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1. Re: Wet foot/Cold Foot - Footwear Choice (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)
2. Rocker patches (lint at riseup.net)
3. (no subject) (Chris Knight)
4. Re: (no subject) (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)
5. Fwd: Rocker patches (ks1007 at aol.com)
6. Re: Rocker patches (Brett)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:04:05 -0500
From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Wet foot/Cold Foot - Footwear Choice
To: <uppersky at yahoo.com>, cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
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Chris -
For the most part I wouldn't argue about sloshing through the water. But
there are times
when it's not necessarily a great idea. In '99 I did that - and got
frostbitten toes. Which
then caused me to throw a clot and end up with a not-so-nice case of
phlebitis. Read that
as "possible/probable stroke if not fixed".
Fact is that I no longer wear trail runners because after trying nearly 2
dozen different
brands/models, I've never found one that doesn't give me foot problems.
And, in fact, my
ortho mechanic has now given me orders to NOT use them (for other reasons).
So don't make
generalized assumptions about the universality of trail runners as the
ultimate long distance
footwear. It ain't so.
Walk softly,
Jim
OK, since we're apparently doing this - AT92, CDT99, PCT00, CDT06, GDT07
Haven't done that in years.
http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:11:25 -0800
From: uppersky at yahoo.com
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Wet foot/Cold Foot - Footwear Choice
I just gotta chime in here on this subject. Everybody has got to hike their
own hike, especially when it comes to footwear on one of these long
trails... Myself, I have never considered wearing heavier footwear then a
good solid pair of trail runners with appropriate arch support inserts. I
just slog thru what ever water obstacle happens across my path and rarely
even stop to empty out the shoes on the other side. It's not a big deal,
really. Especially after one is trail hardened, which I think is the key to
this. Once a thru-hiker has his/her gear down to a reasonable weight the
need for heavy boots and the extra sandals or whatever you will need to put
on to keep those boots from getting submerged goes out the window... The
trade off for cold/wet feet, especially on the CDT, is always an extra
incentive to keep moving. Which is not a bad thing on one of these buggers
if you want to finish. chris knight PCT 01 / AT 06 / CDT O8
From: RICHARD OSTHEIMER <rick.ostheimer at sbcglobal.net>
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 6:45:15 PM
Subject: [Cdt-l] Wet foot/Cold Foot - Footwear Choice
I'm with MtnEd on this one. I wore my LaSportiva Makalu's on both the AT
and PCT. Yep, they're heavy compared to trail runners, but at the end of a
25 or 30 mile day coming out of town with 30 lbs, my feet aren't sore. On
the PCT, I tried a section north of Ashland, OR using trail runners,
Montrail Hardrocks. These were well broken in. After the initial bout of
blisters that kept me down to 7 miles the day out of Crater Lake, I started
noticing that my mileage fell off and that my feet were sore after about 22
or so miles. The blister issue with the Hardrocks was much worse than I had
starting out on either the AT or PCT with the Makalu's. Plead, successfuly,
with the post(master/mistress) at Cascade Locks to forward my bounce bucket
back to Sisters and switched back to my boots. What a relief!
However, for this year's CDT, I'm still planning to give the trail runners
another try for the Gila River section. Who know's, I might just become a
convert. I just can't see stopping at every river crossing to doff the
boots and put on the Crocs. When wearing boots, I make an effort to keep
stream water from overflowing into them as well as to prevent rain water
from running down my legs and filling them up. If the ford looks over the
top of the boots, I stop and switch to Crocs held in place with a length of
bear back line. Although my boots don't have goretex and aren't waterproof,
once they are wet, they do take a lo-o-ong time to dry, and while they are
wet, they weigh several extra pounds each.
One other point, although the boots have an expensive price tag, overall
they're more economical. My LaSportiva's did all of the PCT except the
Ashland-Sisters section and, after a visit to Dave, The Cobbler in Seattle
are still going strong.
Handlebar
AT06, PCT08
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:04:49 -0800 (PST)
From: lint at riseup.net
Subject: [Cdt-l] Rocker patches
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
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Rocker patches are in the process of being made. After all the good input
received, I decided the most inclusive design would be END TO END. That
way it doesn't distinguish between thru and section hikers, or those who
took shorter/longer routes. I hope everyone likes this design, but if you
want something different, remember anyone can make their own design and
have it made!
I ordered 50 patches, and they should be done in a month. They should be
pretty cheap too, since I ordered them in bulk. Not positive how I'll be
getting them out to folks, I really don't have the time/space to mail them
out myself to individuals. Postage and all that jazz adds up.
Once I have them in hand, I'll post a link to a picture and give ordering
info. Again, thanks to all who gave suggestions.
Lint
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:40:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Knight <uppersky at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Cdt-l] (no subject)
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Jim,???You're right. I stand corrected.? Just because I have been lucky
enough to avoid frostbite and foot problems?is no reason?to give what may
turn out to be?irresponsible advice?to someone who may not be so
lucky.??Which upon rereading my comments is how it came?out.? If I ever feel
the need to "chime in" again,?I'll give it a lot more thought first.??
chris
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:05:13 -0500
From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] (no subject)
To: <uppersky at yahoo.com>, cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
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Chris -
That wasn't meant as a "correction" - more of an "opinion". But I felt
moved to answer
because I've seen a LOT of the "running shoes are the only way to go"
arguments over
the last 20 years. And I thought it might be time to point out that not all
of us "can"
do that. Sometimes I wish I could. I'm not in a common group, though, so my
opinion
is what you might call a "minority report".
IOW - don't get too much into mea culpa mode.
Walk softly,
Jim
http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:40:53 -0800
From: uppersky at yahoo.com
To: Cdt-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [Cdt-l] (no subject)
Jim, You're right. I stand corrected. Just because I have been lucky
enough to avoid frostbite and foot problems is no reason to give what may
turn out to be irresponsible advice to someone who may not be so lucky.
Which upon rereading my comments is how it came out. If I ever feel the
need to "chime in" again, I'll give it a lot more thought first.
chris
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:31:22 -0500
From: ks1007 at aol.com
Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: Rocker patches
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have them send you what it costs and a self addressed stamped envelope
el coyote
Keith
Deming, NM
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From: lint at riseup.net
To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:04 pm
Subject: [Cdt-l] Rocker patches
Rocker patches are in the process of being made. After all the good input
eceived, I decided the most inclusive design would be END TO END. That
ay it doesn't distinguish between thru and section hikers, or those who
ook shorter/longer routes. I hope everyone likes this design, but if you
ant something different, remember anyone can make their own design and
ave it made!
I ordered 50 patches, and they should be done in a month. They should be
retty cheap too, since I ordered them in bulk. Not positive how I'll be
etting them out to folks, I really don't have the time/space to mail them
ut myself to individuals. Postage and all that jazz adds up.
Once I have them in hand, I'll post a link to a picture and give ordering
nfo. Again, thanks to all who gave suggestions.
Lint
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:28:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Brett <blisterfree at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Rocker patches
To: "lint at riseup.net" <lint at riseup.net>, "cdt-l at backcountry.net"
<cdt-l at backcountry.net>
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But it should read End to Ender, no? The 'er' signifies ownership of
the achievement. This is the Green Mtn Club's terminology anyway.
lint at riseup.net wrote:
> Rocker patches are in the process of being made. After all the good input
> received, I decided the most inclusive design would be END TO END. That
> way it doesn't distinguish between thru and section hikers, or those who
> took shorter/longer routes. I hope everyone likes this design, but if you
> want something different, remember anyone can make their own design and
> have it made!
> I ordered 50 patches, and they should be done in a month. They should be
> pretty cheap too, since I ordered them in bulk. Not positive how I'll be
> getting them out to folks, I really don't have the time/space to mail them
> out myself to individuals. Postage and all that jazz adds up.
> Once I have them in hand, I'll post a link to a picture and give ordering
> info. Again, thanks to all who gave suggestions.
> Lint
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