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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes, definitely an intentional “set
up”! (such a perceptive guy…)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And as I suspected, “The Herd”,
as close to Morena as Rodriguez Water Tank, is as big as a Boy Scout Troop…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And just a little further up it dwindles
to less.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just read Donna’s last post.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Donna- I think the reason this subject
gets as much attention as bear cans, dogs, guns… is that there is this suggestion
that the ADZPCTKO is somehow detrimental to The Trail itself. I think you distilled
it down to LNT issues at campsites yesterday, and then switched to quotas and
trail town impacts and it’s affects of Hikers themselves.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From what Monty witnessed, it’s OFF
trail that is most affected by a “Herd”. Mt Laguna probably gets
the fullest brunt of a long string of hikers, but from what I’ve heard
and read, the General Store is more than happy to serve them! <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Warner</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Springs</st1:PlaceName>
is next, but isn’t <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Warner</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Springs</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> essentially a
resort town that caters to visitors? After that it’s Idyllwild and Big
Bear that probably doesn’t even notice an additional couple hundred “tourists”
on the streets.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Donna’s primary concern for hikers
is commendable, but if she had her wish granted and ADZPCTKO was discontinued,
would quotas not still be a threat? Would not trail towns still see a surge in
visitors who clean out their store shelves and swamp their post offices? And
after all, it’s the Hikers themselves that will “vote with their feet”
(I’ve been waiting SO long to use that cliché!) and attend ADZPCTKO or
not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In any case, ADZPCTKO will continue. It’s
grown a lot since I first attended just a few years ago. Those who decide to
avoid, boycott or oppose it may or may not be missed, but it will continue
nonetheless. With folks like Scott and Andy getting attention from the
mainstream media, I suspect awareness of our Long Trails will grow and more
people will dream and plan through and section hikes on them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think I read an interesting quote
recently- “growth without planning is called cancer” (or something like
that). Planning takes organization. I think ADZPCTKO is one of only two
organizations that are specifically concerned with the PCT. It certainly is
more visible, accessible or interactive with the majority of those who actually
USE the Trail than the PCTA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hey Monte- I sent you an e-mail regarding the
wind farm and I got it bounced back. I’ll resend (it had some photos
attached), but to answer your question- no. I have no contact info.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces@backcountry.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>montypct<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 28, 2008
11:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PCT-L<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [pct-l] Let's Hear From
The 2007 Thru Hikers...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Big Bear hanging out. I could harldy walk and stayed a few
days. They just kept coming. 25 or so when I was there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2007 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Rodriguez Water Tank was crowded (12 campers)6 days before the Kick
Off.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Three of us went ½ mile further to camp.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The Third Gate had about 8 congregating but 6 staying there. There are
3 established tent sites.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I bivied up on the trail a mile or so later. There’s not many
places to camp up there after the third gate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For the rest of the trail the biggest clump I can remember on the trail
was six people except at Deep Creek. There was also an informal group of
seven of us who were hiking together an occasional minute here and there. We
chose that clump.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The Warner Springs Post Office was Swamped with one less employee, but
a little less traffic than usual. Still too much to wish on one person who has
been taking care of us thru-hikers for 20 years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The BIG groups were in the towns and at the trail Angel’s places.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Warner Springs the Wednesday before the kick Off. Had ton’s<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Big Bear…. Nature’s <st1:place w:st="on"><u1:place>Inn</st1:place></u1:place>
was full and a lot of hikers were staying at the Motel 6.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Wrightwood didn’t seem that crowded.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Other than the Kick Off, the biggest group of people I saw were at the
Sauffley’s, by far. If you’ve been there you would understand why.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think people are just posing as hikers so they can stay there. My
hiking partner had foot problems. We stayed an extra day or two.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Missed the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><u1:City><u1:place>Anderson</st1:place></st1:City></u1:place></u1:City>’s
this year, but it sounded like a couple of hikers moved in permanently and a
lot of stayed multiple days.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u1:place><u1:PlaceName><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hiker</span></font></st1:PlaceName></u1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on"><u1:PlaceType>Town</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></u1:PlaceType></u1:place>
10-12 of us daytime, but a lot of us moved on.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I saw very few in Tehachapi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>But a big crowd at Meadow Ed’s Birthday party for a few days at
Kennedy Meadows.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We got the last two rooms at our Motel in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><u1:City><u1:place>Independence</st1:place></st1:City></u1:place></u1:City>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I was able to get a room at VVR<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Mammoth wasn’t crowded<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>15 hikers at Tuolumne Meadows in very early July.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
What was YOUR impression of "The Herd"? Was it a trampling army, or
was<br>
The Trail as busy as the JMT on a typical summer weekend?<br>
<br>
This is a set up. Are you trying to prove a point? We all know the
answer to that one. :0)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>>What was YOUR impression of "The Herd"?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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