[pct-l] June start
Seth Jacobs
jacobs.sethf at gmail.com
Fri Jan 27 22:15:50 CST 2012
Thanks for all the input re my question about starting in June. I've
decided to rearrange my schedule, and I'll be starting the week of April
16. Even though I'm only hiking the first two sections I'm really jazzed
about it. I've had the PCT on my mind ever since reading "Dances with
Marmets". My original plan had been to hike the whole thing at once, but I
realized that might never happen. So I'm just going to break it into
sections and get started.
Hope to see all of you on the trail!
Seth
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> 3. Re: Rain Jackets (Sir Mixalot)
> 4. Northern CA Oregon section (JoAnn)
> 5. Rain jackets (Susan Alcorn)
> 6. Rain jacket Patagonia Shadow (JoAnn)
> 7. Re: June start (Dan Young)
> 8. Re: Rain Jackets (Scott Williams)
> 9. Re: Rain Jackets (Ann Marie)
> 10. Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (mark utzman)
> 11. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Brick Robbins)
> 12. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Sir Mixalot)
> 13. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Charles Williams)
> 14. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Eric Lee)
> 15. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Scott Bryce)
> 16. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Charles Williams)
> 17. lightweight tent? (Ken Powers)
> 18. Re: Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 19. Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Frank Gilliland)
> 20. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Hillary Schwirtlich)
> 21. Re: Phones and other issues (Tortoise)
> 22. Re: Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
> (Edward Anderson)
> 23. Re: Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike (Scott Williams)
> 24. Re: Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
> (Scott Williams)
> 25. Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions (Deems)
> 26. Re: Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
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> 27. Re: Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
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> 28. Early request for ride from San Diego Airport to Warner
> Springss (Sevenon7th at yahoo.com)
> 29. Re: Early request for ride from San Diego Airport to Warner
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:22:24 +0000 (UTC)
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> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Community Perpetual Bear Canister Loan Program
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> Attention: 2012 nobo PCT thru-hikers...
> Announcing the sixth year of the PCT Community Perpetual Bear Canister
> Loan Program!
>
> Are you on a very tight budget, have limited finances, or coming from
> outside the USA or
> from an area of the country in which you won't have ANY use whatsoever for
> a bear canister
> after your PCT thru-hike?
> You may be able to borrow a bear canister for your PCT thru-hike for
> 'free' (except for USPS
> return shipping & insurance)...
> The loan program is NOT done on a 'first come - first served basis', but
> rather on a show of
> 'some' need, however small, in the borrower selection process...
> The loan program is run solely on the HONOR SYSTEM - so please be honest
> and open
> when submitting your request (requests remain confidential)...
> Sorry, but the loan program is not set up to serve sobo thrus, long
> section hikes starting after
> Agua Dulce (Hiker Heaven), nor JMT hikers - we do NOT ship the canisters
> to thrus on the
> trail, canisters are picked up in person at Hiker Heaven in Agua Dulce, CA
> (most thrus then
> buy supplies, pack it in the canister, and mail it to Kennedy Meadows from
> Hiker Heaven)...
>
> If you think you might qualify for a 'free' bear canister loan for your
> 2012 nobo PCT thru-hike,
> please contact me off-list via email (subject: PCT Bear Can Loan) - and
> briefly explain your
> reason or need to borrow a bear canister for your PCT thru-hike...
> Selected borrowers must provide an active (during & after your hike) email
> address and
> phone number, your anticipated start date, and 'planned' ETA at Hiker
> Heaven...
> Selected borrowers must also agree to an informal 'contract' via email
> before a canister is
> reserved in your name and the loan is 'finalized'...
> I'll be glad to answer most any other questions regarding the bear
> canister loan program...
>
> Please don't delay until the last moment to request a canister; we would
> like to arrange and
> finalize all canister loans by the middle of March at the very latest...
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> Thank you.
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> Happy trails!!!
> Jim "PITA" Payne
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:39:30 -0500 (EST)
> From: bighummel at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rain Jackets
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> Maybe I'm too old of a thru-hiker and haven't kept up on the development
> of rain gear, but why are Frogg Toggs not even mentioned in these
> discussions on the list and on a recent review of rain gear on
> backpackinglight.com? They, in my experience, are light weight,
> waterproof, breathable and yep, they're a bit delicate, but hell, for the
> cost of some of these other high tech jackets, you can buy two or three
> sets of jacket and pants of Frogg Toggs.
>
>
> I wore my Frogg Toggs to work this week, during a heavy rain storm here
> and got lot's of "what is that?" No one believes that they are waterproof
> until you put your sleeve under a faucet and it stays completed dry inside.
> Next test; the shower!
>
>
> Greg Hummel
>
>
>
> ?My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.?
> ? Dalai
> Lama XIV
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:52:32 -0800
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rain Jackets
> To: bighummel at aol.com
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> I'm a big fan after using a Dri Ducks poncho last week while doing trail
> work. It held up fine and I used it again yesterday for a short 3 mile
> walk. On both occasions I stayed incredibly dry underneath, even more so
> than I had previously while using a silnylon poncho. I was impressed
> enough that I have a Dri Ducks suit set to be delivered today.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM, <bighummel at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe I'm too old of a thru-hiker and haven't kept up on the development
> > of rain gear, but why are Frogg Toggs not even mentioned in these
> > discussions on the list and on a recent review of rain gear on
> > backpackinglight.com? They, in my experience, are light weight,
> > waterproof, breathable and yep, they're a bit delicate, but hell, for the
> > cost of some of these other high tech jackets, you can buy two or three
> > sets of jacket and pants of Frogg Toggs.
> >
> >
> > I wore my Frogg Toggs to work this week, during a heavy rain storm here
> > and got lot's of "what is that?" No one believes that they are waterproof
> > until you put your sleeve under a faucet and it stays completed dry
> inside.
> > Next test; the shower!
> >
> >
> > Greg Hummel
> >
> >
> >
> > "My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness."
> > -- Dalai
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:14:03 -0800
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Northern CA Oregon section
> To: <caserr at gmail.com>
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> If you wanted to be even closer to your eventual destination in California,
> you could go from Castella/Castle Crags at I5 in California up to either
> Seiad Valley (157 miles) or to Ashland (214 miles). If you wanted to land
> closer to your 180 mile goal there are road access points in between Seiad
> and Ashland. That would take you through Castle Crags, the Trinity Alps
> wilderness and lots of nice scenery north of there.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Then you could leave your car at my place and I?d see you got to the TH in
> Castella.
>
> are we there yet
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:08:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Susan Alcorn <backpack45 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Rain jackets
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> My experience is like Hayden's. My Precip jacket was great initially, but
> when it failed, it was miserable. The rainpants, however, have been great
> for years! I'm now back to wearing a (K know, heavy) Goretex by Mountain
> Hardware with a Packa over it when needed. Sort of a belt and suspenders
> operation, but at least I stay dry. Umbrella is a must with me!
> Susan Alcorn
> Shepherd Canyon Books, Oakland, CA
> www.backpack45.com and backpack45.blogspot.com
> http://www.examiner.com/hiking-in-san-francisco/susan-alcorn
> Publishers of two award-winning books: Camino Chronicle: Walking to
> Santiago and We're in the Mountains Not over the Hill: Tales and Tips from
> Seasoned Women Backpackers.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:10:42 -0800
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Rain jacket Patagonia Shadow
> To: <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thanks for the information Deems. I up graded to the Shadow using
> Backcountry.com with their incredible prices. Lots of reviews of the
> Shadow, virtually everyone positive. At 10 ozs., wind proof, water proof
> and breathable I hope I got the right jacket.
>
> JoAnn
> are we there yet
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:44:39 -0900
> From: Dan Young <dan at danslife.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] June start
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Hey Seth,
>
> You will be fine - there are a few stretches that might
> be warm with regards to heat and water availability.
> I am assuming your
> coming out around Idyllwild? The sections you may have to look out for
> are the San filepe travers after scissors corssing, from Caliente Creek
> just out of Warner Springs and then after crossing Hyw 74 (Pines to
> Palms) on your way to Idyllwild.
>
> Dan
>
> On 22.01.2012 10:31, Seth
> Jacobs wrote:
>
> > I'm going to hike the first 200 miles of the PCT this
> year, starting in
> > Campo. I ran into a scheduling conflict so I won't
> be able to start until
> > the first week of June. Otherwise I'd have to
> start first 2 weeks of
> > April. Is starting in June a deal breaker, even
> if all I'm hiking is the
> > first two sections? I know I'll have to carry
> quite a bit of water.
> >
> > Seth
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:33:32 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rain Jackets
> To: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net, bighummel at aol.com
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> I was a fan of Dri Ducks when I set out from Campo, but we had some really
> lousy weather in the first few weeks of desert chaparral hiking and
> actually wearing them in wind and snow on the San Felipe Ridge and a few
> other places left them in shreds by the time we hitched back to KO. There
> simply wasn't that much duct tape!!! They are great in the rain if the bad
> weather happens where the trail is in good shape but if it's an overgrown
> mess or full of blow down, they just didn't hold up for several of us that
> used them. That being said, they do breath and really do shed water, and
> best of all, they're cheap, but bring duct tape to hold them together until
> you can make it to your bounce box and a second pair. Setting off with a
> couple of them at the ready is actually a great idea if you decide to go
> with them.
>
> I bought heavier more chaparral friendly traditional rain gear at KO. The
> jacket I carried the rest of the trip, but had the pants mailed to Cascade
> Locks from Sonora Pass. No CA and OR were warm and dry enough to make the
> pants unnecessary.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:13:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rain Jackets
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> Personally, I've used a cheap Campmor rain jacket/pants setup for the JMT
> (in 2009) and Southern California (in 2010, 2011), and been both happy and
> sad with it. It's not UL, but I would use both pieces again after treating
> them with more water repellant for my next future hike. I have had to add
> some waterproof patches to the rain pants to fix holes that occurred during
> High Sierra snow hikes, but they are minor repairs.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:25:33 -0800
> From: mark utzman <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
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> Hello Everyone,
>
> I understand the concept of HYOH, I am just trying to learn from
> experienced thru-hikers how they do things. How often do you, on average,
> take breaks from walking? Every hour, every two hours, etc. If I was to,
> lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10 or 15 minute break, and do that
> every 2 hours, is that reasonable? Or are you powerhiking 4-5 hours at a
> stretch to get your miles in for the day? Yes, you guessed it, I'm an
> inexperienced long distance backpacker, but as I have said, I WANT TO LEARN
> FROM YOU. Taking frequent breaks is, I think, going to be an important
> strategy for me to be able to pull this thru-hike off, unless taking too
> many breaks will take TOO MUCH time to complete such a hike. I appreciate
> any and all responses. Thank you, Mark
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:48:29 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: mark utzman <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Powerhike? Scheduled breaks? WTF?
>
> Walk when you feel like it.
>
> Stop when you don't,
> or when you see something you want to look at,
> or when you get to water and want to refill you bottle and rinse off
> the trail dust.
> or want to make a meal
> or sleep.
>
> And it is zero days in towns that make a hike take too long, not time
> sitting by a high alpine lake enjoying the incredible beauty.
>
> All IMHO, HYOH, YMMV
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:25 PM, mark utzman <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > ? ?I understand the concept of HYOH, I am just trying to learn from
> > experienced thru-hikers how they do things. How often do you, on average,
> > take breaks from walking? Every hour, every two hours, etc. ?If I was to,
> > lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10 or 15 minute break, and do
> that
> > every 2 hours, is that reasonable? Or are you powerhiking 4-5 hours at a
> > stretch to get your miles in for the day? Yes, you guessed it, I'm an
> > inexperienced long distance backpacker, but as I have said, I WANT TO
> LEARN
> > FROM YOU. ?Taking frequent breaks is, I think, going to be an important
> > strategy for me to be able to pull this thru-hike off, unless taking too
> > many breaks will take TOO MUCH time to complete such a hike. I appreciate
> > any and all responses. Thank you, ?Mark
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:58:24 -0800
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: mark utzman <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 5 minutes off every hour is generally how I do it. It keeps my feet
> feeling fresh at the end of the day.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:25 PM, mark utzman <blackbelthiker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I understand the concept of HYOH, I am just trying to learn from
> > experienced thru-hikers how they do things. How often do you, on average,
> > take breaks from walking? Every hour, every two hours, etc. If I was to,
> > lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10 or 15 minute break, and do
> that
> > every 2 hours, is that reasonable? Or are you powerhiking 4-5 hours at a
> > stretch to get your miles in for the day? Yes, you guessed it, I'm an
> > inexperienced long distance backpacker, but as I have said, I WANT TO
> LEARN
> > FROM YOU. Taking frequent breaks is, I think, going to be an important
> > strategy for me to be able to pull this thru-hike off, unless taking too
> > many breaks will take TOO MUCH time to complete such a hike. I appreciate
> > any and all responses. Thank you, Mark
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:18:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> I took breaks regularly out of exhaustion in so cal.? Also in the Sierra
> as we were switching between climbing and descending with the ski gear.?
> But after that I was fairly well conditioned and I walked much of Norcal at
> 30 miles a?day without breaks except for a 30 minute lunch break.? It's
> amazing how many miles go by if you're not sitting on your ass. :)
> ?
> Charles Williams
>
> --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: "mark utzman" <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 4:58 PM
>
>
> 5 minutes off every hour is generally how I do it.? It keeps my feet
> feeling fresh at the end of the day.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:25 PM, mark utzman <blackbelthiker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> >? ? I understand the concept of HYOH, I am just trying to learn from
> > experienced thru-hikers how they do things. How often do you, on average,
> > take breaks from walking? Every hour, every two hours, etc.? If I was to,
> > lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10 or 15 minute break, and do
> that
> > every 2 hours, is that reasonable? Or are you powerhiking 4-5 hours at a
> > stretch to get your miles in for the day? Yes, you guessed it, I'm an
> > inexperienced long distance backpacker, but as I have said, I WANT TO
> LEARN
> > FROM YOU.? Taking frequent breaks is, I think, going to be an important
> > strategy for me to be able to pull this thru-hike off, unless taking too
> > many breaks will take TOO MUCH time to complete such a hike. I appreciate
> > any and all responses. Thank you,? Mark
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:23:43 -0800
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: "'mark utzman'" <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Mark wrote:
> >
> How often do you, on average, take breaks from walking? Every hour, every
> two hours, etc. If I was to, lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10 or
> 15 minute break, and do that every 2 hours, is that reasonable?
> >
>
> Different people prefer different strategies here. I'm not sure it's
> possible to call out a "normal" way of doing it, but some people like the
> discipline of a set pattern (one hour on, 5 minutes off, or maybe two hours
> on, 20 minutes off, etc.) while other people hate that and want to be able
> to stop and enjoy any interesting location they happen to come across. I
> guess the majority of folks fall somewhere in the middle.
>
> Be aware that as a newbie starting a long-distance hike, you'll want to
> take
> care of your body (especially your feet!) and that will probably require a
> slower pace and more frequent rest stops than you'd expect to have later in
> the hike. If at all possible, arrange your schedule so that you don't have
> a lot of pressure to make miles for the first week or two so you can find
> your own personal groove.
>
> My own personal style is that when I'm actually walking I can average about
> 3.5 miles per hour (3 if I'm tired, 4 if I'm motivated) but over the course
> of a day, including rests, photo ops, etc., I average just a little over 2
> mph. I don't stick to a rigid schedule during the day but pretty much all
> of my days work out that way in the end with a combination of my usual
> walking pace plus short stops to admire views, take pictures, get water,
> etc., plus long stops to eat meals, take naps, go swimming, or whatever.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:30:15 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On 1/24/2012 5:25 PM, mark utzman wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I understand the concept of HYOH, I am just trying to learn from
> > experienced thru-hikers how they do things. How often do you, on
> > average, take breaks from walking?
>
> Breaks were determine by four factors:
>
> 1) When I was tired and needed to take a break.
>
> 2) When there was shade.
>
> 3) When the water bottle I was drinking out of was empty, and I needed
> to switch it for a full bottle.
>
> 4) When I just wanted to enjoy the view.
>
>
> The length of breaks were determined by four factors:
>
> 1) When I was no longer tired, and wanted to continue walking.
>
> 2) When I had cooled off.
>
> 3) When I had switched water bottles.
>
> 4) When I had finished enjoying the view.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:36:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Yea, what he said...good answer.
> ?
> Charles Williams
>
> --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: "'mark utzman'" <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:23 PM
>
>
> Mark wrote:
> >
> How often do you, on average, take breaks from walking? Every hour, every
> two hours, etc.? If I was to, lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10 or
> 15 minute break, and do that every 2 hours, is that reasonable?
> >
>
> Different people prefer different strategies here.? I'm not sure it's
> possible to call out a "normal" way of doing it, but some people like the
> discipline of a set pattern (one hour on, 5 minutes off, or maybe two hours
> on, 20 minutes off, etc.) while other people hate that and want to be able
> to stop and enjoy any interesting location they happen to come across.? I
> guess the majority of folks fall somewhere in the middle.
>
> Be aware that as a newbie starting a long-distance hike, you'll want to
> take
> care of your body (especially your feet!) and that will probably require a
> slower pace and more frequent rest stops than you'd expect to have later in
> the hike.? If at all possible, arrange your schedule so that you don't have
> a lot of pressure to make miles for the first week or two so you can find
> your own personal groove.
>
> My own personal style is that when I'm actually walking I can average about
> 3.5 miles per hour (3 if I'm tired, 4 if I'm motivated) but over the course
> of a day, including rests, photo ops, etc., I average just a little over 2
> mph.? I don't stick to a rigid schedule during the day but pretty much all
> of my days work out that way in the end with a combination of my usual
> walking pace plus short stops to admire views, take pictures, get water,
> etc., plus long stops to eat meals, take naps, go swimming, or whatever.
>
> Eric
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:46:15 -0800
> From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] lightweight tent?
> To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I just saw this. A "tent" that folds up small enough for your pocket and
> self inflates with sunlight.
> I wonder how puncture proof it is.
>
>
> http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/design-architecture/basic-house-fits-in-your-pocket/3712?tag=nl.e660
>
> Ken
>
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:56:58 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike
> Suggestions
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Gosh, if the PCT through the Trininties was a letdown I can only
> imagine how wonderful the Trinities must actually be. Seeing as how
> that section through the Trinities/Marbles was one of my very
> favorite parts of the whole PCT.
>
> On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > If you want to be close to Eureka, hike the Trinities and the
> > Marbles, but
> > if you're going to hike the whole PCT next year, then I recommend
> > an actual
> > trip into the Trinities as the PCT only skirts what are fabulously
> > beautiful mountains when you really get into them. Get the maps and
> > circuit the whole range, but get into them. It's a beautiful
> > stretch of
> > the PCT, but frankly as I've been more deeply into them before, it
> > was a
> > big let down to me as you really only view them from a great
> > distance. But
> > this mountain range is not far from Eureka and getting off the PCT
> > is the
> > only way to really see it. Skirting the range on the PCT is almost
> > like
> > catching a glimpse of the High Sierra from the Owens Valley. It's
> > all very
> > pretty, but nothing like actually hiking the JMT through the heart of
> > them. Anyway, the Trinities are spectacular up close, and not
> > nearly so
> > from the PCT, and they're in your area. Get some maps. You can't
> > go wrong.
> >
> > Shroomer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:37:07 -1000
> From: Frank Gilliland <frankgilliland at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> More important to me is that i take breaks when I need them. I guess
> that's why I hike solo most of the time. I am 6' 2" but I hike somewhat
> slow. I guess you can say that I mozzy along. But I make up for my pace by
> hiking for longer periods and I also like to hike into late evening. I
> really like to hike with others, but I don't find very many people who want
> to hike at my pace. When I try to keep up with faster hikers I notice a
> marked fatigue level. So long story short, hike you own pace, hike till
> you need to rest, hike, rest, repeat..........
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:46:12 -0700
> From: Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> For us:
>
> SoCal breaks:
> *When we were tired
> *At 1 when it was just too hot to keep going until 4
>
> Sierra breaks:
> *When we were tired
> *When we were like, "holy @$&!, we have to do that next?"
> *At tops of passes
> *At lakes
>
> After Sierra schedule (this was our GROOVE):
> *start 6-7 am
> *walk til 10ish
> *30 min break
> *walk til lunch (between 12 and 1)
> *1-1.5 hour lunch break, nap optional
> *walk for at least 2 hours
> *15 minute break
> *walk at least 2 more hours
> *15 minute break
> *continue until 7-8 pm
> *eat, sleep, hangout, repeat
>
> Everybody has their own groove. Most people started earlier than us and
> stopped for their morning break before us, which was nice because we would
> run into people while they were breaking. Some people didn't take breaks at
> all, even when eating, they just walked slow so they could keep going all
> day. That worked for them, wouldn't work for me.
>
> A couple of tips:
> 1. Good things happen at roads.
> 2. Take your shoes off at breaks. Don't be lazy. Take care of your feet.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Yea, what he said...good answer.
> >
> > Charles Williams
> >
> > --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> > To: "'mark utzman'" <blackbelthiker at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:23 PM
> >
> >
> > Mark wrote:
> > >
> > How often do you, on average, take breaks from walking? Every hour, every
> > two hours, etc. If I was to, lets say, walk for 2 hours, then take a 10
> or
> > 15 minute break, and do that every 2 hours, is that reasonable?
> > >
> >
> > Different people prefer different strategies here. I'm not sure it's
> > possible to call out a "normal" way of doing it, but some people like the
> > discipline of a set pattern (one hour on, 5 minutes off, or maybe two
> hours
> > on, 20 minutes off, etc.) while other people hate that and want to be
> able
> > to stop and enjoy any interesting location they happen to come across. I
> > guess the majority of folks fall somewhere in the middle.
> >
> > Be aware that as a newbie starting a long-distance hike, you'll want to
> > take
> > care of your body (especially your feet!) and that will probably require
> a
> > slower pace and more frequent rest stops than you'd expect to have later
> in
> > the hike. If at all possible, arrange your schedule so that you don't
> have
> > a lot of pressure to make miles for the first week or two so you can find
> > your own personal groove.
> >
> > My own personal style is that when I'm actually walking I can average
> about
> > 3.5 miles per hour (3 if I'm tired, 4 if I'm motivated) but over the
> course
> > of a day, including rests, photo ops, etc., I average just a little over
> 2
> > mph. I don't stick to a rigid schedule during the day but pretty much
> all
> > of my days work out that way in the end with a combination of my usual
> > walking pace plus short stops to admire views, take pictures, get water,
> > etc., plus long stops to eat meals, take naps, go swimming, or whatever.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:56:32 -0800
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Phones and other issues
> To: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On my multi-day jaunts for the last several years I've carried my cell
> phone. I can turn it on and attempt to be in communication with the world
> or turn it off. I'm in control of the phone and my experience.
>
> Since I often hike solo the phone give me a little security in case of
> accident, etc. It is also handy to rendezvous with rides. And pay phone
> have almost disappeared so even in towns the phone comes in handy.
>
> It's hike your own hike and decide for yourself. My 2?
>
> Tortoise
>
> Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
> inevitable
> President John F Kennedy, 1962
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>
> On 2012.01.23 09:37, Jeffrey Olson wrote:
> > I started hiking by myself in the late 60s, and started doing longer
> > section hikes in the mid-70s. I both understand current rationales for
> > carrying a multi-use phone and for heading out sans communication
> > technology. To be honest, the last thing I want to do is be in contact
> > with loved ones or friends at home while I'm on the trail. The first
> > step on the trail is a step into a different world, which includes all
> > the risks and rewards this entails (I'm sure it helps being single and
> > having no children).
> >
> > A friend carried a cell phone on a trip this last summer and it was a
> > "presence." It was a hole in the fabric of my wilderness experience.
> > He didn't use it. It was just there.
> >
> > This is just an opinion and should be taken as such.
> >
> > Jeffrey Olson
> > Martin, SD
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:15:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike
> Suggestions
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> I agree 100% with Schroomer's take on the Trinity Alps.?Since I lived in
> Mendocino for decades, the Trinities and Marbles were fairly close
> mountains. My wife and I have both backpacked and ridden our horses over
> most of those wilderness areas for years. Our approach was usually?from the
> west or southwest. The most spectacular scenery is not that which the PCT
> traverses.
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Case <caserr at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
>
> If you want to be close to Eureka, hike the Trinities and the Marbles, but
> if you're going to hike the whole PCT next year, then I recommend an actual
> trip into the Trinities as the PCT only skirts what are fabulously
> beautiful mountains when you really get into them.? Get the maps and
> circuit the whole range, but get into them.? It's a beautiful stretch of
> the PCT, but frankly as I've been more deeply into them before, it was a
> big let down to me as you really only view them from a great distance.? But
> this mountain range is not far from Eureka and getting off the PCT is the
> only way to really see it.? Skirting the range on the PCT is almost like
> catching a glimpse of the High Sierra from the Owens Valley.? It's all very
> pretty, but nothing like actually hiking the JMT through the heart of
> them.? Anyway, the Trinities are spectacular up close, and not nearly so
> from the PCT, and they're in your area.? Get some maps.? You can't go
> wrong.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Case wrote:
> > >
> > My question is this, what sections of the PCT would you all recommend in
> > norCal/Oregon from early to late July? Ideally we'd like to cover
> > approximately 15 miles/day in the most scenic, contiguous section of
> trail
> > we can find. It would be cool to incorporate the Eagle Creek Trail (I
> think
> > that is the one where you hike under a waterfall?). Is the PCT "better"
> or
> > more interesting on one side of that trail than the other?
> > >
> >
> > Two weeks at 15 miles a day is 210 miles, minus probably two zero days
> > would
> > be 180 miles.? If you're really set on the Eagle Creek trail (which is
> very
> > nice!), I'd probably suggest going from Timberline Lodge on Mt Hood north
> > to
> > Highway 12 at White Pass in Washington.? That's about 196 miles, though,
> so
> > you might need an extra day for that.? That lets you see Mt. Hood, Eagle
> > Creek, and the Goat Rocks Wilderness which are three great highlights of
> > the
> > northern part of the trail.
> >
> > If you wanted to stay a little further south but still hit Eagle Creek
> you
> > could start at Elk Lake Resort in Oregon and go north to Cascade Locks.
> > That would also be just under 200 miles and would take you past the Three
> > Sisters, cool lava fields, Mt. Jefferson, Mt. Hood, and Eagle Creek.
> >
> > If you wanted to be even closer to your eventual destination in
> California,
> > you could go from Castella/Castle Crags at I5 in California up to either
> > Seiad Valley (157 miles) or to Ashland (214 miles).? If you wanted to
> land
> > closer to your 180 mile goal there are road access points in between
> Seiad
> > and Ashland.? That would take you through Castle Crags, the Trinity Alps
> > wilderness and lots of nice scenery north of there.
> >
> > Of course you can't go wrong with the John Muir Trail part of the PCT
> > either, if you don't mind being a ways south of your final destination.
> >
> > Loops of the length you're looking for are kind of hard to come by,
> though,
> > since the PCT is linear.? :-)? Folks on this list can give you advice on
> > public transportation or if you ask nicely sometimes there's someone on
> the
> > list who lives close by and will offer a ride.? Or hitchhiking works if
> you
> > roll that way.
> >
> > You could also walk southbound on any of those sections if that fits
> better
> > with your plans.
> >
> > Eric
> >
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:55:12 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rest Periods During A Thru-Hike
> To: Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT list <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> You'll find a rhythm for what you need. I hiked a bit slower than the
> younger folks I kept up with, but they took many more breaks than I
> needed. Usually I'd hike from 5:30am to noon and we'd all be at the same
> place and have lunch together. Then I'd hike until dinner and camp, or
> dinner and walk further and then camp. They'd usually beat me to the camp
> spot, but not always. If it was cold and rainy, I'd usually just walk at a
> moderate pace from morning to night eating lunch while walking. Your legs
> get stronger than you could ever believe, and you just don't need the rest
> as much as you think you do at this point. To start with, just stop when
> you're tired and you'll find those walking times in between getting longer
> and longer. Certainly if you hike hard, you'll need more rest than at my
> geezerly, easy pace. Even then, we knocked out some great mileage, day
> after day for months. It's really incredible. We are the walking animal!!
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:23:14 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike
> Suggestions
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Just to expand a bit more, if you've hiked the Trinity section of the PCT
> you only glimpsed the actual "alps" from a great distance, not even as
> close as you get to Rainier, another great mountain that you really don't
> get to experience on the PCT. But hiking into the Trinity Alps themselves
> is incredible. Don't think you've really seen them from the PCT, and
> anybody who loved that section, which I totally do, should take a week or
> two to explore them in detail. They are craggy and grand just like the
> High Sierra and WA Cascades, only a smaller mountain range in total. Like
> the Olympics in WA, it's one of the few places in America where you have
> tundra and Alpine habitat so close to an ocean.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:10:55 -0800
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> I've hiked the Trinity Alps since 1985, and it's my favorite local
> wilderness area. I'd hate to have only 2 weeks to try to explore it in
> detal, I probably won't live long enough to see it all! Here's a few
> links
> to good photo websites that I've found that show the beauty of the Trinity
> Alps. You can also see the Russians, and Marbles within these galleries,
> which the PCT passes through. Billy Goat told me his favorite PCT section
> is I-5 to Seiad Valley.
> http://www.summitpost.org/trinity-alps/307625
> http://kendecampphotography.com/
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/the_trinity_alps_wilderness
> ~~~
> Just to expand a bit more, if you've hiked the Trinity section of the PCT
> you only glimpsed the actual "alps" from a great distance, not even as
> close as you get to Rainier, another great mountain that you really don't
> get to experience on the PCT. But hiking into the Trinity Alps themselves
> is incredible. Don't think you've really seen them from the PCT, and
> anybody who loved that section, which I totally do, should take a week or
> two to explore them in detail. They are craggy and grand just like the
> High Sierra and WA Cascades, only a smaller mountain range in total. Like
> the Olympics in WA, it's one of the few places in America where you have
> tundra and Alpine habitat so close to an ocean.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:07:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike
> Suggestions
> To: Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1327507641.41566.YahooMailNeo at web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Gosh, Deems - your pictures bring back memories of great journeys I've had
> in the Trinities. Guess I will have to return. As Schroomer says,?you don't
> see that from the PCT. Your pictures are wonderful.
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> To: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:10 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
>
> I've hiked the Trinity Alps since 1985, and it's my favorite local
> wilderness area.? I'd hate to have only 2 weeks to try to explore it in
> detal,? I probably won't live long enough to see it all!? Here's a few
> links
> to good photo websites that I've found that show the beauty of the Trinity
> Alps. You can also see the Russians, and Marbles within these galleries,
> which the PCT passes through.? Billy Goat told me his favorite PCT section
> is I-5 to Seiad Valley.
> http://www.summitpost.org/trinity-alps/307625
> http://kendecampphotography.com/
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/the_trinity_alps_wilderness
> ~~~
> Just to expand a bit more, if you've hiked the Trinity section of the PCT
> you only glimpsed the actual "alps" from a great distance, not even as
> close as you get to Rainier, another great mountain that you really don't
> get to experience on the PCT.? But hiking into the Trinity Alps themselves
> is incredible.? Don't think you've really seen them from the PCT, and
> anybody who loved that section, which I totally do, should take a week or
> two to explore them in detail.? They are craggy and grand just like the
> High Sierra and WA Cascades, only a smaller mountain range in total.? Like
> the Olympics in WA, it's one of the few places in America where you have
> tundra and Alpine habitat so close to an ocean.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:22:09 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike
> Suggestions
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Deems
> <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Great Pictures and articles! Now that's the Trinities! And yes, you need
> much more than 2 weeks.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Gosh, Deems - your pictures bring back memories of great journeys I've
> had
> > in the Trinities. Guess I will have to return. As Schroomer says, you
> don't
> > see that from the PCT. Your pictures are wonderful.
> > MendoRider-Hiker
> >
> > *From:* Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> > *To:* pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:10 AM
> > *Subject:* [pct-l] Northern California/Oregon Section Hike Suggestions
> >
> > I've hiked the Trinity Alps since 1985, and it's my favorite local
> > wilderness area. I'd hate to have only 2 weeks to try to explore it in
> > detal, I probably won't live long enough to see it all! Here's a few
> > links
> > to good photo websites that I've found that show the beauty of the
> Trinity
> > Alps. You can also see the Russians, and Marbles within these galleries,
> > which the PCT passes through. Billy Goat told me his favorite PCT
> section
> > is I-5 to Seiad Valley.
> > http://www.summitpost.org/trinity-alps/307625
> > http://kendecampphotography.com/
> > http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/the_trinity_alps_wilderness
> > ~~~
> > Just to expand a bit more, if you've hiked the Trinity section of the PCT
> > you only glimpsed the actual "alps" from a great distance, not even as
> > close as you get to Rainier, another great mountain that you really don't
> > get to experience on the PCT. But hiking into the Trinity Alps
> themselves
> > is incredible. Don't think you've really seen them from the PCT, and
> > anybody who loved that section, which I totally do, should take a week or
> > two to explore them in detail. They are craggy and grand just like the
> > High Sierra and WA Cascades, only a smaller mountain range in total.
> Like
> > the Olympics in WA, it's one of the few places in America where you have
> > tundra and Alpine habitat so close to an ocean.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:45:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Sevenon7th at yahoo.com" <sevenon7th at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Early request for ride from San Diego Airport to
> Warner Springss
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Hello again friends....
>
> I am looking for transportation for 2 adults and backpacks from San Diego
> Airport
> on Saturday April 21st (flight arrives at 12:30 pm) to Warner Springs...
>
> Yes, it is time, once again, for the annual trek to the kick-off!!!!
>
> Wahooooo...
>
> Let me know if you can help or have any suggestions about arranging
> transportation.
>
> Thanks a million!
> Splash
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:51:19 -0800
> From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Early request for ride from San Diego Airport to
> Warner Springss
> To: "Sevenon7th at yahoo.com" <sevenon7th at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CAK1x7VmUy4KnKn3+B2pw_mRJ=WG1WuOR636A_JKxficFrNSU2g at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Nothing else on the KO website has been updated yet for 2012, but the Ride
> Board is up and running.
>
> http://adzpctko.org/rides.htm
>
> And let me repeat: Nothing else on the website has been updated.
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Sevenon7th at yahoo.com
> <sevenon7th at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > I am looking for transportation for 2 adults and backpacks from San Diego
> > Airport
> > on Saturday April 21st (flight arrives at 12:30 pm) to Warner Springs...
> >
> >
>
>
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