[pct-l] Another missing hiker found

Tue Oct 8 18:03:06 CDT 2013

I understand what your are expressing Andrea but.....

The Federal Government is shut down, many states are close to shutting down for being bankrupt and we have to deal with a few people who have no clue as to what they are getting into, and costing all of us hundreds of thousands of dollars and risking the lives of the SAR personnel, just to rescue their butt. 
This angers me with that attitude, which is no different than many of the people I had to deal with in my career who expected to be given a free ride to a hospital,  free medical service at the hospital and a free ride back home,because.,,

 "It is my right to have it provided to me". 

Something very is wrong. 

Terry

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On Oct 8, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com> wrote:

> I don't believe they should close the trail or access to any time. I do feel that if you chose to purposely walk into what is considered dangerous by those who rescue you..........Your choice ......you pay. Why expect  others to pay through the nose because you are on a mission. You could get up to Cascade Locks by mid August take a few Zeros and be at the Canadian border before the snow falls. The early snow usually surprises us with a two-three foot dump. Hit the Stevens Pass area early in September you got a great chance of finishing your hike in pretty good weather.
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> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Hi Andrea,
>> Good post.
>> I'm beginning to think that it could be time for the USFS and the SAR teams to close the " gate" on the late arriving hikers every year, just as they do to the hikers traveling north to finish the Appalachian at Mt. Katahdin , Maine every year.
>> As a 34 year career Fire Fighter who retired this past June, it's very tough on the budget at roughly $10,000 and up  a pop to find ignorant hikers in these smaller counties of any state that have no economic base to sustain their SAR teams, other than volunteer teams. Trust me, even with the vols, it is still very tough and please don't make it harder on them that it already is.
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>> Terry
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 8, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > I am in the same state of mind....but from my end of the Angeling it's how
>> > to protect the hikers when they insist on going into the deep snow in the
>> > North Cascades. Besides preparing them to stay warm, dry and fed we try and
>> > educate them on what they are walking into. It scares me enough after
>> > dealing with Ian Sarmento last year being out there 19 days between Stevens
>> > and Stehekin and watching his Mother and friends become so emotionally
>> > drained.....including me. Most of the hikers dink around coming up the
>> > trail and take too many Zeros and don't seem to feel the need to be up here
>> > by mid September at the border. It starts to rain most years by mid
>> > September. Low clouds, colder temps, snow in the higher elevations and by
>> > late September you are likely to get Arctic storms that come in and dump
>> > 2-3 feet of heavy wet snow. They go out into what SAR agencies consider
>> > hazardous weather conditions just because they have this personal need to
>> > finish. They don't consider they are putting the lives of the SAR folks on
>> > the line because their "needs and wants" are more important than anyone
>> > else. How would you feel if the husband, father son of someone died trying
>> > to rescue you from where you really shouldn't have been just because YOU
>> > had the right to be there. I've watched all the comments on the various
>> > Facebook pages of how no one has the right to stop you and if the rest of
>> > us don't like what you are doing then we can stuff it.
>> >
>> > HYOH......just don't ask anyone to risk their lives to come get your silly
>> > ass. Just HYOH on your own. My feeling....if you push that spot
>> > button.....YOU PAY FOR THE RESCUE.
>> >
>> > Andrea Dinsmore
>> > PCT MOM
>> > Skykomish/Baring Trail Angel
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM, shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I'm going to keep it short and put in my 2 cents:
>> >>
>> >> I think the PCT community needs to do a self evaluation in regards to what
>> >> responsibility
>> >> they hold in making sure they do not need rescue.  There seams to be so
>> >> many more rescue
>> >> missions for PCT hikers than your week-end hikers.  A SAR event should be
>> >> very rare, mostly occurring
>> >> following injury.  I love to get the
>> >> details whenever I hear of another "hiker being rescued" story, and
>> >> the majority of them are situations where the hikers should have been able
>> >> to take
>> >> care of themselves.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Monday, October 7, 2013 12:15 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> for those wondering who Kristopher Zitzewitz, is, he is a spelunker
>> >>> who went missing in  Gifford Pinchot National Forest near Cook, Wash.
>> >>> while looking for caves.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> I was thinking the same thing. He is not a missing PCT hiker, he and a
>> >> friend were in some lava beds looking for caves. I fear he may have found a
>> >> good one.
>> >>
>> >> Dan Jacobs
>> >> Vancouver, but soon to be in Washougal, WA, again (when will this end?)
>> >> --
>> >> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
>> >> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
>> >> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
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