[pct-l] cell coverage and wi-fi
d hans
dhonah775 at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 27 09:22:50 CST 2008
Hey Halfmile (and anyone else) -
I was wondering if anyone can say anything about wi-fi (not hardline) service (in towns, libraries, hotel parking lots, etc.), particularly from Campo to Kennedy Meadows. I checked out your cell phone coverage index and wondered if anyone would be interested in something similar regarding wi-fi.
So Verizon cell phones are basically useless then, right? My contract is up in Feb and I was planning on canceling anyway... Figured pay phones and email would be it.
Thanks y'all!!
Salix & Co.
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1. List of what I might need to take with me? (Sean Carey)
2. Re: List of what I might need to take with me? (Andrea Dinsmore)
3. Re: Low cost Thru (Tortoise)
4. Hiking north of highway 58 (Amanda L Silvestri)
5. LA rain (Postholer)
6. Introductions and IPhone question (Erik Turnberg)
7. Re: Introductions and IPhone question (Halfmile)
8. Re: Introductions and IPhone question (Rachael Howard)
9. List of what I might need to take with me? (Postholer)
10. The Cost Of Hiking (William A. Chavez)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:29:12 -0800
From: "Sean Carey" <seanpct75 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] List of what I might need to take with me?
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hello,
I am really wondering as I have been reading over many of the threads in
this forum and slowly compiling my own list of what to bring with me. I am
wondering if anyone that has thru hiked can list what it is they have
brought or would bring with them? I am going to be attempting a thru hike
starting in late April as far as I can tell. I also have been reading about
the budget needed and I guess it's also making me a little nervous. I do not
have a lot of money but am slowly putting money aside for this trip.
I am sure while I am on the trail some of this will change, but I believe I
cut out certain things to save me money on the way. Definitely including
limiting staying at hotels and etc. I know it is not the same as being on a
trail for 4-5 months, but I lived in my van for a year and learned a lot
about finding "free" recources that way. Showering in bathrooms etc.
Showering being wiping yourself down with soap and cloth and washing your
hair in a sink.
I guess what I am saying is I don't mind cutting down on some of these
comforts at all. I really want to do this. I have been doing lots of
research already and just want to find out more about what I can do. I will
pretty much probably be taking and spending whatever money I have and
possibly selling many of my possesions to do this. I do not mind grinding
out a job somewhere afterwards for while or whatever else I need to figure
out. This is something I really want to do.
Anyhow back to my question. I am simply wondering if anyone who has thru
hiked the pct can give me an idea of everything I might need to bring with
me? Also including information about ressuply areas or how that works and
how often I might need to do this? I was hoping maybe I could buy a lot of
the stuff I might need on the way. From what I have read though there are
some places where there are large distances in between and you need to send
supplies. I am trying to find out about all of this kind of stuff.
I want to thank you all so much ahead of time for any answers and help you
can give. I really do appreciate this forum being here. I searched around
and have found this so far to be the best place to come. I enjoy just
starting at the top of a thread and reading through as far as I can in one
sitting. Thank you very much.
Sean C.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:32:16 -0800
From: "Andrea Dinsmore" <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] List of what I might need to take with me?
To: "Sean Carey" <seanpct75 at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Check out some of the journals. A lot of them will list what they carried on
their hike.
PCT MOM
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:36:42 -0800
From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Low cost Thru
To: Steel-Eye <chelin at teleport.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
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As Steel-Eye has pointed out, how much the hike costs depends both on
how you spend you money and what you count.
The overall approach is to figure (estimate) what your financial
position is at the end of your hike (and back to work if relevant)
compared to what it would be if you had not hiked and carried on your
usual non-hike life.. Even with this approach, one must do some
estimating, but this will get you close to the real amount.
Then if you want to go further into the future, try to estimate your
life time earnings and/or financial position at retirement if you did
hike or didn't. Lots of imponderables here. Do you become addicted to
thru-hiking? Or will the experience enrich you such that you earn more?
And then what is the value of the additional money to you versus the
enjoyment you have?
I guess the end answer is that the overall cost of a thru hike is
impossible to measure.
One will never have enough information to make a decision. One gets the
information one can and then decides with a leap of faith that one has
chosen the best alternative.
Tortoise
<> He who finishes last, wins! <>
Steel-Eye wrote:
> Good evening, David,
>
> The short answer is, I have no idea what it will cost you, and other
> people's answers won't be of much use unless you know exactly what
> they did, or did not, include. The largest single cost increment for most
> hikers is the loss of income opportunity, i.e. the probable net income plus
> benefits that you will miss by being out of the job market for about half a
> year. If you want to see a small number just tell yourself that you would
> probably just sit on your butt anyway if you weren't on the trail. Since
> I'm retired that's my situation, but most younger hikers have to account
> for income loss.
>
> Another significant increment is household costs. If you have to continue
> to pay rent or a mortgage while on the trail it is an expense. If you won't
> continue to pay rent, you may have to pay for storage for household stuff.
> A similar cost could be the debt service on loans. Either continue
> to service the debt or push it out for 6 months and suffer the additional
> interest.
>
> Food is another big increment but since you have to eat anyway it could
> actually be less expensive to eat on the trail than at home. That all
> depends upon how often you would eat out if you were at home.
>
> An expense you won't know about until you have many trail miles under your
> sneakers is the cost for hotels and restaurants in trail towns, and the
> number of trail-town days you take. Food and lodging in town can easily
> cost as much as $100 per day, particularly the way hikers eat.
>
> Most serious long-distance hikers will take a look at the expense column,
> but usually in terms of assuring they have sufficient funds to bridge the
> work gap, or have some line-of-sight to a job when they return so they can
> work down the debt. I doubt if any serious hiker would think, "I only want
> to spend $1.00 per mile but since it looks like it may be $1.10 per mile I
> won't go."
>
> Steel-Eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Thibault" <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:23 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Low cost Thru
>
>
>
>> I was discussing the cost of a thru hike a while ago and this question
>> arose, how cheaply can a thru hike be done? I'm aware of the estimates of
>> $1/mi, etc. What I am interested in is how low cost has someone actually
>> done a thru in the last couple of years? Anyone want to brag as to how
>> little it costs for say '06 - '08 thru hikes. I'm looking for the amunt
>> of cash needed from leaving your house until you return 4-5 months later.
>> I'm interested in traditional thru hikes - not record breaking attempts,
>> as
>> I suspect they might not be representative of the typical hikers expenses.
>> Note: I'll be attempting a thru in '09 and do NOT plan a doing it for
>> minimum cost.
>> Day-late ('09 thru wannabe)
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:51:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Hiking north of highway 58
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Karen
?
It has been a year or two since last I hiked the area north of HWY 58 but I do recall a spring & troogh amidst the windmills.? I think that it was Golden Oak Spring in about 16 miles north of HWY 58.? In about another 10 miles you will cross a?dirt road that will lead to Miller Spring about a mile to the West.? I did not stop there and have no idea as to how it flows.? Otherwise the distance from Golden Oak Spring to Robin Bird Spring is some?18 miles.? More detail in the guide book.
?
Amanda (Shepherd)?
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:54:30 -0800
From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
Subject: [pct-l] LA rain
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Probably not. You'll certainly have some short term run-off. Some flash
flood watches were even posted.
The best 24 hour totals I could find for SoCal (at 6pm) were in excess of 3
inches, near Wrightwood. Alot for 24 hours, but I doubt enough to start the
winter water flows. In the valleys near Pasadena, I could only find 2 inches
at most in the last 24 hours. Idylwild had an unimpressive 3/4 inch.
-postholer
>>>>
Someone earlier mentioned the rain "was not enough to prime the seasonal
springs yet". I do not have any experiential reference for this, but shoot
my intuition tells me this should be more than enough. Thoughts?
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:00:07 -0500
From: "Erik Turnberg" <erik.turnberg at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Introductions and IPhone question
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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A big hello to everyone one the list. I'm Granite and my partner is
Terrapin Flyer. We met on the AT while thru hiking in 07 and we're
planning a PCT hike this spring. Right now we're living in
Northampton, MA (so if there are any PCT alum in the area that would
be willing to talk trail we'd love to meet you sometime).
Anyways, on to the question. We both like journalling. I used a
moleskin on the AT and eventually got sick of transcribing it onto
trailjournals, so my trail journal sort of died after VA. Terrapin
used a pocket mail, which is great but a little large and bulky.
We're probably going to bring the pocket mail for both of us on this
hike, but we recently got a chance to play with a friend's iphone and
were thinking that it might make a great, more functional replacement
for the pocketmail. Does anyone have any experience with using the
iphone out on the trail for journaling? Also, does anyone know how
ATT's coverage is in the trail towns along the way and whether there
are any wifi spots in any of the towns?
Thanks,
Granite
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:07:08 -0800
From: Halfmile <halfmile at pctmap.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Introductions and IPhone question
To: "Erik Turnberg" <erik.turnberg at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Granite,
I maintain reports about cell phone coverage along the trail that you
can read here:
http://www.pctmap.net/cell/index.html
-Halfmile
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Erik Turnberg <erik.turnberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> A big hello to everyone one the list. I'm Granite and my partner is
> Terrapin Flyer. We met on the AT while thru hiking in 07 and we're
> planning a PCT hike this spring. Right now we're living in
> Northampton, MA (so if there are any PCT alum in the area that would
> be willing to talk trail we'd love to meet you sometime).
>
> Anyways, on to the question. We both like journalling. I used a
> moleskin on the AT and eventually got sick of transcribing it onto
> trailjournals, so my trail journal sort of died after VA. Terrapin
> used a pocket mail, which is great but a little large and bulky.
>
> We're probably going to bring the pocket mail for both of us on this
> hike, but we recently got a chance to play with a friend's iphone and
> were thinking that it might make a great, more functional replacement
> for the pocketmail. Does anyone have any experience with using the
> iphone out on the trail for journaling? Also, does anyone know how
> ATT's coverage is in the trail towns along the way and whether there
> are any wifi spots in any of the towns?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Granite
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:08:35 -0600
From: Rachael Howard <rachaelmw at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Introductions and IPhone question
To: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I can't speak for the PCT as a whole, but I've had several issues with
my iPhone in sections of southern California and the JMT area. While
you would probably receive signal in the larger towns, a pocket mail
is arguably more reliable.
-Rachael
On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Erik Turnberg wrote:
> A big hello to everyone one the list. I'm Granite and my partner is
> Terrapin Flyer. We met on the AT while thru hiking in 07 and we're
> planning a PCT hike this spring. Right now we're living in
> Northampton, MA (so if there are any PCT alum in the area that would
> be willing to talk trail we'd love to meet you sometime).
>
> Anyways, on to the question. We both like journalling. I used a
> moleskin on the AT and eventually got sick of transcribing it onto
> trailjournals, so my trail journal sort of died after VA. Terrapin
> used a pocket mail, which is great but a little large and bulky.
>
> We're probably going to bring the pocket mail for both of us on this
> hike, but we recently got a chance to play with a friend's iphone and
> were thinking that it might make a great, more functional replacement
> for the pocketmail. Does anyone have any experience with using the
> iphone out on the trail for journaling? Also, does anyone know how
> ATT's coverage is in the trail towns along the way and whether there
> are any wifi spots in any of the towns?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Granite
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:11:43 -0800
From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
Subject: [pct-l] List of what I might need to take with me?
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>...can list what it is they have brought or would bring with them?
Here are a few ideas for you Shawn:
Carried gear:
http://postholer.com/journal/viewGearlist.php?event_id=73
Itineray:
http://postholer.com/journal/viewPlan.php?event_id=73
Map/Addresses of a bunch of possible mail drop locations:
http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?stMark=1
And of course PCT snow conditions, weather reports, climatology:
http://postholer.com/postholer
Possible items for your bounce box:
esbit solid fuel (for stove), spare clothes - cold weather, shorts, socks,
shirts, excedrin, ibuprofen, vitamins, packing tape, markers, labels, soap,
toothpaste, floss, razors, guide/data/town book sections, water filter spare
parts, alum wind gaurd for stove, insoles, Canada entry permit, silicone for
tarp repair, Itinerary & phone numbers, AA batts, laundry soap, duct tape,
postcards, spare tent stakes, etc.
-postholer
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:31:38 -0800
From: "William A. Chavez" <wctrekker at dslextreme.com>
Subject: [pct-l] The Cost Of Hiking
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi,
In my quest to find out how much I might need to spend on the trail I
found a couple who kept track of their expenses. You may find their
info helpful.
http://www.gottawalk.com/cost_of_hiking.htm
Bill,
soon to be a part of the class of 2009
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