[pct-l] Oregon Section

[Josh Hart]

Greetings. Josh Hart here. I did a the section hwy 58 to crater lake last
month. Looking to hike south to hwy 58 odell lake, from either hwy 20
santiam pass or mckenzie pass to the south of santiam. Any word on trail
conditions, specifically snow that would impede standard navigation with a
topo map? Any other section hikers out there on trail? I'm a novice PCT
hiker. Saw a few northbound thrus last month! Thanks - Josh
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>   4. Re: From a Newbie (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>   5. Re: From a Newbie (Andrea Dinsmore)
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>   8.  Old  Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness (ruffwork)
>   9. Re: Scott Williamson on track to set a new pct record
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>  10. Re: Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness (Scott Williams)
>  11. Re: Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness (ruffwork)
>  12. Re: Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
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>  13. Re: how do long distance hikers make a living? (lee staley)
>  14. Re: Scott Williamson on track to set a new pct record
>      (Reinhold Metzger)
>  15.  Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness (Reinhold Metzger)
>  16.   Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness (Reinhold Metzger)
>  17. Moronic Hiking Disorder (Reinhold Metzger)
>  18. Post Season BBQ (Scott Williams)
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> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:10:28 -0600
> From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] From a Newbie
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> Embracing discomfort as normal, natural, inevitable, and "not a crisis"
> will
> help a great deal. It becomes less uncomfortable often (though not always).
>
> >From what I hear and read by veterans of the PCT -- "cold" is a frequent
> (and sometimes constant) companion one way or the other (at night in the
> hot
> places, during the day in the cold places, falling out of the sky in the
> rainy/snowy places, welling up out of the ground at midnight, etc.). Just
> fording ice-melt streams in the Sierra -- one after the other -- is far
> colder than is hiking in snow -- and you're not going to be able to avoid
> the streams. And folks have left off hiking the PCT while still in Southern
> California -- before the snow has even been reached -- because they are
> cold. But if you're confirmed "cold averse" -- then this trail may not be
> the one for you. There are long-distance trails in warmer countries, warmer
> states -- even tropical trails.
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 10/5/2011 12:37 PM, Joel Hawk wrote:
> > > 1.    Will one "have" to walk through snow in order to complete the
> > > full 2600 or if given enough time and the right set of circumstances,
> > > could one complete those sections of the trail when there is no snow?
> > > Yes, I'm cold adverse.
> >
> > Given the right set of circumstances, you may not have to, but you would
> > be better off to decide that hiking in snow is inevitable and prepare
> > yourself for it.
> >
> > Trying to skip your way around snow doesn't always work as well as you
> > may want it to. If you skip the Sierra to avoid snow, you could easily
> > find yourself farther north before the snow there has melted.
> >
> > The other way to avoid snow would be to start late, but then you would
> > need to contend with hot weather and long waterless sections, as well as
> > the threat of early season snow in the north Cascades.
> >
> > If you are section hiking, then you can easily avoid snow by hiking
> > certain sections in August or early September.
> >
> > > 2.    Can anyone offer a checklist of items for the backpack?  With my
> > > approach, I would be able to juggle what I pack based on the
> > > specific segment I'd be hiking at the time.
> >
> > You really need to decide for yourself what you need to carry. You might
> > want to look on other people's lists for ideas, but don't follow them as
> > though they are THE definitive list. We have a broad range of hikers
> > here from heavy haulers to extreme ultra lighters. One list may have
> > more gear than you need to carry, while another may have less gear than
> > you need to keep yourself safe.
> >
> > > I would call myself an entry to intermediate skill level without
> > > much overnight experience.  That's probably where I'll need the most
> > > advice.
> >
> > I would suggest that you shoot for a base weight of about 15 lb. You may
> > not have the skills necessary to survive with less gear, nor the
> > strength to carry more than that. As you gain experience, you should be
> > able to shave a few pounds off of that. If you are planning to hike 2 to
> > 3 day segments, a 15 lb base weight should be easy enough to carry for 3
> > days at a time.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:31:13 -0700
> From: "Frank Dumville" <fdumville at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]  From a Newbie
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> Joel,
>
> One of the advantages of section hiking is that you can choose to hike in
> the conditions you prefer. This year saw a record level of snow but normally
> the Sierra isn't covered in snow all year. Thru-hikers have to deal with
> snow because of the limitations of trying to complete the trail in one year.
>
> You may want to look into the Sierra Club's San Diego chapter Wilderness
> Basics Course which is given at the beginning of the year. With some
> experience you may find that the cold and snow isn't such a big problem.
>
> Snap
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:44:36 -0700
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] From a Newbie
> To: Joel Hawk <Joel at joelhawk.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 1. It may be entirely impossible to hike the entire trail in any way
> without
> walking on snow, simply because there are some areas where the snow won't
> melt.  It may sound counter-intuitive, but snow isn't really cold.  It's
> icy, so you're walking on top of it most of the time...that is, when you're
> not post-holing.  The cold part is having to slow cross a creek fed by snow
> melt.  Even so, you warm up awfully quick.
>
> 2. That would be a very looooong answer with many permutations.
>
> 3. I would.  I also live in San Diego.  You could check out my gear.  I can
> even pack different things on different trips so you can see more.  I'm
> going to Cowles Mtn right now and will bring my smaller 2-4 day pack.  If
> you're up for a walk this afternoon, I'll be the fat guy with the gray pack
> and OR Sunrunner hat.  We can also plan to hike the Laguna Mtns in February
> in hopes of getting some snow hiking in.  When it snows here, the snow
> quickly becomes similar to what you'll see on a thru hike.  You'll
> hopefully
> find that hiking in the snow isn't that bad...with one caveat.  The winter
> nights here at this time of the year can get colder than what you'll
> experience on a PCT thru hike.  So if you can do winter hiking here,
> especially if you can do 20 mile days on short winter days, you'll be ready
> for a thru hike.  The one thing San Diego doesn't really get you ready for
> is rain.
>
> Sir Mix-a-lot / Eugene
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Joel Hawk <Joel at joelhawk.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >From a Newbie.with the things I've done in life, that's just fun to say.
> > But I am a newbie to this goal of section hiking PCT and although not
> fully
> > committed to the 2650 miles yet, I'd like to ask the group a few
> questions.
> > 1.      Will one "have" to walk through snow in order to complete the
> full
> > 2600 or if given enough time and the right set of circumstances, could
> one
> > complete those sections of the trail when there is no snow?  Yes, I'm
> cold
> > adverse.
> > 2.      Can anyone offer a checklist of items for the backpack?  With my
> > approach, I would be able to juggle what I pack based on the specific
> > segment I'd be hiking at the time.
> > 3.      Is anyone out there interested in hiking the Southern PCT in 2 -
> 3
> > day segments?  I live in San Diego, so my thoughts are to go the NoBo
> route
> > with a focus on completing San Diego County in three attempts and then
> > moving into Riverside County.
> > I would call myself an entry to intermediate skill level without much
> > overnight experience.  That's probably where I'll need the most advice.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Joel Hawk
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:36:02 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] From a Newbie
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > But I am a newbie to this goal of section hiking PCT and although
> > not fully
> > committed to the 2650 miles yet, I'd like to ask the group a few
> > questions.
> > 1.    Will one "have" to walk through snow in order to complete the full
> > 2600 or if given enough time and the right set of circumstances,
> > could one
> > complete those sections of the trail when there is no snow?  Yes,
> > I'm cold
> > adverse.
> As a section hiker you can do the hike without having to walk on
> snow, yes. It's not really cold during the thru-hiking season when
> the thru-hikers are walking on the snow in the Sierras. It's
> generally pretty nice just with snow on the ground.
>
> > 2.    Can anyone offer a checklist of items for the backpack?  With my
> > approach, I would be able to juggle what I pack based on the specific
> > segment I'd be hiking at the time.
> I'd go over to backpackinglight.com and read the gear lists. Do a
> search for JMT and PCT gear lists. These might sound like pretty
> austere gear lists, but you'll be introduced to a lot of brand names
> for gear and materials that will help you make choices.
> > 3.    Is anyone out there interested in hiking the Southern PCT in 2 - 3
> > day segments?  I live in San Diego, so my thoughts are to go the
> > NoBo route
> > with a focus on completing San Diego County in three attempts and then
> > moving into Riverside County.
> >
> Sounds like a good plan. If you decide to do this in April or May,
> you will automatically be in the company of lots of other hikers so
> you wouldn't even have to seek out a partner really.
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:40:56 -0700
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] From a Newbie
> To: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> We are experiencing the late thru's here in Washington getting off the
> trail
> because of the full time rain or mist and the cool day and night temps.
> Their clothes, sleeping bags and tents are constantly wet and cold. 2 got
> hauled off at Harts Pass suffering from hypothermia. This is one of the
> down
> sides of Fall and Winter hiking in the North Cascades.
>
> Snow level varies from year to year. We had 2 years in a row where the deep
> snow on the trail at Snoqualmie and Steven's Passes stopped hikers by
> September 25th. This year there is none to speak of. Remember that the snow
> sensors are usually not on the high points of the trail areas.  Steven's
> for
> example....the sensor is at 4010 ft.  From the trail head at 4010 ft you
> immediately go up to 5,800 ft.
>
> When you're doing the North Cascades check with the locals every chance you
> get. They know what's going on in the mountains.
>
> PCT MOM
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:43:40 -0700
> From: nina white <nina.white at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] tarps and short trips - in Michigan
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I'm looking to convert to a tarp, but have no experience with them
> whatsoever. I ordered some silnylon to try making my own Brawny-style flat
> tarp.
>
> Is there anyone on this list from Southeast Michigan with a tarp or tarp
> experience? I'd love to get some first-hand advice setting it up properly.
> (Or, for that matter, in Southwestern Michigan, as I have family in Grand
> Rapids I could visit.)
>
> Also, is there anyone in Southeast Michigan (or actually anywhere in the
> lower peninsula) who might like to do some 3-4 day moderate- to
> long-mileage
> extended weekend trips before it gets too cold? I want to try out different
> rain and sleep gear and get some miles in. I haven't done much backpacking
> in Michigan, so don't even know what's "close" by. I'm available the
> weekends of 10/21, 11/4, and 11/11.
>
> I realize this may be the wrong list for this. Maybe hikers in Michigan
> tend
> towards the AT....
>
> Nina
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:02:36 -0400 (EDT)
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Old  Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, losthiker at sisqtel.net
> Message-ID: <8CE542DE2A17A9F-221C-4B4BC at webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Wrong Way Reinhold writes: I seem to be getting somewhat forgetful in my
> old age also. Sometimes, while hiking, I find myself wondering....am I on
> the JMT or the PCT....or am I on the CDT....or perhaps the AT??? Let's see
> now,....am I supposed to be going North or South?......Hhhmmm........ Am I
> lost?....NEVER....not me....not JMT Reinhold!!!  I  KNOW  WHERE  I
>  AM.......I'm somewhere on the North American Continent....I just don't know
> exactly where.  But I am never lost....not me....not JMT Reinhold
> -----------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: This reminds me of what I use to tell the pilots when
> they asked me where we were at.  I always said I did not know where we were
> at, but we were on time.  My big concern was that they got me to Japan or
> Germany or wherever before the stores closed, so I could go shopping.  All
> my relatives would give me lists of what they wanted from overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:06:45 -0700
> From: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Old  Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <69799C35-F531-488E-A17F-FCBD2DB44590 at ruffwork.com>
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> Heh...I'll sit down for lunch then get up and can't remember which way I'm
> hiking on the trail...I need to carry an arrow I put on the trail saying,
> "this way to Canada."
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:15:50 -0400 (EDT)
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scott Williamson on track to set a new pct record
> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net,
>        losthiker at sisqtel.net
> Message-ID: <8CE542FBC21DBA2-221C-4B741 at webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Unsupported JMT Reinhold writes: So, if any of you folks or ''Hiker Trash''
> want to shake hands with the one and only  Scott Williamson, the one and
> only  ''King of the PCT'',  Come on out on Tuesday.  I know all records
> sooner or later get broken,....but I am not sure if Scott's accomplishments
> on the PCT will ever be equaled.....not in my life time anyhow.
> --------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: This is to laugh.  I will easily smash these records on
> my 2013 PCT thru-hike.  My pace will be blistering right out of the box from
> Campo.  Since Scott has set a new Yo-Yo record I will definitely beat this
> by a wide margin in 2013.  It won't even be close.  So, you will see it in
> your life-time if you are around in 2013.  But you probably won't see it
> because you will be on a cruise or vacation in Hawaii or some other pilgrim
> outing.  While we mountainmen are out impressing Mother Nature with our
> exploits and bravery.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:19:05 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
> To: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I thought I was the only one that needed the arrow.  When I was really
> tired
> I'd lay my pole pointing north up trail as I did find myself once with
> Smiles in the Marbles heading off in the wrong direction.  She laughed and
> corrected me.  That's OK, as I had corrected her toward Mather Pass in deep
> snow when other forces wanted to hike due west.  It seemed we needed each
> other, and I needed that arrow.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com> wrote:
>
> > Heh...I'll sit down for lunch then get up and can't remember which way
> I'm
> > hiking on the trail...I need to carry an arrow I put on the trail saying,
> > "this way to Canada."
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:53:28 -0700
> From: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> That is so funny because last year smiles and I did the same thing: I hiked
> with her from big lake youth camp to Brietenbush lake...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought I was the only one that needed the arrow.  When I was really
> tired I'd lay my pole pointing north up trail as I did find myself once with
> Smiles in the Marbles heading off in the wrong direction.  She laughed and
> corrected me.  That's OK, as I had corrected her toward Mather Pass in deep
> snow when other forces wanted to hike due west.  It seemed we needed each
> other, and I needed that arrow.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com> wrote:
> > Heh...I'll sit down for lunch then get up and can't remember which way
> I'm hiking on the trail...I need to carry an arrow I put on the trail
> saying, "this way to Canada."
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:59:21 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
> To: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> No problems:
>
> We are getting older day by day, and losing our brain substance day by
> day. If we became completely idiot, the provability of wrong decision
> is 0.5, because there are only two cases ( North or South bound ).
>
> If we hike 10 days and make a decision at lunch time, the provability
> of wrong decision is 0.5 in the first day, and the provability of
> wrong decision in the second day is 0.5 , ..... Then, the provability
> of wrong decision in 10 days is 0.5 X 0.5 X 0.5 ... = very smaller
> than 0.5
>
> If we hike 100 days, the provability of wrong decision became negligible.
>
> Then, we can reach Canadian border or Mexican border without brain and
> arrow in the long run, if we remember how to walk and how to eat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2011/10/9 ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>:
> > That is so funny because last year smiles and I did the same thing: I
> hiked with her from big lake youth camp to Brietenbush lake...
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I thought I was the only one that needed the arrow.  When I was really
> tired I'd lay my pole pointing north up trail as I did find myself once with
> Smiles in the Marbles heading off in the wrong direction.  She laughed and
> corrected me.  That's OK, as I had corrected her toward Mather Pass in deep
> snow when other forces wanted to hike due west.  It seemed we needed each
> other, and I needed that arrow.
> >>
> >> Shroomer
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com> wrote:
> >> Heh...I'll sit down for lunch then get up and can't remember which way
> I'm hiking on the trail...I need to carry an arrow I put on the trail
> saying, "this way to Canada."
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:11:40 -0700
> From: lee staley <leestcoast at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] how do long distance hikers make a living?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On 10/7/11 5:10 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
> > P.P.P.S Might have to hike in the Los
> > Padres instead of the PCT though.
> >
> As you know the Los Padres has 2 distinctly separate sections - north
> and south.  I think you should develop a way to link them together for a
> challenging, brush-choked, but doable mini-"thru".  Could be done of
> multiple long weekends, if you aren"t having months off at a time for a
> while to do another 1 of the big three.
>
> Hike on,
>
> Cruz Control
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:09:13 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scott Williamson on track to set a new pct record
> To: hiker97 at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, losthiker at sisqtel.net
> Message-ID: <4E919CF9.8090109 at cox.net>
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> Say Switchback,
> First of all, those ''Pilgrim Outings'', as you call them, are high
> adventure expeditions.
> Take Hawaii, last year, for instance.....I decided to cut a planed JMT
> triple short after one thru because the women decided to go to Hawaii
> and after sleeping in the dirt, eating cold cereal and beans and
> drinking iodine water for one week the thought of eating Polynesian
> Chicken, slurping Mai Tais and watching bikini clad surfer girls sounded
> to good to resist.
> So, I decided to cut the JMT triple short after one thru and join the
> women in Hawaii.
> BTW....this was my 11th JMT thru.....I can always hike the JMT, but
> Hawaii and the chance to hike Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa does not present
> itself everyday.
> After all, they are the tallest mountains in the world, measured from
> their base.
> Mauna Kea rises 13,796 feet above sea level and Mauna Loa 13,677 feet.
> However, measured from their base, they are the tallest Mountains in the
> world.
> Mauna Loa, measured from its base, about 42,000 feet below the ocean
> surface, is the tallest mountain in the world at roughly 55,000
> feet....almost twice as tall as Mt. Everest.
> At 21,592 cubic miles Mouna Loa is also the most massive mountain in the
> world more than 100 times the size of Mt. Rainier in Washington.
> I'm sure you understand why I had to climb those Mountains when the
> opportunity came.
>
> Slurping Mai Tais and watching bikini clad surfer girls, however, can be
> very stressful, especially to older guys like me.
> Besides, Karen kept giving me that  ''evil''  look.....she did not seem
> to accept my logic that I was merely admiring the bikinis,....not what
> was in the bikinis.
> Well anyhow, I barely survived that expedition and lived to talk about it.
> You should climb those mountains someday Switchback.
> I would advise that you update your will and and change your life
> insurance policy to ''double indemnity'' before you embark on that
> expedition, because I doubt that you will survive.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> Your concerned trail companion
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 10/8/2011 5:15 PM, hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
> > Unsupported JMT Reinhold writes:So, if any of you folks or ''Hiker
> > Trash'' want to shake hands with the one and only  Scott Williamson,
> > the one and only  ''King of the PCT'',  Come on out on Tuesday.  I
> > know all records sooner or later get broken,....but I am not sure if
> > Scott's accomplishments on the PCT will ever be equaled.....not in my
> > lifetime anyhow.
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Switchback replies: This is to laugh.  I will easily smash these
> > records on my 2013 PCT thru-hike.  My pace will be blistering right
> > out of the box from Campo.  Since Scott has set a new Yo-Yo record I
> > will definitely beat this by a wide margin in 2013.  It won't even be
> > close.  So, you will see it in your life-time if you are around in
> > 2013.  But you probably won't see it because you will be on a cruise
> > or vacation in Hawaii or some other pilgrim outing.  While we
> > mountainmen are out impressing Mother Nature with our exploits and
> > bravery.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:29:24 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I thought I was the only one that needed the arrow.
> When I was really tired I'd lay my pole pointing north up trail as I did
> find myself once with Smiles in the Marbles heading off in the wrong
> direction.
> She laughed and corrected me.
> That's OK, as I had corrected her toward Mather Pass in deep snow when
> other forces wanted to hike due west.
> It seemed we needed each other, and I needed that arrow.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Shroomer On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, ruffwork <ruffwork at
> ruffwork.com <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
> wrote: /
>  Heh...I'll sit down for lunch then get up and can't remember which way
> I'm //hiking on the trail...I need to carry an arrow I put on the trail
> saying, //"this way to Canada." //
> Sent from my iPad /
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:52:41 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]   Old Timers....getting lost & forgetfulness
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>,   Deems
>        <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Message-ID: <4E91A729.90004 at cox.net>
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>
> One of my hiking buddies, a big, burly, macho Vietnam era Army Ranger has a
> tendency
> to go in the wrong direction.
> One day, when he was not looking, I put a tag on his pack.
>
> HIS  NAME  IS  DENNIS
> If found return to San Diego
> We will pay the freight.
>
> He was not very happy when he finally saw the tag
>
> JMT Reinhold
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Shroomer wrote:
> I thought I was the only one that needed the arrow.
> When I was really tired I'd lay my pole pointing north up trail as I did
> find myself once with Smiles in the Marbles heading off in the wrong
> direction.
> She laughed and corrected me.
> That's OK, as I had corrected her toward Mather Pass in deep snow when
> other forces wanted to hike due west.
> It seemed we needed each other, and I needed that arrow.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ruffwork wrote:
>   Heh...I'll sit down for lunch then get up and can't remember which way
> I'm hiking on the trail...I need to carry an arrow I put on the trail
> saying,"this way to Canada."
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 07:27:18 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Moronic Hiking Disorder
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>,   Deems
>        <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Message-ID: <4E91AF46.8000401 at cox.net>
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>
> Yoshi,
> This is true for normal people.
> Thru-Hikers, however, are not normal people....they are far from normal
> and are loosing  ''brain substance'' at a greatly accelerated pace.
> Some guys on this list are fruitier than fruit cakes nuttier than the
> nuttiest corn nuts.....probably the result of to many nights at high
> elevation resulting in oxygen deprivation, which in turn causes brain
> cells to die, which in turn gives rise to a condition known in medical
> circles as  ''MORONIC  HIKING  DISORDER''  (MHD).
> MHD  is very frequently associated with long distance hiking.....can be
> fatal if left untreated....seek medical help immediately.
>
> Switchback is a perfect example of this dreaded disorder.
> He thinks raiding and sacking innocent hikers is normal.....but we no
> better....it's MHD.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> Dr. of moronic disorders
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Yoshi wrote:
> No problems:
> We are getting older day by day, and losing our brain substance day by day.
> If we became completely idiot, the provability of wrong decision is 0.5,
> because there are only two cases ( North or South bound ).
> If we hike 10 days and make a decision at lunch time, the provability of
> wrong decision is 0.5 in the first day, and the provability of wrong
> decision in the second day is 0.5 , ..... Then, the provability of wrong
> decision in 10 days is 0.5 X 0.5 X 0.5 ... = very smaller than 0.5 If we
> hike 100 days, the provability of wrong decision became negligible.
> Then, we can reach Canadian border or Mexican border without brain and
> arrow in the long run, if we remember how to walk and how to eat.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 09:58:36 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Post Season BBQ
> To: "<Pct-l at backcountry.net>" <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> This is a last minute invite for any hiker trash or PCT lovers willing to
> come to Martinez CA next Sunday, October 16th, 2011, for a BBQ/potluck at
> my
> place, to schmooze over your hikes this summer and in summers past.  I'm
> hosting 2010 thru hiker, Max Chill and his PCT1 Trail Crew for a few days
> of
> R&R before they head south for their last stint in the deserts.  Some of
> you
> may have met them this year in the deserts in March and April, and after
> that an extended time on the JMT sections near Mammoth, and most recently
> up
> near Etna.  We had them for a few days between assignments earlier in the
> summer and they're just a great bunch, doing the trail work we all love to
> see happen.  Due to their schedule and mine, Sunday was the only time that
> worked, but I thought I'd just open up the party to any other trail trash
> in
> the area, and beyond, that have the time.
>
> If anyone wants a hike and tour of John Muir's ranch and home, I'll be
> leading a hike at 11am over the property.  We'll visit Mt. Helen and Wanda
> and his Victorian home, from which this country changed, at least in its
> relation to wilderness.  If you remember those lakes on either side of Muir
> Pass, and base camp on Mt Shasta, those are his daughters, Helen and Wanda
> and the hills behind my house are where he took them for walks when they
> were little.  He named the hills for the two girls.  But if you have
> already
> done this tour, just come on by and spend some time eating and jawing with
> other hikers and a great trail crew.
>
> Also in town and crashing here will be Neon, another PCT thru from 2010,
> and
> an AT thru hiker as well, who has spent the summer working in a wilderness
> therapy program back East.   I hiked over 1,000 miles with both Max Chill
> and Neon and can attest to what great folks they are.
>
> I'll be firing up the smoker for a mess of ribs, and if any vegetarians
> like
> Simbiosis or Toga can make it, I'll grill up some killer tofu, but it'll be
> potluck beyond that.  If you need to crash, I've got a big rec. room that
> can hold a bunch on your mats.
>
> If you're interested, shoot me, or Holly "Wildhair" Eggleston, (
> holly.eggleston at gmail.com who will be helping organize) an email off list,
> so we know how much ribs and tofu to buy.  Oh, and libations on this end
> will include the "John Muir" wine some of you got to taste at KO this year.
>  Good shit mon!!!
>
> Shroomer
> Scott Williams (notice, that is not Scott Williamson, who is just about to
> break his own record, the post offices keep giving me his boxes)
> 925-768-4579
>
>
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