[Cdt-l] yearly

Tue Apr 16 22:29:05 CDT 2013

Wow I just walked from crazy cook to Gila NF , trying to sleep on the side of Tyrone road. Anyway who the hell would bathe in those eww ..  Well there was one that would have made a great shower .. I'm not telling 

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On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:20 PM, bcss at bresnan.net wrote:

> With the possible exception of a few mining claims, I am not aware of any private property that the “official” trail crosses between Crazy Cook and Silver City.  It is located on public land and as long as you stick close to the trail you have every right to be there.   
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> Most of the ranchers own a few hundred (or less) acres and the other 100,000+ acres they raise cattle on belong to the public. They do own improvements they make, such as windmills, pumps, and water tanks.  Hikers need to respect those improvements and appreciate that the hike would be much drier without them.    
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> Jerry Brown
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> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Matt Signore
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:14 PM
> To: Jonathan Ley
> Cc: <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] yearly
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> Ranchers don't need hikers.  They just need taxpayers to pay for their land.  I don't mind the cows really.  Since the first thing I want in town is a huge cheeseburger.
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> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jonathan Ley <jonathan at phlumf.com> wrote:
> Even if it is a joke, or based on bad info... It still matters, just as a matter of courtesy, as Bob mentioned. 
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> If you get into an argument with a rancher, when you're on their land, or leased land... You will lose the argument no matter how many facts are on your side. This goes for more than just this issue. Just try convincing a local person anywhere (worldwide) that you as an outsider know more about X than they do. It rarely works. 
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> Aside from all that, who in the world would try to get clean in a stock pond - yuk!
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> Jonathan 
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> On Apr 16, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net> wrote:
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> Having been a cattle rancher, I can say I’ve never seen cattle turn down any water source, even ones I wouldn’t touch. That said, dirt and floaties don’t bother them. Now if too many people bathed in them, the soap and body oils would foster bacteria and algae growth, which takes time to clean out, to say nothing of the cost of the water to refill.
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> People have died violently over western water rights. Courtesy demands your compliance. Hikers NEED the ranchers’ good will; ranches do not need hikers.
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> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:52 AM
> To: ks1007 at aol.com; Continental Divide Trail
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] yearly
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> i still think a rancher was pulling your leg about having to refill the cattle stock ponds. i can't imagine cattle give a crap, given some of the stock tanks i've seen. other, probably better reasons not to swim in the tanks is 1) other people will be using it for drinking water, and 2) it is being disrespectful of the courtesy extended by the ranchers letting us get drinking water from their tanks -- which is probably the main reason the ranchers are pissed. Sort of like swimming uninvited in your backyard pool. -Ron
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> On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:52 AM, ks1007 at aol.com wrote:
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> there are 2 yearly reminders that I do and haven't yet - #1 - if you feel the need to carry weed on you in southern NM - don't - too many border patrol around - one year a BP stopped a hiker and made him take everything from his pack - wait till you get farther north - a rocky mtn high is great - been there #2 - when the weather get's warmer the cattle stock ponds will look inviting to swim in - don't - the cows will not drink from it due to human smells and this pisses off the ranchers - they have to empty it and clean it out and then refill - with a major drought going on water is valuable and limited - the ranchers have enough problems with the illegals batheing in them 
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> Keith
> Deming, NM
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