When my foster daughter and I hiked in Yosemite, we hiked out on the Twin Lakes trail. It was HOT and there was very little shade. We found that with a full pack, we could only hike from shade tree to shade tree before our heart was racing and we were gasping.......and the trees weren't all that far apart. But in between was only scrub and sun....very tough hiking. So the desert is daunting. I'll have my umbrella.....and my Hubba tent, that has a rain fly that can be set up separate from the tent, with the poles, and used as trail shade any time. Cool!<br><br>Wheeew<br><br><b><i>Donna Saufley <dsaufley@sprynet.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1250"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:*
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{mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">It doesn’t matter whether you cut slits or not, the sun is still beating on your head, and you will feel it. Perhaps you, like Brick and my husband, are very tolerant of heat and don’t mind this. It simply slays me when I am trying to do a challenging physical activity (I’ve been known to sit under a bush, panting like an animal). <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I have a real hard time with heat escaping from my head when it’s hot. I wear visors rather than hats for sun protection because of this. In fact, I never wear my bike helmet when climbing on my mountainbike because I overheat, despite the ample ventilation in the helmet (I bring it along to wear on descents). But oh, my, sweet, merciful shade makes such a big difference, even if it’s only partial. It’s funny how much you come to treasure a spot of shade or a puff of clouds that obscure the sun and make it stop beating on you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Like I said, many, many hikers obtain, create or modify umbrellas here. If you don’t think you’ll want one, start without it, or bounce it ahead. It may be something you only want for So Cal, so buying a really cheap one that you doctor up with mylar creates something you won’t mind throwing away or leaving in a hiker box.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Another non-umbrella option is to take siestas during the heat of the day, and hike at night or at least in the cooler morning and evening hours. Some hikers rig shade shelters out of mylar (or
other materials) using their trekking poles and line to wait out the worst of the heat. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">L-Rod<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Patrick Beggan [mailto:meta474@gmail.com] <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:48 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Donna Saufley; pct-l@backcountry.net<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [pct-l] Umbrellas</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">So it's a question of ventilation? Why not just cut some slits in the body of your hat, above the brim? Seems it would be smarter to have the somewhat lesser coverage of a wide-brimmed hat and hike only in the early morning and afternoon (thus avoiding most of the bad direct radiation anyway),
sitting out the hottest part of the day in the shade. That's how the Bedouin do it anyway. Save on weight and discomfort and simply re-arrange your hiking hours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Donna Saufley wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><u1:smarttagtype
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> </u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype><div link="blue" vlink="blue" style=""> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Just another one of so many choices that make everyone different and their hike and preferences unique to them.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Though I haven’t done any desert sections in the heat and therefore have not
had need for an umbrella, if I were to hike the desert when it’s hot I would consider giving an umbrella (and hands-free holder) a try. It’s astonishing how much cooler it is in the shade when the sun is blazing hot. If you’re wearing a hat only, the sun beats directly on your head, albeit through your hat, and you are essentially feeling all the heat because it’s directly on you. If you elevate that boundary, and keep the sun from actually reaching you, you will not have the sun on your head at all and presumably be much cooler. And, as Wheeew said, heat can better escape from your head. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:
black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Many hikers start without umbrellas, and we’ve had fairly large numbers of hikers buying/making/outfitting mylar umbrellas at Hiker Heaven every season. There must be good reason for it, and it may be worth experimenting with. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">L-Rod<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></font></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> </span></font></span><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"><a href="mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net">pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a> [<a href="mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net">mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Patrick Beggan<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:46 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>JOHNNY J FARBER;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:pct-l@backcountry.net">pct-l@backcountry.net</a><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[pct-l] Umbrellas</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <u1:p></u1:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">What is this obsession with umbrellas? I mean, seriously, I'm not being a troll here -- why do so many people like them? I tried it once and it wasn't any different for me than a wide-brimmed hat and a good long-sleeve t-shirt but considerably more weight since you generally need to still carry a hat and a shirt
anyway.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Most of the heat in the desert is reflected from the ground anyway so overhead cover only helps the direct radiation. Doesn't seem worth it to me.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color:
black;"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">On Jan 22, 2008, at 1:02 PM, JOHNNY J FARBER wrote:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;"><br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <u1:p></u1:p><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"> <div leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" acc_role="text" canvastabstop="true" name="Compose message area" id="MailContainerBody"> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: black;">We followed the Jardine method of rubber banding the mylar to the umbrella which worked great. He recommended using the small rubber
bands from an orthodonist. The wind turned our umbrellas inside out a few times, but most of time they were lifesavers. Campmor sells a metallic coated treking umbrella 24.99--spf 50+--this is what we are using this year. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: black;">JOURNELS---I would like to know the address of a user friendly journel site. Despite the fear that all the comments have struck into my heart, I still want to write a journel of our 2008 trip. Just kidding about the fear--many of the comments are helpful. Besides I gave up fear (at least I don't let it stop me) when I fought cancer in 2006. <span class="apple-converted-space"> <st1:city u2:st="on"><st1:place
u2:st="on"></st1:place></st1:city></span><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sharon</st1:place></st1:City><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>"Free" (from fear & cancer) Farber<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: black;">_______________________________________________<br> Pct-l mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Pct-l@backcountry.net">Pct-l@backcountry.net</a><br> To unsubscribe or change list options (digest, etc):<br> <a href="http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l">http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> </div> </span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
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