[pct-l] Water Caches

Wed Jan 2 13:10:41 CST 2008

What did the Thru hikers do before there were water caches and trail angels
??

PCT MOM

On Jan 2, 2008 10:58 AM, Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:

>  I've never been so personally torn and divided on a issue.  It's not in
> my heart to deprive a hiker of something that helps them.  Yet I can't help
> but hear and share the concerns.  The benefit/consequence divide is so valid
> on either side of the discussion.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
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>
> *From:* pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Beggan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:47 AM
> *To:* pct-l at backcountry.net
> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Water Caches
>
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> A fair point, I suppose. I know all about regulation and how to draw
> attention to yourself invites it -- It's one of the first unwritten rules in
> the Army. However, well, I'll go ahead and be honest -- I would like to
> carry less water when I thru-hike in 08. :P
>
>
>
> But in all seriousness I guess it is a delicate issue. However, most
> people sure do like the caches. I've been in arid environments before and
> I'll tell you availability of water has a very direct impact on attitude and
> morale. I think the benefit of these caches goes beyond simple prevention of
> dehydration and makes the trail actually more enjoyable.
>
>
>
> Even with the increased risk of regulation that leaving water caches
> invites, I still say leave the situation as it is. This is something I would
> risk regulation for. What's the worst they can do, make water caches against
> the rules? That's what many people are suggesting in this discussion anyway.
> :)
>
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> On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Donna Saufley wrote:
>
>   You wrote the truth:  people will do what they will, and it will sort
> itself out eventually.  Unfortunately, it may sort itself out in some form
> of increased regulatory intervention.  It seems to be the practice of the
> USFS to shut down entirely that which they cannot manage effectively.  My
> observation down here in So Cal is that they are not remotely sympathetic or
> supportive of the needs of thru-hikers.  They shut down miles of trail for a
> two foot stream crossing where the Yellow Legged Frog lives. They've shut
> down most of the well water sources that were once available.  When sobo
> hikers have asked to go through the forest when they shut down during fire
> season (with no active fires):  even though the hikers have walked over
> 2,100 miles, and have less than 500 to go, the answer is a resounding "No."
>   Do we as a community want to allow these guys to make decisions for us
> when we can raise consciousness and change our behavior before that
> happens?  If we don't change our behavior, we will certainly get what we
> deserve, IMHO.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
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>
> *From:* pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [
> mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net>] *On
> Behalf Of *Patrick Beggan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:25 AM
> *To:* pct-l at backcountry.net
> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Water Caches
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> People like to make a big deal about these caches, as I can see from the
> last fifty water cache messages on here. :P But really, who is it hurting?
> If those empties are tied together then I don't see a problem... and if they
> aren't tied together, the problem isn't the water cache itself, it's the
> lack of organization.
>
>
>
> If you don't like using water caches because it takes some perceived (and
> I assure you, it's a value of perception) purity from your hike, don't use
> them. If you think people are starting to count on them as a sure-thing,
> well, they're going to learn that's not the case eventually. On the other
> hand, plenty of people are using these to make what would be an
> uncomfortable stretch into a comfortable stretch, starting with enough water
> to get across (but thirsty) without a cache and then using the cache as a
> luxury when they do come across it. Why ruin it for these people, doing it
> right, just because you're concerned about purity or less scrupulous hikers?
>
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> I say keep them how they are until someone in the park service says
> otherwise. People will do what they will do and this situation will sort
> itself out.
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> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Slyatpct at aol.com wrote:
>
>   In a message dated 12/28/2007 9:38:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> hikin_steve at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?jtype=photo&entry_id=641&photo_id=681
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> This is a photo from Len Roughgarden (2007 thru-hiker) at about mile 87,
> somewhere between Warner Springs and Mt. Laguna, showing all the empty water
> bottles. What an mess!
>
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> Yeah but not as messy as a cattle fouled source.  At least this can be
> cleaned up and the empties appeared to be tied together so they don't fly
> off..
>
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>
> Sly
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