[pct-l] Stove canisters

[Bastian Schlagowsky]

I have never heard that burning alcohol is producing any toxic  
substance; except maybe things added in heet...

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Am 10.12.2009 um 14:40 schrieb CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>:

> Good morning,
>
> I agree – mostly – with Postholer regarding the usefulness of  
> solid-fuel
> stoves.  One of my differences in opinion is regarding the fuel  
> type:  I’ve
> used most of the fuels commonly available but I prefer the Army  
> surplus
> trioxane fuel tabs.  Ounce-for-ounce they have the same energy as  
> Esbit, but
> trioxane leaves the bottom of the pot very clean rather than coated  
> with
> black gunk.  Trioxane is readily available from surplus outlets, and  
> it
> costs about 25% of what Esbit costs.  Some hikers don’t like trioxa 
> ne
> because the fumes are said to be “toxic”, however I won’t  
> breath the fumes
> from any fuel.  They are all “toxic” as far as I'm concerned.   
> Besides, I
> cook in the open air rather than in a tent.
>
> My solid fuel stove doesn’t weigh 3.25 oz. it weighs between 0.2 and 
>  0.7
> ounces.  That’s because I use the same stove for solid fuel as I do  
> for
> alcohol.  I just turn the cat food or pop can alcohol stove over and  
> put the
> fuel tab on its bottom.  Everything else is the same.  That way I  
> can use
> solid fuel or alcohol interchangeably. If you want to be even  
> lighter, use
> three tent stakes to support the pot, and put the fuel tab on a  
> small metal
> lid on mineral soil.  See http://zenstoves.net/SolidFuelBurner.htm  
> for an
> interesting discussion of solid fuel and stoves.
>
> I won’t disparage any type of fuel.  I have used – and probably  
> will again
> use – most of what's available, including a campfire.  As always, it 
> ’s not
> the “thing” that’s the problem, it’s the care and  
> responsibility of the
> people using the “thing” that’s important.  The S. Cal. deserts  
> were very
> dry during my last two PCT hikes, and I chose to not cook rather  
> than risk
> touching a flame to any fuel.  That was my personal choice, and it  
> worked
> out OK because I adapt well to no-cook food.
>
> Steel-Eye
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Postholer <public at postholer.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> As a devout Esbit user, you'll find these problems don't exist. You  
>> can
>> ship
>> ground, not air. I kept all my fuel, 120 tabs, in my bounce box. It  
>> was
>> always there when I needed it. I'd carry about 10 at a time. At 50  
>> cents
>> each, $60 dollars easily covers the entire trip, compared to $20 for
>> alcohol.
>>
>> If you're doing simple cooking, hot water, rehydrating, etc, it  
>> can't be
>> beat. The stove (3.25 oz) with 5 fuel tabs weigh 6 oz.
>>
>> For more elaborate cooking I understand canister stoves are the way  
>> to go.
>>
>> If you're a pyromanic and like walking through charred moonscape- 
>> esque
>> landscape, by all means carry a pepsi-can alcohol stove. While you  
>> might be
>> an icon of safety with an alcohol stove, I PROMISE the hiker next  
>> you may
>> not be. No stove has done more damage to the forests along the PCT  
>> than the
>> home made alcohol stoves.
>>
>> In the west where fire season is 365 days, alocohol stoves are a  
>> trend that
>> need to just go away.
>>
>> -postholer
>>
>>>>>>
>> It is my understanding that the folks who control the shipping  
>> rules have
>> made it illegal to ship yourself - via USPS or UPS or others - stove
>> canisters.  My experience is that they are quite limited in finding  
>> in
>> stores along the trail. For those contemplating using a Jet Boil or  
>> other
>> canister stove on the PCT, where can the canisters be purchased?
>>
>> ------------------------------------
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>>
>>
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