windshirt goes back on. Examples of that can be seen
at: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye">http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye</a> on
the entries for 5 & 6 June, except in that on the 6th the
windshirt was a Marmot rather than the GoLite. I couldn’t do that
with a Flight Jacket. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I’d love to have a Flight Jacket, and several times I’ve
come close to buying one since it weighs about the same as my fleece alone, but
for me it would be too warm and I couldn’t get the same
ventilation when layering. Besides, the Flight Jacket costs over
$210. more than the cheap-o fleece.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have three down jackets by other manufacturers, but in the more
chronically wet areas …. like where I live in the Northwest …. they
are usually too warm and they seem to get sopped around the shoulders under
rain gear. The fleece performs much better for me under those
circumstances.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have several vests, both fleece and down, but I don’t often
take them on the trail. My problem: With advanced years I notice
the cold on my arms more than I used to, so I like long sleeves.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Steel-Eye<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>^^^^^^^^^^ Serious hikers gather at: </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.aldhawest.org/"><font size=3 color=purple
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:purple'>http://www.aldhawest.org/</span></font></a></span></font>
^^^^^^^^^^<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com"
title="davidalexanderstewart@gmail.com">David Stewart</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net" title="pct-l@backcountry.net">pct-l@backcountry.net</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, January
13, 2008 4:59 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [pct-l] clothing
question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am having some trouble deciding about an insulating layer. Everyone raves
about the WM Flight Jacket. I have no doubts that that sucker is nice and warm.
But I am a warm sleeper and generally warm all the time. I hardly ever use a
2nd layer while hiking, unless it is cold and raining. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I will have two baselyer shirts with me, Marmot Precip Jacket and a TNF
Windstopper Vest. I am debating to go with the WM Flash vest, or the Flight
vest. I could imagine the Flight Jacket being simply too warm, except perhaps
in the Sierras (but there is some 2300 other miles of trails to carry the
jacket...). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Layer up? or is it really that cold?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>my bag will be the WM Summerlite. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>one last question to ponder: Is anyone slicker than Tom Brady?
seriously.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-moondog<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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