[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 17
Brooks Wilson
wilson.brooks at gmail.com
Tue Jul 10 22:26:56 CDT 2012
I feel like it isn't complete unless blister is blamed somehow. But
seriously bicker all you want in personal emails.
On Jul 10, 2012 8:48 PM, <cdt-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:
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> 1. Re: PLEASE STOP!! (Jim and_or Ginny Owen)
> 2. Re: Civility on the CDT-L (jimniedbalski at aol.com)
> 3. Fwd: Civility on the CDT-L (ks1007 at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:13:57 -0400
> From: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] PLEASE STOP!!
> To: <yeti1938 at fultek.com>, cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
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> Yup! It IS nonsense. Name-calling is stupid and counterproductive. It
> IS kindergarden.
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> http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/
> > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:00:15 -0600
> > From: yeti1938 at fultek.com
> > To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [Cdt-l] PLEASE STOP!!
> >
> > This is really getting like the pct-l now & is total nonsense! This is a
> > site to help each other, not call each other names. This is worse than
> > kindergarten.
> > Yeti
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> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:14:55 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jimniedbalski at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
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> I guess this is what happens when someone tries to add a call for a
> little tolerance. Longhiker, you are confusing me with, I assume, Jim Wolf.
> Did you read the address on my e-mail? I don't know you and you don't know
> me, and your comments have little to do with what I wrote.
> Jim (not Wolf)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wingnut <wingnut.hiker at gmail.com>
> To: 'Andrew' <longhiker.pct at gmail.com>; jimniedbalski <
> jimniedbalski at aol.com>; cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 9:49 pm
> Subject: RE: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
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>
>
> This is true. We need to have this discussion. Thank You.
>
>
> Wingnut
>
>
>
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:47 PM
> To: jimniedbalski at aol.com; cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
> This is a crock. You have thrived on user conflicts for years. You waged
> an incessant, protracted war against CDTA. What is amazing to me is that
> even after CDTA bit the dust, you can?t let it go.
>
> The trail will be fine, I think, but you have become irrelevant.
>
> AJ (longhiker)
> longhiker.pct at gmail.com
>
>
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of jimniedbalski at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:47 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
>
>
> longhiker, perhaps you can read Cupcake's original post again. It was
> not a malicious attack on the MWA. he simply questioned the policy of
> bicycle and motorized use, and made it clear HE doesn't like it and
> questions the long-term impact of wheeled uses, both human and machine. In
> your opinion it is misguided -- that's fine -- but it wasn't rude or
> inappropriate. I bet lots of CDT supporters struggle with the
> bicycle/motorcycle issue.
>
> I would also bet the MWA struggles with it as well, and it's doing the
> best it can.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew <longhiker.pct at gmail.com>
> To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>; cdt-l <
> cdt-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
> It was not me that started this ? It was started by a totally
> misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually
> doing something to improve the CDT.
>
>
>
>
>
> AJ (longhiker)
>
> longhiker.pct at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> From: Mark Nienstaedt [mailto:mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: longhiker.pct at gmail.com
> Subject: Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
>
>
>
> Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person. You should check your impulses
> to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off
> sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L. This is a public forum and the
> ethic ought to be civility. I think your substantive point that the
> Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of
> hiker support was a good one. But you were steadily undermining its impact
> with the extraneous comments. We all belong within the hiker community and
> should feel welcome on trail.
>
>
>
>
>
> We all support avoiding user conflicts. It's too late in the game to keep
> motorized recreationalists off public lands. But it is not too late to
> keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT. That ought to be our common
> goal.
>
>
>
>
>
> Buffalo Jump Sly!
>
>
> AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11 & aspiring to the CDT 2013...
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:48:13 -0400 (EDT)
> From: ks1007 at aol.com
> Subject: [Cdt-l] Fwd: Civility on the CDT-L
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
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> wow - for once it's not me being yelled at but still good reading
>
>
>
> Keith and Mary
> Deming, NM
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jimniedbalski <jimniedbalski at aol.com>
> To: cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 6:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
>
>
> longhiker, perhaps you can read Cupcake's original post again. It was
> not a malicious attack on the MWA. he simply questioned the policy of
> bicycle and motorized use, and made it clear HE doesn't like it and
> questions the long-term impact of wheeled uses, both human and machine. In
> your opinion it is misguided -- that's fine -- but it wasn't rude or
> inappropriate. I bet lots of CDT supporters struggle with the
> bicycle/motorcycle issue.
> I would also bet the MWA struggles with it as well, and it's doing the
> best it can.
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew <longhiker.pct at gmail.com>
> To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>; cdt-l <
> cdt-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
>
> It was not me that started this ? It was started by a totally
> misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually
> doing something to improve the CDT.
>
>
> AJ (longhiker)
> longhiker.pct at gmail.com
>
>
> From: Mark Nienstaedt [mailto:mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: longhiker.pct at gmail.com
> Subject: Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
>
> Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person. You should check your impulses
> to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off
> sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L. This is a public forum and the
> ethic ought to be civility. I think your substantive point that the
> Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of
> hiker support was a good one. But you were steadily undermining its impact
> with the extraneous comments. We all belong within the hiker community and
> should feel welcome on trail.
>
>
>
> We all support avoiding user conflicts. It's too late in the game to keep
> motorized recreationalists off public lands. But it is not too late to
> keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT. That ought to be our common
> goal.
>
>
>
> Buffalo Jump Sly!
>
> AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11 & aspiring to the CDT 2013...
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew <longhiker.pct at gmail.com>
> To: 'Mark Nienstaedt' <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>; cdt-l <
> cdt-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 8:30 pm
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
>
> It was not me that started this ? It was started by a totally
> misguided, malicious attack against one of the resources that is actually
> doing something to improve the CDT.
>
>
> AJ (longhiker)
> longhiker.pct at gmail.com
>
>
> From: Mark Nienstaedt [mailto:mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:05 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: longhiker.pct at gmail.com
> Subject: Civility on the CDT-L
>
>
>
> Longhiker I'm sure you are a fine person. You should check your impulses
> to tell other hikers to "Get over it", "Stay home", & etc., and leave off
> sneering about "philosophers" on the CDT-L. This is a public forum and the
> ethic ought to be civility. I think your substantive point that the
> Montana Wilderness Association is a valued organization and deserving of
> hiker support was a good one. But you were steadily undermining its impact
> with the extraneous comments. We all belong within the hiker community and
> should feel welcome on trail.
>
>
>
> We all support avoiding user conflicts. It's too late in the game to keep
> motorized recreationalists off public lands. But it is not too late to
> keep them off a silent, hiker dedicated CDT. That ought to be our common
> goal.
>
>
>
> Buffalo Jump Sly!
>
> AT '02, JMT '03, LT '05, PCT '11 & aspiring to the CDT 2013...
>
>
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