[pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

[Paul Robison]

I don't even get 12 here,  but thats bellow freezing air and Icey water...  So it must vary greatly.



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On 2011-04-02, at 6:32 PM, <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com> wrote:

> 
> Just FYI on canister fuel.  I am testing my snow peak stove with an 8oz MSR
> canister and am up to 28 two cup rolling boils. Low altitude and pretty warm
> weather and water so probably best case.  We will see how many I get.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Paul Robison
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:31 PM
> To: Donna Saufley
> Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; Bob Bankhead
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> 
> Survey type Question,
> 
> If, in time HEET became unavailable... Would you be more likely to use a
> canister,  or would you try stoveless?
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2011-04-02, at 4:19 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> 
>> The rationale stated on their site:
>> 
>> "Consumer products, which include everything from nail polish to floor
> wax,
>> emit more than 110 tons per day of smog-forming volatile organic compounds
>> (VOCs) in the Southland. Consumer products are the largest source of VOCs
> in
>> the region, eclipsing cars, trucks or industry. 
>> 
>> "This rule, a first in the nation, is going to significantly benefit all
> of
>> us who live and breathe in the greater Los Angeles Basin," said AQMD
>> Governing Board Chairman William A. Burke, Ed.D. "In less than two years,
>> the rule will have reduced VOC pollution by up to 9.75 tons per day. That
> is
>> the equal to shutting down all seven major oil refineries in Los Angeles
>> County!" "
>> 
>> I don't know enough about the science or concrete evidence behind their
>> statement, but it does seem clear that we humans are polluting our
> beautiful
>> planet, and that we can all make choices in our lives to make less of an
>> impact.  
>> 
>> It's just what the choices are that is unclear right now . . . without
> Heet
>> and denatured, hikers may need alternative fuel for a big chunk of trail
> in
>> SoCal.
>> 
>> LR
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:55 PM
>> To: 'Donna Saufley'; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Subject: RE: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>> 
>> Yet another example of poor judgment by California officials. Your tax
>> dollars at work.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of Donna Saufley
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:48 PM
>> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>> 
>> This morning we stopped by our local hardware store.  The owner Trish, who
>> has done countless kindnesses for hikers including donating denatured
>> alcohol, gave us her last three cans and told us she will not be able to
>> order any more.  She said South Coast Air Quality Management District Rule
>> 1143 is the reason;  it bans numerous paint solvents within their district
>> boundaries  www.aqmd.gov/news1/2009/Rule1143PR.html   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> According to their map, www.aqmd.gov/map/mapaqmd1.pdf the PCT goes through
>> SCAQMD boundardies from San Bernardino to where the trail meets the Mojave
>> floor at Hwy 138.  "Rule 1143 - Reduction of VOC Emissions from Consumer
>> Paint Thinners and Multi-Purpose Solvents establishes an interim VOC limit
>> of 300 grams/liter (g/l,) effective January 1, 2010, and a VOC limit of 25
>> g/l effective January 1, 2011, for all consumer paint thinners and
>> multi-purpose solvents."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The denatured alcohol we've been using (the cans Trish just donated) is
> VOC:
>> 815 g/L, obviously way in excess of the new limit within the district.
> Can
>> anyone verify the VOC of Heet?  Or know if the new lower VOC products will
>> work in stoves?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It sounds like SCAQMD is acting as environmental leaders with this rule,
> and
>> I have not heard that denatured and other solvents will be banned in other
>> areas.  Imagining enforcement on the PCT is difficult.  However, hikers
> may
>> not be able to buy denatured at resupply locations within the district,
> and
>> other regions may be considering similar bans.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> L-Rod
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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