[pct-l] DEAD HORSES

Greg Hardwick gahardwick at cox.net
Sat Aug 23 12:56:07 CDT 2008


Do we really care?  Why is PCT-l so spastic?  AT-l threads are civil and 
respectful..What is it with all of you?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
To: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] DEAD HORSES


> Yes, Yes, Will,
> We heard it all before.....''I don't have anything against speed hikers,
> I just don't understand why anybody would want to speed through pristine
> wilderness like this....I don't understand how they can enjoy their 
> hike?''
> Does that sound familiar to you?
> If you and the other critics are so neutral why is that you are only
> slamming and criticizing Scott & Joe?
> Why are you not criticizing the other hikers that hiked through the
> closures?
> Why are you focusing on Scott & Joe?...I say sour grapes  may indeed be
> the suppressed reason.
>
> And yes, your mother was right when she said  ''If you don't have
> anything nice to say....."
> That is exactly the problem, the grumblers and self proclaimed critics
> had nothing nice to say they only grumbled and criticized.
> They never have anything nice to say about speed hikers....they just
> grumble.
> Are you starting to see the light?
>
> JMT Reinhold
> The one who has seen the light
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Will Hiltz wrote:
>> Rienhold-
>>
>> With respect, proclaiming this discussion as "beating a dead horse"
>> does not make it so.  Indeed, being dismissive of those who would
>> raise serious concerns does nothing to advance a civil discussion.
>> There are legitimate issues being pondered here and to send repeated
>> emails dismissing those issues as mere grumbling does not contribute
>> to productive discourse.  For my part, speed has never factored in my
>> interest in the issue of more effectively managing hikers traveling
>> through (or more ideally NOT traveling through) closed areas.  This is
>> of interest to folks who hike every year as closures happen every
>> year.  What was it my mother always said... if you don't have anything
>> nice to say....  Well, you know the rest.
>>
>>
>> YITOOD,
>>
>> Easy
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Reinhold Metzger
>> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net <mailto:reinholdmetzger at cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yes Joanne,
>>     I sympathize with you....All this grumbling and criticizing Scott
>>     & Joe, by a few individuals,
>>     has been upsetting to me also.
>>     Seems like every time someone like Scott & Joe goes on a speed or
>>     record hike a few self
>>     appointed ''Judges & Critics'' of proper hiking standards, who
>>     can't stand the thought of speed
>>     hikers zooming by them, feel compelled to criticize the speed hikers.
>>     This year was no exception.
>>     Other hikers have hiked through trail closures, but only Scott &
>>     Joe were singled out for
>>     criticism because speed hiking is frowned upon by those individuals.
>>     Ohh sure, they will proclaim ''I have nothing against speed
>>     hiking,'' but then grumble between
>>     their teeth.....Could sour grapes have something to do with it?
>>
>>     Yes Joanne, I recommend taking a hike to all my friends....it's
>>     great medicine....has a calming
>>     effect on people.
>>
>>     I don't know why this is so upsetting to you, as a fellow hiker
>>     you should know that hiking is
>>     good for you and recommending it to your friends should not be
>>     criticized.
>>
>>     Say Joanne, I am contemplating on going on another JMT speed hike.
>>     Would you like to come along?....It might calm you down.
>>
>>     BTW...The UL revolution and speed hiking are here to stay, so you
>>     might as well get used to it.
>>
>>     JMT Reinhold
>>
>>
>>     -----------------------------------------
>>
>>     Joanne writes:
>>     Actually, I have been finding all this Joe and Scott thing from you
>>     Rheinhold to a little over the top.
>>
>>     When I posted about Monstro ( Adam ), you were all in a panic that
>>     somebody
>>     that did not announce his intentions was somehow possibly going to
>>     upstage
>>     your buddies.
>>
>>     I admire speed and endurance, I do not admire the constant
>>     trumpeting of
>>     their attempt that has occurred over the previous months.
>>
>>     All the publicity and the trumpeting and the very public
>>     announcements of
>>     this attempt has put it in the public forum, and as such is open to
>>     criticism.  To tell detractors to "take a hike" does Scott and Joe a
>>     disservice.
>>
>>     Let them speak for themselves, rather than trying to share the
>>     spotlight
>>     with them.  Maybe you should be out hiking yourself.  Have you
>>     ever done a
>>     thruhike??
>>
>>     .
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     From: "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net
>>     <http://cox.net>
>>     <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
>>     To: <pct-l at backcountry.net <http://backcountry.net>
>>     <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
>>     Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:27 PM
>>     Subject: [pct-l] Scott & Joe update
>>
>>
>>     >/ Tortoise,
>>     />/ Compadre, good buddy, my friend....I'm proud of you....''YOU
>>     HAVE SEEN THE
>>     />/ LIGHT''....you are
>>     />/ finally accepting that it is ''THEIR'' hike and nobody else's
>>     hike.
>>     />/ As such it is also nobody's business how they hike their hike
>>     or to
>>     />/ criticize their hike.
>>     />/ And that my friend, has been the core of this argument from
>>     the beginning.
>>     />/
>>     />/ Take my advice Tortoise....the horse is dead....stop beating it.
>>     />/
>>     />/ Better yet, take a hike and I promise you, I will not
>>     criticize your hike
>>     />/ no matter how much I
>>     />/ disagree with your hiking style.
>>     />/ After all, it is your hike and it is not up to me to be a self
>>     appointed
>>     />/ judge or critic of
>>     />/ your hike.
>>     />/
>>     />/ Reinhold
>>     />/
>>     />/ --------------------------------------
>>     />/
>>     />/ why are you going ballistic?
>>     />/ It is Joe & Scott's hike, not yours.
>>     />/ It is their record not yours.
>>     />/
>>     />/ and if you can't stand that all of us don't agree with you
>>     that is your
>>     />/ problem.
>>     />/
>>     />/ so stop beating this "dead horse" and stop digging up old
>>     "dead horses".
>>     />/ You too Jeff.
>>     />/
>>     />/
>>     />/ And if Joe & Scott's record is such a big deal, why
>>     aren't/weren't you
>>     />/ there for a ceremony at the finish line?
>>     />/
>>     />/
>>     />/ Tortoise
>>     />/
>>     />/ <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>>     />/
>>     />/
>>     />/
>>     />/ Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>>     />>// That's right Jeff,
>>     />/ />/ Tortoise will get that record for sure....he is really
>>     good at beating
>>     />/ />/ dead horses....he has lot's of experience.
>>     />/ />/ He is a master at it.
>>     />/ />/
>>     />/ />/ JMT Reinhold
>>     />/ />/ ----------------------------------------
>>     />/ />/ Jeff wrote:
>>     />/ />/ jeff.singewald at comcast.net <http://comcast.net>
>>     />/ <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> wrote
>>     />/ />/ Beating a dead horse?  I'm in if there is a record to be
>>     attempted on
>>     />/ />/ this one!  This attempt may even be appropriate for the
>>     tortoise(s) we
>>     />/ />/ have on the list.
>>     />/ />>/
>>     />/ />>/
>>     />/ />>/     -------------- Original message --------------
>>     />/ />>/     From: "Joseph Anderson" <joedaddy44 at gmail.com
>>     <http://gmail.com>
>>     />/ <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
>>     />/ />>/
>>     />/ />>/     > Does "Beating a dead horse" mean anything to anyone?
>>     /
>>
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