[Cdt-l] CDT Integration

Fri Jan 4 20:57:49 CST 2013

I must confess, the idea of all those wilderness trails returning to a
natural state because of changing  social and political interests  sounds
exciting.  

Too bad I'll miss it. 

-Trew

From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of cicelyb250 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 7:19 PM
To: bobsartini at gmail.com; spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com
Cc: cdt-l at backcountry.net; dthibaul07 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CDT Integration

Think "culture"/"race" will  have little to do with what the future will
bring with "funding" of trails/parks etc.  Golly what was the "background"
of the President who said "you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all" or
the President who in 2009 alone designated 2 million unprotected areas into
wilderness.?  As hikers of these wonderful trails I think we all have the
responsibility to educate others as to their value.

CicelyB

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sartini <bobsartini at gmail.com>
To: Jim and_or Ginny Owen <spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com>
Cc: dthibaul07 <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>; cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CDT Integration

Jim: 

My grandfather  game here from Italy  in 1905. My wife's family fled the
pogroms of eastern Europe. 

They were immigrants with no tradition of out door recreation beyond working
as peasants.

But eventually their grand children turned into Americans just like the
Asians and Mexicans and all immigrants of today will turn into Americans
with all the varied interests of Americans. When people get established
economically some of them will choose to play outdoors. Black Americans have
barely just begun to be accepted as Americans in the last generation despite
all they have put up with. 

I expect all of the aforementioned to participate in out door recreation in
similar proportions as the rest of us.  Eventually. The real issue is
whether the proportion of everyone's participation goes down to irrelevancy.
Will anyone want to fund the parks?

bob

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jim and_or Ginny Owen
<spiriteagle99 at hotmail.com> wrote:

Peter - 
Your question has far greater implications than most people here realize.
We discussed this 
several times on at-l while it was still a serious hiking forum - which
means a long time ago.  

To make this short - it's a cultural thing.  And it's a survival problem for
all the long trails.  
Many cultures would never think of going out "into the woods."  In part
because that 's where 
the "animals" live.  And in part because one lives in a tent, gets "dirty",
etc - and in their culture 
only the poor live like that.  Even in the States, that culture persists -
and propagates.  

And propagation is the root of a problem that has been and continues to be
ignored.  Right now 
the "non-integrated" are minorities.  That is NOT a permanent situation.
When they become majorities, 
why would anyone believe that they will not be represented in government?
And why would anyone 
believe that they will vote to continue funding trails that they and their
people will never use?  

Demographics are inexorable and unavoidable.  

So your question may have been a lot of other things, but it is not
inconsequential.  

And my answer to your friend is that he would be welcome on the Trail.  

Jim

http://www.spiriteaglehome.com/

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From: petersustr at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:17:53 -0700
To: altongbay at aol.com
CC: cdt-l at backcountry.net; dthibaul07 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CDT Integration

My question originated from one of my friends (black guy) who was joking
around that he didn't want to be the 'where's waldo' of the CDT if he joined
me this summer for a section.  All in good humor, not trying to start
anything :) 

Peter "CzechXpress"

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@Couch2CDT on Twitter

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:21 AM, <altongbay at aol.com> wrote:

bet he was surprised to see you and Judy coming out of the woods

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sartini <bobsartini at gmail.com>
To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
Cc: cdt-l <cdt-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 5:49 am
Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] CDT Integration

When we first moved to VT many years ago. We went off into the woods
exploring and  "got turned around". We approached a house to find out where
we were.  When we told the owner we came through the woods he said " I've
lived here ten years and have never been in that woods, there are animals
out there". he was white from NJ. So I doubt it's a race based thing but
certainly urban people have "nature deficit disorder"

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:43 PM, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com> wrote:

There definitely is a lot less minorities then there should be.  I have run
into a few Hispanic women but hardly any males,  I think it might be a
cultural thing.

I do remember a guy on the AT calling the urban youth groups "hoods in the
woods" programs.  

I thought it was great that these folks (mostly kids) got the chance to head
out into the woods for a few days.

I remember talking with one guy (teenager) as I walked into an AT shelter
with a bunch of berries I'd picked on the way in - he asked in a surprised
way "You can eat those?"  He had been walking by them all day and never
considered you could just find things to eat in the woods.  

I also remember a Marine I met many years ago telling me the first time he
ever left New York City was at age 18 - to go to Camp Lejuene in North
Carolina - and how it really freaked him out to be in the woods surrounded
by trees.  He said his unease started on the bus ride there and lasted for
months.  

Having grown up hiking, camping, and fishing in the woods I was blown away
that he was completely on edge being in the woods.  He told me he though
animals were going to attack him every minute.  

We need more minorities in the woods - the trails (wild areas) need all the
friends/support they can get....

Day-Late (white middle aged guy)

black and maybe 5% Asian and I can't recall meeting anyone that I
understood to be Hispanic.  On the AT I've met dozens if not hundreds of
"urban" youth groups out for a week or so. 

>

> We've all noticed when we go outdoors that every white middle aged guy
> goes outdoors but not enough minorities.
>

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