[pct-l] PCTA rating by CharityNavigator
ned at mountaineducation.org
ned at mountaineducation.org
Tue Nov 22 14:48:26 CST 2011
Can somebody tell me what the TARP funds have to do with a trail
association?
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Ned Tibbits, Director
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----- Original Message -----
From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
To: "Charles Doersch" <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA rating by CharityNavigator
> Having read and re-read your diatribe a few times and still not being able
> to understand what you’re trying to say I can only offer that there is a
> Board of Directors in place that determines compensation for any and all
> employees of PCTA. It is THEIR responsibility to do so. Each of us is
> entitled to our opinion and if one feels financial affairs are not being
> properly dealt with, they can vote with their wallets and take their money
> elsewhere. However, I found this entire tread to be in poor taste and,
> frankly, something that we could do without.
>
> Good luck with your “research.” The rest of us are planning our hikes.
>
> From: Charles Doersch
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:03 AM
> To: chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> Cc: Paul Bodnar ; pct-L backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA rating by CharityNavigator
>
> Of course, comparing those on the list that might question proper pay for
> proper work as "occupy wall street" types is a simple-minded
> double-fallacy of straw man and false analogy. So we know we're not
> dealing with reason or logic from that quarter. Back to sensible
> conversation.
>
> And the question isn't whether Liz is doing a great job. One can be doing
> a great job and still be either overpaid or underpaid. So that's a false
> comparison.
>
> It's also not a question of the list of stuff the director is responsible
> for -- the list is irrelevant if we don't know the context of how that
> list compares to the what others elsewhere in the same sort of position,
> in relevant organizations (with relevant limited financial resources),
> with relevant industry experience, etc. get paid. What does this type of
> job with these tasks generally pay -- what is the range -- what is the
> bell curve of compensation in a cash-strapped non-profit such as the PCTA
> for such work?
>
> We also operate in a larger context of the not-uncommon practice in the US
> of disproportionate compensation for top managers. So the question and the
> concern is fair -- and it may well turn out that the PCTA is AOK when it
> comes to compensation. But the question can sensibly and
> non-mean-spiritedly be asked. It isn't personal.
>
> I guess until I get answers for those questions (and I'm a good researcher
> and can work on this), we four will be holding off on re-newing our
> membership. We're not rolling in dough here, and since we watch every
> nickel in order to afford to hike on the PCT, I guess it's reasonable to
> hope the PCTA watches the nickels we send their way with at least as much
> diligence.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~Charles & the gang.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:43 AM, <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> NAY.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Charles Doersch
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:55 AM
> To: Paul Bodnar
> Cc: pct-L backcountry.net
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA rating by CharityNavigator
>
>
> All in favor of the directorship reducing its salary commensurate to
> organizations of similar size, similar limited funds, and similar
> membership say AYE.
>
> AYE.
>
> ~Charles Doersch
>
> And AYE from Sean McCollum
> Aye from Matt Holmes
> Aye from Chris Corl
>
> [And we're all members of the PCTA].
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you for the link and information. I also believe the
> compensation
> for the Executive Director is excessive. According to the PCTA
> website,
> PCTA has a staff of eight and a compensation of $99,296 or 5.82% of
> expenses for the executive director appears to work against the primary
> mission of the PCTA. There are only about 7800 members according to
> the
> PCTA. So effectively $12.73 comes out of each annual membership
> donation
> to compensate a single employee.
>
> The PCTA states "The mission of the Pacific Crest Trail Association is
> to
> protect, preserve and promote the Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail
> as an
> internationally significant resource for the enjoyment of hikers and
> equestrians, and for the value that wild and scenic lands provide to
> all
> people."
>
> I hope the PCTA gets back to spending membership donations on the
> mission
> of the PCTA and less on executive compensation.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Paul Bodnar
>
>
> > I was shocked to see Executive Director, Liz Bergeron's compensation
> of
> $100,000.
> >
> >
> http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=11449
>
>
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