[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 52, Issue 5
Nick Panchot
trailtrasch at gmail.com
Thu Apr 5 12:13:03 CDT 2012
Hey so im still new to pct-l so hey-bear with me...just throwing my blog
out there! Check it and lets network. Creating more and streamlining
Communications is my goal for the PCT in 2012!! Lets exploit our technology
in this day and age to help boost the health threshhold if the average
hiker and up the safety factors as far as well-being goes. I believe in
staying kind to your body on-trail!
Well, day two of this blog! I walked 7mi today with 900ft of elevation
gain. Not bad, for a Zero Day! Since I got my new job I walk 8mi per day
with roughly 1,000ft of elevation gain 5days a week! Its great. Coupled
with my busy and physically demanding job, I can amost simulate a day of
backpacking!! I never thought training would be so easy.
ATTENTION, THRU HIKERS!!
this season on the PCT, ill be sending replacement EAR BUDS and blank or
filled LIGHTWEIGHT flash JUMP DRIVES for those of you who need to keep
things fresh musically. Just email me or post here, your preferred
listening; music, soundtracks, podcasts, audio books. I'll do my best to
track (tehe) it all down and ship it to your chosen resupply point! Let me
know if you lose an mp3 player or something like that, i'll get you a
replacement as promptly as possible!!
-Spydee
trailtrasch at gmail.com
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> 1. pct 2012 trailangel-ing (Nick Panchot)
> 2. Re: Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need? (Brick Robbins)
> 3. Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need? (Len Glassner)
> 4. Re: Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need? (Will M)
> 5. Is the iphone 4s (JoAnn)
> 6. Re: Is the iphone 4s (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 7. A16 'Hiking the PCT' presentation (Shian Sung)
> 8. Re: Is the iphone 4s (Brick Robbins)
> 9. Re: General advice for a newcomer (Thelma Fredricksen)
> 10. Way out on a limb: anyone hiking with a pad computer? (ruffwork)
> 11. Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need? (ruffwork)
> 12. Don't follow my tracks (barberaj at tds.net)
> 13. Re: General advice for a newcomer (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 14. Re: Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need? (Lisa Peru)
> 15. Re: Don't follow my tracks (AsABat)
> 16. Re: Lost hiker found (PNW Hiker)
> 17. Re: Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need? (ruffwork)
> 18. Re: Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need? (Brick Robbins)
> 19. Re: is iPhone 4s all I Need (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 20. Re: Is the iphone 4s (Tortoise)
> 21. Re: is iPhone 4s all I Need (J J)
> 22. Re: Lost hiker found (shon mcganty)
> 23. Re: The Cactus Eaters (Mr. Los Angeles)
> 24. Re: is iPhone 4s all I Need (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 25. Re: is iPhone 4s all I Need (gschenk1 at roadrunner.com)
> 26. Re: is iPhone 4s all I Need (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 27. Re: Lost hiker found (Bill Burge)
> 28. Re: Lost hiker found (PNW Hiker)
> 29. Re: Leki trekking pole repair - thank you for your input!
> (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 30. Re: lost hiker found (Ken Murray)
> 31. Re: Lost Hiker Found (Ken Murray)
> 32. Re: Lost Hiker Found (Mike Douglass)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 23:14:56 -0700
> From: Nick Panchot <trailtrasch at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] pct 2012 trailangel-ing
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> My trail name is Spydee, and i am going to be be throwing down some serious
> trail magic here in the state of Washington for the 2012 Thru
> Hikers!!!! i
> am planning on thru hiking in 2016, hopefully sooner!!! i am starting a
> blog and letting hikers know that there will be an on-call shuttle in
> washington and they will have something to look forward too in the
> sketchy,
> rainy state i call home!!
> hike on!!!!!!
> -Spydee
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:19:26 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need?
> To: Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Cc: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net> wrote:
> > when did phones become considered equal to cameras? Ansel hopefully is
> > rolling over in his grave...geez..
>
> Here is a really good article by a photo journalist on why he covered
> a story for the NYTimes with his iPhone as a camera.
>
>
> http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/finding-the-right-tool-to-tell-a-war-story/
> http://goo.gl/UHyXM
>
> ==== excerpt====
> Does it really matter what camera Damon Winter used to make these
> beautifully composed images? I don?t think so. It?s the images that
> are important.
>
> Whenever possible, I avoid writing about camera gear. The photographer
> takes the picture, not the equipment. Few people care what kind of
> typewriter Hemingway used.
>
> But it happens that Mr. Winter quickly realized ? after trying a few
> shots ? that his iPhone would be an effective way to capture the
> day-to-day trials of the First Battalion, 87th Infantry of the 10th
> Mountain Division in northern Afghanistan.
> ===============
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:08:57 -0700
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need?
> To: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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> I agree that composition come first. And second. And third.
>
> But a high image quality photographic system can contribute
> considerably to composition enjoyment. For me anyway. I like it when
> trees look more like trees, rocks look more like rocks, clouds more
> look like clouds. When more of the dynamic range (light and shadow)
> is captured. When the photo looks like what I saw.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:23:10 -0700
> From: Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need?
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I have a 3S and the images are just ok. Lately Ive been having troubles
> with condensation so you might want to look into some troubleshooting tips
> before leaving.
>
> Aside from the fact that you have one multipurpose device (gps, email,
> phone, camera , mp3) , I think its utility will make you have it somewhere
> more accessible then a camera. Whne I hiked the At, I had my camera stored
> in my backpack so I wouldn't always bother to stop to take a good shot if I
> was tired or in a hurry.
>
> With the Iphone, I have it stored ina hip belt pocket within easy reach.
>
> There is an added benefit of being able to post to facebook or other sites
> as soon as you get a wifi signal.
>
> Maybe not the best choice for "artistic" shots but I.m more interested in
> catching memories.
>
> I'd also second the previous post that recommended capturing random video
> of hiker life, trail angels, characters you meet on the trail, etc..
>
> Towards the end I started taking lots of pictures of food which were, in
> retropspct, kind of boring.
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Scott "Squatch" Herriott <
> yetifan7 at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I second Prodeal's assertion! The camera, given the weight consideration
> > when thru-hiking, is truly amazing.
> >
> >
> > Squatch
> > www.squatchfilms.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:23:21 -0700
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Is the iphone 4s
> To: <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Great post Deems. I also wonder how the entire experience of hiking the
> PCT is becoming so automated. The founding fathers are screaming from their
> graves. I must be showing my age for to me, a phone is an emergency tool
> only. Even that was never heard of 5 years ago. I thought we left
> civilization behind to hike the trail. Now we seem to be bringing
> modernization with us. I?ll go with paper maps and a phone for emergencies.
>
> are we there yet
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:38:54 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iphone 4s
> To: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>, <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Ditto from this end (but this should be expected...)
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> To: <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:23 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Is the iphone 4s
>
>
> > Great post Deems. I also wonder how the entire experience of hiking the
> > PCT is becoming so automated. The founding fathers are screaming from
> > their graves. I must be showing my age for to me, a phone is an
> emergency
> > tool only. Even that was never heard of 5 years ago. I thought we left
> > civilization behind to hike the trail. Now we seem to be bringing
> > modernization with us. I?ll go with paper maps and a phone for
> > emergencies.
> >
> > are we there yet
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:52:44 -0700
> From: Shian Sung <shian.sung at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] A16 'Hiking the PCT' presentation
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Len,
>
> Hey! The guy in those pictures sure looks familiar : ). Did you go
> last year? This is the second year of doing these slideshows at A16
> stores and I had a blast last year and also got to meet some people
> who post on the PCT-L and SoCal thru-hikers.
>
> If any PCT-L'ers are thinking about going to any of my slideshows this
> year you should make sure to say hi!
>
> There's also a "Happy Half-Hour" before my slideshow with free drinks
> and snacks, something that I know is very hard to pass up for all
> hikers : D. It starts at 6:30pm. Hope to see some of the great people
> from PCT-L there!
>
> -Shian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Len Glassner len5742 at gmail.com
> Tue Apr 3 12:27:25 CDT 2012
>
>
> http://www.adventure16.com/events.asp?itemid=174&submit=getrecord&recordid=125
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:08:11 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iphone 4s
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:23 AM, JoAnn <jomike at cot.net> wrote:
> > The founding fathers are screaming from their graves. ?I must be showing
> my age for to me, a phone is an emergency tool only. Even that was never
> heard of 5 years ago. I thought we left civilization behind to hike the
> trail. Now we seem to be bringing modernization with us. I?ll go with paper
> maps and a phone for emergencies.<
>
> Do you still hike with a wood frame pack, wear big leather boots,
> sleep in a canvas tent and carry cast iron pots like John Muir did? Or
> do you use modern technology like nylon and plastic?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 15:09:51 -0700
> From: Thelma Fredricksen <thelma.fredricksen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] General advice for a newcomer
> To: malcolm pryke <malpryke at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Hi Mal,
> There is a good little guide book available for folks like you who are
> coming from another country (it's also good for we locals). It's a Cicerone
> Guide book written by Alan Castle, a Brit, titled The John Muir Trail. He
> addresses these questions including things like getting a permit and so on.
> I highly recommend you get a copy. You'll find your answers in there.
> Thelma
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 3:51 AM, malcolm pryke <malpryke at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> >
> >
> > I live in Austria and would like to attempt the PCT next year. In
> > preparation for this I thought I could visit this year and do the John
> Muir
> > Trail. My problem is, I do not really know too much about the logistics
> of
> > doing this, and so I thought I would ask for some help and for some
> general
> > advice.
> >
> > 1) I would like to hike the JMT in August, is this advisable or should I
> > do it earlier/later?
> > 2) If I wanted to hike South to North, which is the best International
> > airport to fly to?
> > 3) Would it be advantageous to also take an internal flight to a nearer
> > airport or is public transport sufficient to get me to the trail head
> > 4)Where can I get my pass to enter the parks. I fear I am too late to
> > reserve a pass for this year, so what are the odds of getting a pass if I
> > just turn up 1 day before and try to get one of the remaining non
> > allocated passes.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks in advance for your help, I really appreciate it
> >
> > Mal
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 15:57:44 -0700
> From: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Way out on a limb: anyone hiking with a pad computer?
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <67D40AB1-E2D2-4AD8-922E-56DCB66F985B at ruffwork.com>
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> So, given the number of pad computers (iPad, samsung note, etc.) is anyone
> hiking with one?
>
> Ruffwork
>
> Sent from my iPad...heh...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 16:02:17 -0700
> From: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need?
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <1DE998C8-84D7-4713-BE04-569B775CDA9E at ruffwork.com>
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> And that's where the subjective part of photography kicks in.
> I'll bet Ansel Adams would still be packing around an 8x10 view camera if
> he was still alive...heh...
> It all depends on what you want out of the photos you take...
>
> Ruffwork
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:16:06 -0700
> From: "barberaj at tds.net" <barberaj at tds.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Don't follow my tracks
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Just came from 151 - 179. Hit lots of snow. Ok at first because the terrain
> made the trail obvious. The last 3 miles the trail is obliterated. We
> were
> "off trail " for hours. Even with GPS, maps and compass we were seriously
> challenged. GPS miles not matching map miles was part of the picture.
>
> Alex is with me and Dan from Florida 2 days ahead. If you're close behind,
> don't follow my tracks
>
> Joe B
>
> Joe B.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:16:39 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] General advice for a newcomer
> To: malcolm pryke <malpryke at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Dear malcom
>
> I am a Japanese, repeatedly visiting JMT. Shroomer is very talkative.
> He had felt discomfort when I had eaten one dozen of pancakes at the
> buffet of Curry Village. My complaints is that he is not a beautiful
> woman.
>
> BTW. All the essential information is assembled in my link page.
> http://bit.ly/gbBGx8 The link page is written in Japanese, but it is
> written by simple Japanese, you can read them by Google translator.
> The linked target is English page.
>
> Wilderness permit reservations are available 24 weeks (168 days) from the
> date of entry. At present, all are occupied. http://bit.ly/oCvSYT
>
> There is no permit of JMT. The entry point of JMT is Happy
> Isles->Little Yosemite Valley, another route is Happy
> Isles->Sunrise/Merced Lake (pass through). The exit point is Whitney
> Portal.
>
> At present, the reservation is full, but permit is carried out by
> Quota system. http://1.usa.gov/ouXit0
>
> The number of permit reservations of Happy Isles to Little Yosemite
> Valley (LYV) is 18, but the permit of (first-come, first-served) is
> 12. That is, If you wait in the top of the line from the early
> morning, you can get a permit. If you felt difficulty to get a permit
> from the Yosemite Valley, try the permit from Lyell Canyon(
> first-come, first-served 16 ).
>
> I have heard that permit from the south is more easy, if you gave up
> the summit of Mt. Whitney.
>
> You can get topological map from: http://www.onthetrail.org/jmtmaps.html
>
> The public transportation from San Francisco is good. There is Amtrak
> and YARTS bus.
> http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/HomePage
> http://www.yarts.com/
> from Lone Pine http://www.estransit.com/CMS/
>
> I usually send my re-supplies to VVR http://bit.ly/HVtowD
>
> JMT is a very good place to spent summer holidays. Magnificent
> scenery, beautiful flowers, pretty women, free English lessen. I am
> not a crazy PCTer, because they walk and walk and walk. I am just
> enjoying the beautiful garden.
>
>
>
>
> 2012/3/31 malcolm pryke <malpryke at yahoo.co.uk>:
> > Hi All
> >
> >
> > I live in Austria and would like to attempt the PCT next year. In
> preparation for this I thought I could visit this year and do the John Muir
> Trail. My problem is, I do not really know too much about the logistics of
> doing this, and so I thought I would ask for some help and for some general
> advice.
> >
> > 1) I would like to hike the JMT in August, is this advisable or should I
> do it earlier/later?
> > 2) If I wanted to hike South to North, which is the best International
> airport to fly to?
> > 3) Would it be advantageous to also take an internal flight to a nearer
> airport or is public transport sufficient to get me to the trail head
> > 4)Where can I get my pass to enter the parks. I fear I am too late to
> reserve a pass for this year, so what are the odds of getting a pass if I
> just turn up 1 day before and try to get one of the remaining non
> allocated passes.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks in advance for your help, I really appreciate it
> >
> > Mal
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>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami ???? )
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> Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> JMT, 2009, 2010, 2011(half).
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:17:18 -0400
> From: Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need?
> To: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E1A7AA1B-6357-45DE-A054-E185DB625AED at gmail.com>
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> Not to mention doing his own darkroom work. Some real magic happens in
> there. I've never seen a commercial shop do justice to a negative, although
> I suppose it's theoretically possible.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:02 PM, ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com> wrote:
>
> > And that's where the subjective part of photography kicks in.
> > I'll bet Ansel Adams would still be packing around an 8x10 view camera
> if he was still alive...heh...
> > It all depends on what you want out of the photos you take...
> >
> > Ruffwork
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:33:28 -0700
> From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Don't follow my tracks
> To: "barberaj at tds.net" <barberaj at tds.net>,pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1bb7fdb8-2da4-498f-8abc-d963f96a05c2 at email.android.com>
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> Glad you're all safe. We lost a hiker there a few years ago - they found
> him a year later.
>
> We've also had cases of hikers blindly following footprints. One hiker got
> lost and followed a set of footprints to arrive at another tent at sundown.
> The occupant of that tent was also lost. The next day they both backtracked
> out.
>
> AsABat
> PCT Water Reports Socal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
> Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
>
>
> "barberaj at tds.net" <barberaj at tds.net> wrote:
>
> Just came from 151 - 179. Hit lots of snow. Ok at first because the terrain
> made the trail obvious. The last 3 miles the trail is obliterated. We were
> "off trail " for hours. Even with GPS, maps and compass we were seriously
> challenged. GPS miles not matching map miles was part of the picture.
>
> Alex is with me and Dan from Florida 2 days ahead. If you're close behind,
> don't follow my tracks
>
> Joe B
>
> Joe B.
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:25:01 -0700
> From: PNW Hiker <pnw.hiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost hiker found
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> I met this hiker above Whitewater reserve (former trout farm). He was
> coming down the mountain after being turned back by snow.
>
> He was unaware that the rescue people were looking for him. He thought
> everything was resolved a few days before when he waved off a helicopter.
> Upon learning that there was an army of rescue personnel looking for him he
> asked me to call his wife an let her know he was ok as soon as I got cell
> phone reception, which I did.
>
> One suggestion to rescue personnel, if there are any reading this list,
> please send up hikers to look for lost hikers - hikers who don't stop at
> county lines. It would have resolved this situation sooner.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jonh Jones <jnhjns925 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) -- A 75-year-old experienced hiker lost in
> > Southern California mountains for more than a week has been found in good
> > condition.
> >
> > San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman says John
> Hurgner
> > of Fredericksburg, TX was found Sunday night in the Big Bear Lake area.
> >
> > The Desert Sun of Palm Springs says Hurgner was hiking along a section of
> > the 2,663-mile Pacific Crest Trail in the San Bernardino Mountains. He
> > failed to reach his checkpoint on March 22 at a Motel 6 in San
> Bernardino.
> >
> > His wife reported him missing on Sunday morning and Riverside and San
> > Bernardino county authorities began a search.
> >
> > He was found in good health about eight hours later.
> >
> > Bachman says he apparently wandered off the trail and got lost. Hurgner
> had
> > food, appropriate clothing and other tools that allowed him to survive.
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:38:10 -0700
> From: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need?
> To: Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <DBD64A34-5F10-4636-BCFE-81EF09EE78F3 at ruffwork.com>
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> I love how he left all his negatives to science. Totally awesome!!!
>
> Ruffwork
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4!
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Not to mention doing his own darkroom work. Some real magic happens in
> there. I've never seen a commercial shop do justice to a negative, although
> I suppose it's theoretically possible.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:02 PM, ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And that's where the subjective part of photography kicks in.
> >> I'll bet Ansel Adams would still be packing around an 8x10 view camera
> if he was still alive...heh...
> >> It all depends on what you want out of the photos you take...
> >>
> >> Ruffwork
> >>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:52:33 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iPhone 4S the only camera you need?
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com> wrote:
> > I love how he left all his negatives to science. Totally awesome!!!
>
> Is anyone actually planning on using film this year?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:16:52 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] is iPhone 4s all I Need
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Went hiking this weekend in the wilderness behind Santa Barbara. The
> iPhone's GPS didn't seem to work very well. We couldn't even use the
> star chart app. When else would you want to use the star chart except
> for when you can actually see stars? The phone couldn't tell where it
> was so couldn't orient to the sky. It seems phones don't work very
> well in the wilderness. I certainly wouldn't trust one for navigation
> away from the city.
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Scott Zinda wrote:
> >> I would also consider the Canon S100. Its not
> >> waterproof, but it has manual controls and has a GPS built in to
> >> Geotag
> >> your photos.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience regarding how fast camera GPSs
> > determine location?
> > Is it possible to turn the GPS function off to save on batteries,
> > for example?
> >
> > Radar
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:51:49 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is the iphone 4s
> To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> No I don't still carry a wood frame pack, a canvas tent, or cast iron pots.
> Never did. I think most hikers switches to aluminum or old "tin cans" years
> and years ago.
> Over the years the new and ever lighter and improved gear have made
> backpacking easier and thus attracted more people.
>
> I carry a cell phone and often have signal -- sometimes there is someone I
> to contact; often not. Still it_ may_ come in handy for emergencies or
> just connecting with drivers for a pickup.
>
> I usually carry a GPS and occasionally use it to confirm where I'm at or
> directions. Still I've hiked many miles before there was GPS.
>
> I appreciate the disconnect from civilization on the trail so I minimize
> the connection.
>
> For those who want to be constantly in contact I urge you to log off and
> sign off for a few days even at home. Will change your perspective on life.
>
> Tortoise
>
> Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
> inevitable
> President John F Kennedy, 1962
>
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>
>
> On 2012.04.04 14:08, Brick Robbins wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:23 AM, JoAnn<jomike at cot.net> wrote:
> >> The founding fathers are screaming from their graves. I must be
> showing my age for to me, a phone is an emergency tool only. Even that was
> never heard of 5 years ago. I thought we left civilization behind to hike
> the trail. Now we seem to be bringing modernization with us. I'll go with
> paper maps and a phone for emergencies.<
> > Do you still hike with a wood frame pack, wear big leather boots,
> > sleep in a canvas tent and carry cast iron pots like John Muir did? Or
> > do you use modern technology like nylon and plastic?
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:14:08 -0700
> From: J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] is iPhone 4s all I Need
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <13072C5F-E1D1-46E4-93F8-D127CD3E5B14 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
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> My experience has been different. Using an iPhone 3Gs, I got GPS locations
> everywhere except in deep canyons. And was able to relate them to
> Halfmile's waypoints without any problems. I did not try to use the star
> chart.
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
>
> > Went hiking this weekend in the wilderness behind Santa Barbara. The
> > iPhone's GPS didn't seem to work very well. We couldn't even use the
> > star chart app. When else would you want to use the star chart except
> > for when you can actually see stars? The phone couldn't tell where it
> > was so couldn't orient to the sky. It seems phones don't work very
> > well in the wilderness. I certainly wouldn't trust one for navigation
> > away from the city.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 01:11:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost hiker found
> To: Jonh Jones <jnhjns925 at gmail.com>, "Pct-L at backcountry.net"
> <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> I really feel for the burdens of search and rescue , the risks they take,
> and taxpayers who pay for them.?
> ?
> I know little of the details, but am I correct that this hiker was not
> "lost" as the media reports?? And he wasn't "found," but turned around due
> to snow, making the safe and rational decision not to hike beyond his
> abilities.?
> ?
> Was this a thru-hiker?? Anyone know?? If he's a thru-hiker it should be
> expected that only an estimate can be made how long it takes to walk to the
> next town/phone.? I wonder how long the spouse waited to report he hadn't
> called home, and how quickly did the agency involved get SAR involved.??
> ?
> I once was unable to call at one town stop,?forgot to call at the next.?
> My girlfriend did call the forest service, and he said to wait a little
> longer.
> Another time I?was sick on a weekend hike (got the flu,?had no energy, and
> it was very hot) and got back to the car late on Sunday night and tried to
> drive home, but was falling asleep driving despite pinching or slapping
> myself.? I had to pull off and sleep and drive home early Monday. My
> girlfriend called the?forest service to report I hadn't come home, but they
> said to wait and see if I turn up on my own (I called home as soon as I was
> in phone range).??
> ?
> I feel real bad about the worry I've caused her, and I'm very luck no SAR
> was called out both times.? It makes it sound like I'm not a responsible
> hiker, but things happen.?
> ?
> All this is to say I wonder if the search and resue was unnecessarily
> called in.? A report came out recently about unneccessary medical
> spending.? Can the same be said of SAR?
> ?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jonh Jones <jnhjns925 at gmail.com>
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 12:43 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Lost hiker found
>
> BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) -- A 75-year-old experienced hiker lost in
> Southern California mountains for more than a week has been found in good
> condition.
>
> San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman says John Hurgner
> of Fredericksburg, TX? was found Sunday night in the Big Bear Lake area.
>
> The Desert Sun of Palm Springs says Hurgner was hiking along a section of
> the 2,663-mile Pacific Crest Trail in the San Bernardino Mountains. He
> failed to reach his checkpoint on March 22 at a Motel 6 in San Bernardino.
>
> His wife reported him missing on Sunday morning and Riverside and San
> Bernardino county authorities began a search.
>
> He was found in good health about eight hours later.
>
> Bachman says he apparently wandered off the trail and got lost. Hurgner had
> food, appropriate clothing and other tools that allowed him to survive.
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:03:32 -0500
> From: "Mr. Los Angeles" <mrlosangeless at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Cactus Eaters
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Don't know if my other post shows up (may have botched the reply), but I
> see from his blog that they hiked in 1993 and 1994.
>
> Also, it appear that "Fishbody" is living in San Franciso now, after
> blowing his chance with Allison. You draw the conclusions.
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > > Just read *The Cactus Eaters* by Dan
> > > White. Too bad he blew it with
> > > Allison.
> >
> > I know! They seemed to be the most adorable hiker couple. I don't
> recall
> > why it was they split up.
> >
> > > Which years did they start and finish? I turned the
> > > book back in to the
> > > library and don't remember.
> >
> > While a quick flip through my own copy didn't reveal said information,
> the
> > copyright is 2008. I figure at least a year, probably two, of lead-time
> > for all the usual writing-publishing stuff and I'd guess 2005 or '06.
> >
> > William Sullivan's Trans-Oregon through-hike chronicled in his book
> > *Listening for Coyote* I think actually states it as...1985, if I recall
> > correctly.
> >
> > > Is there anyplace to view their PCT hike pics?
> >
> > I looked right after reading the book myself, but I didn't find any. I
> > may not have delved deeply enough.
> >
> > -Nate the Trail Zombie
> > Newberg, OR
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 06:44:19 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] is iPhone 4s all I Need
> To: J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <D01FAD30-BED5-4AA6-A310-C83A5BF3A607 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Yes, it may have been user error. He says now his problem was he
> forgot to take it out of airplane mode. However, I remember him
> discovering this error, fixing it, and still not being able to get
> the phone to orient well enough to use the star chart. That's all the
> experience I have with iphones as I do not have one myself.
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:14 PM, J J wrote:
>
> > My experience has been different. Using an iPhone 3Gs, I got GPS
> > locations everywhere except in deep canyons. And was able to relate
> > them to Halfmile's waypoints without any problems. I did not try to
> > use the star chart.
> >
> >
> > On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
> >
> >> Went hiking this weekend in the wilderness behind Santa Barbara. The
> >> iPhone's GPS didn't seem to work very well. We couldn't even use the
> >> star chart app. When else would you want to use the star chart except
> >> for when you can actually see stars? The phone couldn't tell where it
> >> was so couldn't orient to the sky. It seems phones don't work very
> >> well in the wilderness. I certainly wouldn't trust one for navigation
> >> away from the city.
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 9:56:12 -0400
> From: <gschenk1 at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] is iPhone 4s all I Need
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20120405135612.Y3HFS.228673.root at hrndva-web08-z02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> It's interesting that people seem so quick to dispense with survival gear
> in the interest of saving weight, and then fill their packs with cameras,
> GPS, Spot devices, solar charges, etc.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:02:46 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] is iPhone 4s all I Need
> To: gschenk1 at roadrunner.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CABc=HNnt3X48ncYR_-OEJUYpCoBPhgMXC1TnQ=ay+NWcQkMXFQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> "We have no knowledge and so we have 'stuff', but 'stuff' with no knowledge
> is never enough ...?
> - Lyrics, *Two Little Feet*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:56 AM, <gschenk1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> > It's interesting that people seem so quick to dispense with survival gear
> > in the interest of saving weight, and then fill their packs with cameras,
> > GPS, Spot devices, solar charges, etc.
> >
> > Gary
> >
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> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:22:55 -0700
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost hiker found
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <B5CEC349-40A2-4D25-9C51-9648BBD0CB96 at burge.com>
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>
> "taxpayers who pay for them. "
>
> In some (many?) situations they are volunteers.
>
> In that instance, they give up their time (and in those situations most
> gear is personally purchased as well) and risk themselves not just unpaid,
> but at a loss if they miss their regular work.
>
> Bill Burge
> bill at burge.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:11 AM, shon mcganty wrote:
>
> > I really feel for the burdens of search and rescue , the risks they
> take, and taxpayers who pay for them.
> >
> > I know little of the details, but am I correct that this hiker was not
> "lost" as the media reports? And he wasn't "found," but turned around due
> to snow, making the safe and rational decision not to hike beyond his
> abilities.
> >
> > Was this a thru-hiker? Anyone know? If he's a thru-hiker it should be
> expected that only an estimate can be made how long it takes to walk to the
> next town/phone. I wonder how long the spouse waited to report he hadn't
> called home, and how quickly did the agency involved get SAR involved.
> >
> > I once was unable to call at one town stop, forgot to call at the next.
> My girlfriend did call the forest service, and he said to wait a little
> longer.
> > Another time I was sick on a weekend hike (got the flu, had no energy,
> and it was very hot) and got back to the car late on Sunday night and tried
> to drive home, but was falling asleep driving despite pinching or slapping
> myself. I had to pull off and sleep and drive home early Monday. My
> girlfriend called the forest service to report I hadn't come home, but they
> said to wait and see if I turn up on my own (I called home as soon as I was
> in phone range).
> >
> > I feel real bad about the worry I've caused her, and I'm very luck no
> SAR was called out both times. It makes it sound like I'm not a
> responsible hiker, but things happen.
> >
> > All this is to say I wonder if the search and resue was unnecessarily
> called in. A report came out recently about unneccessary medical spending.
> Can the same be said of SAR?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jonh Jones <jnhjns925 at gmail.com>
> > To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 12:43 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Lost hiker found
> >
> > BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) -- A 75-year-old experienced hiker lost in
> > Southern California mountains for more than a week has been found in good
> > condition.
> >
> > San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman says John
> Hurgner
> > of Fredericksburg, TX was found Sunday night in the Big Bear Lake area.
> >
> > The Desert Sun of Palm Springs says Hurgner was hiking along a section of
> > the 2,663-mile Pacific Crest Trail in the San Bernardino Mountains. He
> > failed to reach his checkpoint on March 22 at a Motel 6 in San
> Bernardino.
> >
> > His wife reported him missing on Sunday morning and Riverside and San
> > Bernardino county authorities began a search.
> >
> > He was found in good health about eight hours later.
> >
> > Bachman says he apparently wandered off the trail and got lost. Hurgner
> had
> > food, appropriate clothing and other tools that allowed him to survive.
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:06:41 -0700
> From: PNW Hiker <pnw.hiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost hiker found
> To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:11 AM, shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > ... I know little of the details, but am I correct that this hiker was
> not
> > "lost" as the media reports? And he wasn't "found," but turned around
> due
> > to snow, making the safe and rational decision not to hike beyond his
> > abilities...
> >
>
> No, he wasn't lost, just turned back by the snow, and his cell phone
> battery was dead, (there wasn't much cell coverage in the area anyway).
>
> I saw the rescue searchers on foot stop at the county line going up the
> mountain. They need to recruit some PCT hiker volunteers who aren't stopped
> by county lines and give them a radio.
>
> I saw the S&R helecopter miss the hiker while it was flying up Mission
> Creek - I had to point and signal and wave, eventually scrawling a message
> in the sand - they 'found' him a half hour later. Again, in this case, a
> hiker on the ground would have been better, faster and less expensive.
>
> Thank you rescue workers for your good work - please don't take my
> criticism as negative or malicious.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:55:05 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Leki trekking pole repair - thank you for your
> input!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning,
>
> It?s great to hear that someone (else) gets great service from Leki, but
> those stories make me even more peeved that my wife ? the kindest and most
> considerate person in the world ? was targeted for shabby treatment. She
> asked Leki to SELL a pole section to her, and she said she would PAY for it
> to be sent to Kennedy Meadows. All the Leki person said was that nothing
> could be done; she should buy a new set of poles.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Ingrid <happyplate09 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear PCT-L-ers,
> >
> > this is somewhat of a late reply, but I still wanted to say a big
> > thank you to everyone who responded to my question about contacting
> > Leki about my trekking poles. Special thanks to Dr. Bob for supplying
> > Renee's email address - I got a very prompt response, and a
> > replacement section of my pole sent shortly afterwards! Once I got
> > through to them, Leki has great customer service! My faith in them
> > has been restored (and so have my hiking poles)!
> >
> > Again, thanks a lot, everyone! :-)
> >
> > Ingrid /
> > Happy Plate
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> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:29:29 -0400
> From: Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] lost hiker found
> To: "." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> One comment: hikers who are going to be out have an obligation to make
> arrangements in case they do not come back. What I mean is designating
> someone who is empowered on your behalf to act, then leaving instructions
> as to what to do.
> For example, in this story, the girlfriend called the FS. The forest
> service does not deal with rescues. It is the sheriff for the county
> involved who handles this (except in the Nat'l Parks, where they handle
> them, themselves).
> The designated person should have instructions WHEN to call, WHO to call,
> with information that will help, such as the route and start and end points.
>
> And it is CRITICAL, once such a call is made, if you come out, CALL BACK
> and let them know you are out. This can save a lot of trouble.
>
> =======================
> I really feel for the burdens of search and rescue , the risks they take,
> and taxpayers who pay for them.
>
> I know little of the details, but am I correct that this hiker was not
> "lost" as the media reports? And he wasn't "found," but turned around due
> to snow, making the safe and rational decision not to hike beyond his
> abilities.
>
> Was this a thru-hiker? Anyone know? If he's a thru-hiker it should be
> expected that only an estimate can be made how long it takes to walk to the
> next town/phone. I wonder how long the spouse waited to report he hadn't
> called home, and how quickly did the agency involved get SAR involved.
>
> I once was unable to call at one town stop, forgot to call at the next.
> My girlfriend did call the forest service, and he said to wait a little
> longer.
> Another time I was sick on a weekend hike (got the flu, had no energy, and
> it was very hot) and got back to the car late on Sunday night and tried to
> drive home, but was falling asleep driving despite pinching or slapping
> myself. I had to pull off and sleep and drive home early Monday. My
> girlfriend called the forest service to report I hadn't come home, but they
> said to wait and see if I turn up on my own (I called home as soon as I was
> in phone range).
>
> I feel real bad about the worry I've caused her, and I'm very luck no SAR
> was called out both times. It makes it sound like I'm not a responsible
> hiker, but things happen.
>
> All this is to say I wonder if the search and resue was unnecessarily
> called in. A report came out recently about unneccessary medical spending.
> Can the same be said of SAR?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:45:03 -0400
> From: Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost Hiker Found
> To: "." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I may be confused by your narrative, if I misunderstand, sorry.
>
> In SAR operations, there are often MANY teams sent out, each of which is
> given a specific area to cover. The teams should NOT go anywhere else.
> Part of the skill that SAR uses is "mantracking", which involves tracking
> boot/shoe tracks. Having a bunch of people running all over the place
> destroys that evidence. This can be critical in the situations where a
> person is off-trail. It drives them crazy when a bunch of volunteer go in
> and destroy those clues.
>
> It is easy to look at things "after the fact", and say "AHA! If they just
> send hikers out in a radial pattern, they'd have found the person faster.
> The problem, of course, is that they DONT know those answers prior to a
> person being found. So there are processes that are designed to work the
> maximal percentage of time, with the shortest AVERAGE search time. For a
> particular search it may work out to be not the fastest, but you can't know
> that in advance.
>
> BTW, if you are trying to get the attention of a helicopter (it is
> UNBELIEVABLY hard to spot someone on the ground!!), the best way to do this
> is to light a small fire, and throw some leaves/needles on it...a lot of
> smoke. Easy to spot from the air, will never be thought to be normal.
>
>
>
>
> =============================
> I saw the rescue searchers on foot stop at the county line going up the
> mountain. They need to recruit some PCT hiker volunteers who aren't stopped
> by county lines and give them a radio.
>
> I saw the S&R helecopter miss the hiker while it was flying up Mission
> Creek - I had to point and signal and wave, eventually scrawling a message
> in the sand - they 'found' him a half hour later. Again, in this case, a
> hiker on the ground would have been better, faster and less expensive.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:59:32 -0400
> From: Mike Douglass <mdouglass3 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost Hiker Found
> To: Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net>
> Cc: "." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> I have a dumb question...what is the "lost person's" $ liability in the
> event of search and rescue?
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net> wrote:
>
> > I may be confused by your narrative, if I misunderstand, sorry.
> >
> > In SAR operations, there are often MANY teams sent out, each of which is
> > given a specific area to cover. The teams should NOT go anywhere else.
> > Part of the skill that SAR uses is "mantracking", which involves
> tracking
> > boot/shoe tracks. Having a bunch of people running all over the place
> > destroys that evidence. This can be critical in the situations where a
> > person is off-trail. It drives them crazy when a bunch of volunteer go
> in
> > and destroy those clues.
> >
> > It is easy to look at things "after the fact", and say "AHA! If they
> just
> > send hikers out in a radial pattern, they'd have found the person faster.
> > The problem, of course, is that they DONT know those answers prior to a
> > person being found. So there are processes that are designed to work the
> > maximal percentage of time, with the shortest AVERAGE search time. For a
> > particular search it may work out to be not the fastest, but you can't
> know
> > that in advance.
> >
> > BTW, if you are trying to get the attention of a helicopter (it is
> > UNBELIEVABLY hard to spot someone on the ground!!), the best way to do
> this
> > is to light a small fire, and throw some leaves/needles on it...a lot of
> > smoke. Easy to spot from the air, will never be thought to be normal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =============================
> > I saw the rescue searchers on foot stop at the county line going up the
> > mountain. They need to recruit some PCT hiker volunteers who aren't
> stopped
> > by county lines and give them a radio.
> >
> > I saw the S&R helecopter miss the hiker while it was flying up Mission
> > Creek - I had to point and signal and wave, eventually scrawling a
> message
> > in the sand - they 'found' him a half hour later. Again, in this case, a
> > hiker on the ground would have been better, faster and less expensive.
> >
> >
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