[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 27, Issue 68

[Will Hiltz]

Go to VVR!  I've NEVER had cherry bourbon crumble like that-- anywhere,
ever!  Jim treated me like a king-- what more could a scraggly thru ask for?


Go Jim!



Easy

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:55 PM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:

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>   1. Re: Bivy? (giniajim)
>   2. Re: VVR (Junaid Dawud)
>   3.  VVR (Bob Bankhead)
>   4. Re: VVR (giniajim)
>   5. Re: TORTILLAS!!! (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
>   6. Re: TORTILLAS!! (Matthew Edwards)
>   7. Re: VVR (Vermilion Valley Resort)
>   8. Re: VVR (Eugene)
>   9. Re: VVR (Vermilion Valley Resort)
>  10.  VVR (Postholer)
>  11. Re: VVR (Vermilion Valley Resort)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:11:16 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bivy?
> To: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>,
>        <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> For what its worth, I've got a bivy to sell.  Only been used a couple of
> times.  I'm just not a bivy person.  Happy to discuss with anyone interested
> via private email (jplynch at crosslink.net).
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Sean 'Miner' Nordeen
>  To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>  Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:23 PM
>  Subject: [pct-l] Bivy?
>
>
>  >You had some other technique to ward off the bugs, right?  I just find it
>  >hard to believe you could hike the PCT without having some strategy
>  >for keeping the bugs away at night.
>
>  Well for one thing, I treated all my clothing/hat with Permithrin at
> Kennedy Meadows and I wore long pants and sleeves.  This worked to keep the
> bugs away from me for the most part.  With the exception of Northern
> Yosemite which is the only 2 days I used DEET on the entire trail.I
> sometimes used a headnet in camp or on long breaks if they were really bad
> (Rae Lakes, N. Yosemite).
>
>  I never was one to hang out inside a tent so any bug shelter would only be
> used when I go to sleep.  I cowboyed camp for all but 9 nights on the trail
> when weather threatened.   I tended to camp high (below the snow line
> though) so it was usually too cold for them.  In lower elevations, I
> continued to get before dawn (just like in SoCAL)) before the mosquitos are
> active.  In fact, it was usually the first lone one buzzing near my ear that
> woke me up many mornings and provided motivation to get moving rather then
> sleep in as I knew I'd be swarmed if I stayed for much longer.  I only go to
> bed after it gets dark and most mosquitos quickly leave.  I sometimes went
> to bed with a headnet on, but usually only did so for a short while before
> taking it off as the mosquitos were soon gone.  The few nights they were
> really bad, I slept in my regular bivy sack with it zipped shut, which does
> have a netting over the face area.  Though once again, I normally opened it
> up after they left
>  w
>   hen the temperatures started to drop.
>
>  I sent the bug bivy home in Mammoth Lakes because it wasn't too warm to
> use my regular bivy sack which also offers weather and wind protection.  If
> I had been hiking back east where the night temperatures are much warmer, I
> might have kept the bug bivy instead since it's cooler to sleep in.
>
>
>  I hiked the Sierras with only a handful of bites (mostly on the hands).
>  My methods work for my hiking style.  I'm fully aware it wouldn't work for
> everyone just as tarping or cowboy camping doesn't.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:14:18 -0700
> From: Junaid Dawud <jdawud at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> This originally came about because I said it was a mistake for me to
> resupply there. The hotsprings, free camping, warm lake, and the PO
> made mono seem better to me than the place I got a 'shady' feel from,
> extra miles and all. As I said, it's just my opinion, and vvr does
> provide a service to many hikers.  Many are happy with the place, and
> that's great. I'm sure many will continue to enjoy it. I didn't.
>
> Next, I didn't "exchange" emails with anyone.  I made my original
> 'mistakes' post and numerous people asked me specifically about the
> VVR part. The email that came from the VVR address asked me what about
> my experience made me say it was a mistake. I answered all of the
> questions posed to me in my second email, 'VVR'. No other emails were
> sent. I never said "don't go to VVR". I just said it wasn't good for
> me and the owner seemed shady to ME.
>
> By all means, listen to all perspectives, and then HYOH.
>
> Junaid
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:18:54 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]  VVR
> To: "PCT List" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E891B838AE464A4F9D526D0D677FD07E at BOB>
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>
> All:
>
> I am one of those hikers who, for whatever reason, was unable to make it to
> V V R to pick up my resupply box. I emailed them to arrange a return. I had
> them open the package, retrieve the envelope containing the $40 cash, keep
> $20 to cover their costs, and return the rest to me. The box arrived at my
> door intact, minus the one $20 bill, a week later.
>
> A word to the wise - be very careful what you accuse someone of in writing,
> especially when you publish it for all to read. You might be compelled to
> prove it. If in doubt, have your lawyer explain the California statutes
> regarding Libel to you. And let's not forget compensatory damages for
> potential lost revenue as a result of your actions.
>
> In my opinion, a quick and public apology is
> warrented.................unless you're absolutely certain that (1) VVR
> would never sue you, or (2) even if they did, you can prove your claim in
> front of a jury.
>
> When I was a police officer, a state's attorney told me "What you know - or
> think you know - and what you can prove are often two different things".
>
> Your call.
>
>
> Wandering  Bob
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:19:22 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "Vermilion Valley Resort" <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Is it possible to get to/from VVR via public transportation?
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:19:31 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>        <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] TORTILLAS!!!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> I was unable to eat tortillas on the trail. For some reason I had a
> really hard time swallowing them. Same for fig newtons. I eat these
> things all the time at home but could not swallow them on the trail.
>
> Instead of tortillas I carried bread. It doesn't fit in a bear can,
> but I didn't carry it all the time. A loaf of bread carries very
> well. A friend of mine named HikeOn would crush the bread as flat as
> he could lengthwise so that the slices would be thin. He swore it
> would puff back up again. I just carried it as is and had no trouble.
>
> Add a jar of peanut butter and some jelly (repackaged in a used
> peanut butter jar) and I had unlimited peanut butter and jelly
> sandwiches.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:40:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: Matthew Edwards <hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] TORTILLAS!!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Opps. I read what I wrote and realized I did not specify the manner in
> which I heated the tortillas on my alcohol stove. I used denatured alcohol
> when availiable but also yellow HEET which puts out nasty vapors. My Mini
> Trangia ( I switched to at Tahoe) came with a non-stick pot lid. I heated
> the torillas on the lid NOT over the open flames.
> Anyhow, I thought I should clear that up. I would not want anyone to get
> ill from Heet vapors etc.
> -Iceaxe
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:44:42 -0700
> From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "Wes Rose" <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <7AB3DE6D-AF08-4ADC-A521-39E9EC620657 at edisonlake.com>
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> Yeah... I don't know what I was thinking.
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Wes Rose wrote:
>
> > Yeah Bill ~  I mean, what is your problem???? All of those CAPITAL
> letters and all.  Seriously,
> > what right do you have to defend the character of a man that you've only
> known for 15 years?  I
> > mean, come on, how can you compare your 15-year relationship with Junaid
> Dawud's assessment
> > based on "a couple of interactions"?  What a jerk!  Why not just admit
> that the VVR Resort owner
> > is, in fact, "shady" and steals stuff from the hiker box?  Just because
> your long time friend gets publicly
> > slandered is no reason write some angry rant on the PCT-L.  Thank you,
> and have a nice day.
> >
> > [pct-l] VVR
> > Jim Keener ( J J ) pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com
> > Thu Mar 11 20:33:11 CST 2010
> >
> >  a.. Previous message: [pct-l] VVR
> >  b.. Next message: [pct-l] ULA
> >  c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > You rant about a rumor and confirm the rumor.
> >
> > People might think what you do is all right. Others not.
> >
> > So far I don't see an error in what Junaid wrote. For me, Junaid remains
> a trusted contributor to this list. Perhaps if you used more capital letters
> it would be clearer.
> >
> > Jim Keener ( J J )
> > _________________
> >
> > jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
> >
> > http://postholer.com/jj
> > http://ridgetrailhiker.com
> > http://olderhealthier.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:48:32 -0800
> From: Eugene <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Bill,
>
>
>
> I'm more than happy to leave my resupply package with you.  Actually, I'm
> very grateful that you offer this service.  My early season trip would be
> much more difficult without services like yours.  If I don't make it within
> 30 days of the date I say, I probably won't make it at all, and you'll be
> more than welcome to do whatever you will with the contents....although I
> will probably repackage everything.
>
>
>
> Eugene
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:48:41 -0700
> From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <DBF4060B-9BEF-4315-91BC-8FFD2AB38F9F at edisonlake.com>
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> Absolutely.  VVR can arrange transportation for you between Fresno and VVR.
>  Just call the resort at 559-259-4000 a couple of weeks before you need the
> transportation and set it up.  The charge is $175 for the first 2 people,
> $25 each additional.  I think the most they can transport is 4 hikers right
> now.  And the trip from Fresno to VVR is about 3 hours; the last hour is the
> 15 mile access road to VVR... so plan accordingly!
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:19 PM, giniajim wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to get to/from VVR via public transportation?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:49:03 -0800
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  VVR
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <012f01cac196$f5935890$d0367644 at Snoopy>
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>
> I still don't get it. Someone had a bad experience. So what?
>
> 10 days AND 200 miles out of Kennedy Meadows, why wouldn't you go to VVR?
>
> VVR is awesome!
>
> -postholer
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:55:30 -0700
> From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <6DBA0E5C-BC63-4DE3-85C2-19173315D58E at edisonlake.com>
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> Postholer - quite honestly, I'd prefer that the folks who think that VVR is
> shady just believe what they want and stay away.  That way, we can deal with
> the VAST majority of hikers who are happy to be wherever they are on the
> trail.
>
> My intent was just to stop the disparaging remarks about my friend.  I
> guess most folks think I'm an employee of VVR; I'm not.  I just do the
> website for Jim because he's a buddy.  And, I love VVR... just can't be
> there too often.
>
> And yeah... why wouldn't you go to VVR?  Heck, just listening to Lester
> around the campfire is worth the price of admission!
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Postholer wrote:
>
> > I still don't get it. Someone had a bad experience. So what?
> >
> > 10 days AND 200 miles out of Kennedy Meadows, why wouldn't you go to VVR?
> >
> > VVR is awesome!
> >
> > -postholer
> >
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