[pct-l] Quilts vs bags

[Bill Batchelor]

Personally, I avoid the cruelty problem by making my own Goose Down stuff.
I just use whole live geese so that I don't have to pluck them.  You should
see how lively my jacket is! And when they get really riled up the jacket is
very very warm.

BillB (YTNH)

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Saenz
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:55 PM
To: paul at bluebrain.ca; Matt Bradley; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Quilts vs bags

Nunatak made me an Arc Edge with their Ghost proportions and kept it at
15 ounces.
I tried it out in low-30 degree temps and found it comfortably warm.

Yes, a bit pricey, but very well made. The advertised ratings are
conservative. Mine is rated at 4 degrees, but as stated above, it keeps me
toasty in the low-30s (I didn't have a thermometer, but the forecasts for
high 20's- low 30's the day before when I checked- and it certainly felt
very cold that night!)


Michael  Saenz
Associate Partner

MVE & Partners, Inc. | Architecture + Planning + Interiors Irvine + Oakland
+ Honolulu

1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T
949.809.3388 | www.mve-architects.com

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mitchell
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:38 PM
To: Matt Bradley; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Quilts vs bags

Thanks Matt

Wow, the nunatak stuff is expensive!

Another consideration is the cruelty factor related to goose down.  I've got
three goose down bags, but recently I've found out that the process by which
this down is harvested subjects the geese to a lifetime of suffering, so I'd
like to buy synthetic from now on, whether it's the best option or not.

So, I've ordered the rayway couple quilt kit.  Now, what you say about the
sizing is very interesting!  Thanks for the tip, I would have just made it
to spec otherwise, but now I'll take care to experiment before cutting and
assembling.

Cheers,
Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Matt Bradley
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:34 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Quilts vs bags


Paul,
     I have been using quilts for my backpacking for years now and I have
been very pleased.  I have an old Golite Fur quilt, a Ray-Way homemade quilt
and a Nunatak Arc Alpinist.  The Nunatak is far-and-away the winner in
performance with a 20* rating for 18 oz.  My quilt is actaully 20 oz.
with 2
oz of overfill and I have slept under it in temps near 20* reasonably
comfortably.  If you go for the Ray-Way kit make sure to cut it wider than
you think you need it.  Even following Ray's instructions mine is only wide
enough to sleep on my back under and if I roll on my side it doesn't quite
reach the ground.
    For my anticipated 2008 PCT hike I am probably going to use some sort of
two-person quilt for me and my partner but I haven't quite decided what the
best option will be.  I really like the Dual Arc Alpinist but for nearly 600
dollars is is a hard pill to swallow.  Let us all know what you decide to do
and how it works out for you.
Peace and love,
Matt
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