[pct-l] Apache Peaks fire.
Georgi Heitman
bobbnweav at gmail.com
Wed Apr 30 20:21:27 CDT 2008
>From the stump photo I've seen, and the comments re the wind....I'd have to
be skeptical about getting close enough to try to beat it out with a tarp.
Using anything at hand including my feet to scrape a fire break several
feet away and starting with the side the wind was blowing toward might have
been a possibility, but everyone's comfort zone is different. I'm coming
from the view of a retired firefighter's other half.
FireFly
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> 2. Re: Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos) (AsABat)
> 3. Re: Tent stakes, water sources, and sun gloves (montypct)
> 4. Re: Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> (Scott Herriott)
> 5. Re: Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> (Donna Saufley)
> 6. Re: Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
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> 7. Re: Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
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> 8. Re: Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> (Donna Saufley)
> 9. Re: Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> (Donna Saufley)
> 10. Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos) (Postholer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:06:30 -0700
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
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> Journal entry of hiker(s) who called the fire in:
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?entry_id=2132
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> From: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> To: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
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> He has more photos on the Idyllwild newspaper site:
>
> http://www.towncrier.com/pctfire.html
>
> I'm a little concerned by a comment on another journal
>
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=da3dfe057f680d3790ea97c08c7d294a&entry_id=2125
> that "the fire has almost certainly been accidently started by other
> hikers being careless with their stove in the windy conditions" .
> This photo http://www.towncrier.com/pctfire_files/pctfire.1.jpg makes that
> questionable in my mind, given the stump looks too jagged to use as a
> table and not in a good place to use as a windbreak for a stove. Perhaps
> it was an old lightning strike fanned by new winds?
>
> AsABat
>
>
> On Wed, April 30, 2008 3:06 pm, Postholer wrote:
> > Journal entry of hiker(s) who called the fire in:
> > http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?entry_id=2132
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> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:21:47 -0700
> From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tent stakes, water sources, and sun gloves
> To: "Jeff Whitmer" <heynicemarmot at gmail.com>, <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The smaller bottle, which is always within easy reach, encourages me to
> stay
> hydrated and to top off my water supply when it might be easier to just
> skip
> it.
> I put a small water bottle pocket designed for easy access riding low on
> the
> bottom right of every pack.
> I very much prefer it (or maybe a 24 oz straight sided soda bottle) over a
> full liter bottle. Although sometimes I wish I had a wider mouthed bottle,
> I
> get the best for me from the cheap little half ounce water bottles that
> someone else would have tossed or recycled instead.
> Beyond that ReUse is the step above Recycle and with the 1000 miles I get
> out of each bottle, Reduce is the step above that.
>
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>
> Warner Springs Monty
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Whitmer" <heynicemarmot at gmail.com>
> To: <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tent stakes, water sources, and sun gloves
>
>
> >I was looking at these gloves. $28 with shipping.
> >
> http://www.coolibar.com/01004.html?source=adwordskt&words=sungloves&version=2
> >
> > As for the water treatment, I am confident that Aqua Mira can handle
> > anything I will have to treat. I am just more concerned about if it's
> > going
> > to be hard to fill up a platypus from the standard sources. I like the
> > idea
> > Monty had about using a smaller bottle to fill up.
> >
> > Thanks for the input!
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/30/08, taterno at cox.net <taterno at cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Jeff,
> >>
> >> The ground in socal is both hard and sandy, though mostly sandy or
> >> loose. I cowboy camp when possible to eliminate the need for a tent.
> >>
> >> I think, at least in socal, some of the sources can be pretty nasty -
> >> algae or animal contaminated. A filter is definitely needed. Further
> >> north, in the Sierra, Aqua Mira should suffice. I am seriously looking
> >> into
> >> the Aqua Mira Frontier Pro filter.
> >>
> >> I would use gloves, especially in the deserts and Sierra. Sunburnt
> hands
> >> are worse than the $28 expenditure in my book. Which brand of gloves
> are
> >> you looking at. I need to get some.
> >>
> >> Just my opinions. YMMV.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom KI6ASP
> >> The Incredible Bulk
> >>
> >> ---- Jeff Whitmer <heynicemarmot at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> =============
> >> I'm finishing up my gear shopping and I have a few random questions. I
> >> know
> >> I know, last minute.
> >>
> >> 1. Is the ground hard or sandy in socal. It's between round stakes and
> >> y-stakes.
> >>
> >> 2. I've read up on filters vs aquamira as far as effectiveness goes,
> but
> >> are
> >> the sources in socal easier to get to with a filter (hard to reach
> >> puddles,
> >> for example) or are they better suited to filling a water bag and then
> >> using
> >> chemicals (water spickets and troughs)?
> >>
> >> 3. Is sunblock good enough to protect hands when using poles, or should
> I
> >> fork out the $28 for sungloves?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any input!
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:29:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Scott Herriott <yetifan at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Asabat posted:
>
>
> >I'm a little concerned by a comment on another
> > journal
>
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=da3dfe057f680d3790ea97c08c7d294a&entry_id=2125
> > that "the fire has almost certainly been accidently
> > started by other
> > hikers being careless with their stove in the windy
> > conditions" .
> > This photo
> > http://www.towncrier.com/pctfire_files/pctfire.1.jpg
> > makes that
> > questionable in my mind, given the stump looks too
> > jagged to use as a
> > table and not in a good place to use as a windbreak
> > for a stove. Perhaps
> > it was an old lightning strike fanned by new winds?
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, that stump doesn't look very stove friendly.
> Where could one find data concerning recent lightning
> strikes in the area?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Squatch
> www.walkpct.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:39:06 -0800
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> To: "'Scott Herriott'" <yetifan at yahoo.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The stump doesn't really look like it's been struck by lightening, either;
> most trees/stumps that I've seen that have been struck really look zapped.
> Doesn't look like an arson fire, either. But it seems more likely to be a
> lightening strike than a stove fire -- I agree that isn't a place where
> anyone would cook. We had what felt like thunderstorm conditions a few
> days
> ago, though we saw no activity here. The most logical explanation I can
> come up with is flaming pee.
>
> L-Rod
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Scott Herriott
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:30 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
>
>
> Asabat posted:
>
>
> >I'm a little concerned by a comment on another
> > journal
>
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=da3dfe057f680d3790ea97c08c7
> d294a&entry_id=2125
> > that "the fire has almost certainly been accidently
> > started by other
> > hikers being careless with their stove in the windy
> > conditions" .
> > This photo
> > http://www.towncrier.com/pctfire_files/pctfire.1.jpg
> > makes that
> > questionable in my mind, given the stump looks too
> > jagged to use as a
> > table and not in a good place to use as a windbreak
> > for a stove. Perhaps
> > it was an old lightning strike fanned by new winds?
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, that stump doesn't look very stove friendly.
> Where could one find data concerning recent lightning
> strikes in the area?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Squatch
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> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Scott Herriott <yetifan at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> To: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> L-Rod wrote:
>
>
> <The most logical explanation I
> can
> come up with is flaming pee.>
>
>
>
> If only they had used penicillin first.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:43:48 -0700
> From: "Len Glassner" <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> To: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> No backpacking smokers out there, I hope.
>
> On 4/30/08, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> >
> > The most logical explanation I can
> > come up with is flaming pee.
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:46:20 -0800
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> To: "'AsABat'" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>, "'Postholer'"
> <public at postholer.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> What's really sad is that when the fire was this small, it could have been
> smothered (with dirt, a tarp, anything to cut off the oxygen) and put out
> before it spread. It's rare to have the opportunity to put out a fire
> when
> it was this small.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of AsABat
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:21 PM
> To: Postholer
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
>
> He has more photos on the Idyllwild newspaper site:
>
> http://www.towncrier.com/pctfire.html
>
> I'm a little concerned by a comment on another journal
>
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=da3dfe057f680d3790ea97c08c7
> d294a&entry_id=2125
> that "the fire has almost certainly been accidently started by other
> hikers being careless with their stove in the windy conditions" .
> This photo http://www.towncrier.com/pctfire_files/pctfire.1.jpg makes that
> questionable in my mind, given the stump looks too jagged to use as a
> table and not in a good place to use as a windbreak for a stove. Perhaps
> it was an old lightning strike fanned by new winds?
>
> AsABat
>
>
> On Wed, April 30, 2008 3:06 pm, Postholer wrote:
> > Journal entry of hiker(s) who called the fire in:
> > http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?entry_id=2132
> >
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> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
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> There are smokers among the thrus. I hope it's not the case.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Glassner [mailto:len5742 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:44 PM
> To: Donna Saufley
> Cc: Scott Herriott; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
>
> No backpacking smokers out there, I hope.
>
> On 4/30/08, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> >
> > The most logical explanation I can
> > come up with is flaming pee.
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
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> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:48:41 -0700
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
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> The tree is directly next to the trail; a main human by-way.
>
> It's just a bit too coincedental to think it was caused naturally. Maybe
> someone stubbed out a cigarette, tapped out their pipe or *whatever*, on
> the stump? Given all the places lightning could strike, the odds of it
> hitting right next to the trail have got to be enormous.
>
> >>>>
> given the stump looks too jagged to use as a table and
> not in a good place to use as a windbreak for a stove.
> Perhaps it was an old lightning strike fanned by new winds?
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> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:53:27 +0000
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> To: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>, "'Len Glassner'"
> <len5742 at gmail.com>
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> Unfortunately I agree. I was very surprising to see the numeous smokers
> on the trail in 2006. And while at KO, I saw numerous folks lighting up.
>
> Your observations Donna that it appeared small enough to put out does seem
> accurate, but it is difficult to access the situation with just this single
> picture. The comments and hysteria noted in the journal entry would seem to
> indicate it was a bit more extensive than what is shown in this picture.
>
> Let's hope they get this one under control soon as this is a beautiful
> section of trail and the herd is quickly approaching!
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
>
> > There are smokers among the thrus. I hope it's not the case.
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Len Glassner [mailto:len5742 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:44 PM
> > To: Donna Saufley
> > Cc: Scott Herriott; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Apache Fire Called in by PCT Hikers (with photos)
> >
> > No backpacking smokers out there, I hope.
> >
> > On 4/30/08, Donna Saufley wrote:
> > >
> > > The most logical explanation I can
> > > come up with is flaming pee.
> > >
> > > L-Rod
> > >
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