[pct-l] Re; Ursack, a step closer
Lisa Shik
lisashik at yahoo.com
Sun Apr 20 18:31:01 CDT 2014
I slept with my food in the Grand Canyon since there are no bears. I woke up with mice running over my face. They had chewed a hole through the tent and into my food bag. Now I use an ursack and its mouse proof. My husband hung a plain stuff sack in a tree in the Grand Canyon and mice managed to chew through the bag. I love my Ursack. Regarding mothball use, they are carcinogenic, so not worth it.
Lisa
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> 1. Re: Heads Up... Hiker Scum (Nikki Eddy)
> 2. Re: Section Hike transportation advice (Luce Cruz)
> 3. water filtration with the Sawyer Mini (Wolfgang Greystoke)
> 4. Re: Inflammatory mountain lion warning (Drew Smith)
> 5. Re: Inflammatory mountain lion warning (Bill Frenette)
> 6. Re: Inflammatory mountain lion warning (Fritz Ward)
> 7. Ursack S29 a step closer.. (Matthew Edwards)
> 8. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer.. (Gail Van Velzer)
> 9. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer.. (Jackie McDonnell)
> 10. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer.. (Gail Van Velzer)
> 11. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer.. (Jackie McDonnell)
> 12. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer... (Matthew Edwards)
> 13. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer... (Gail Van Velzer)
> 14. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer... (Bob Bankhead)
> 15. Re: at & t mobile cards (Betty Wheeler)
> 16. Re: Water filtration question (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 17. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer... (Gail Van Velzer)
> 18. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer... (Jackie McDonnell)
> 19. Re: Ursack S29 a step closer... (Luce Cruz)
> 20. Travel to Seied Valley. (Bob Liseno)
> 21. San Jacinto aerial photo (Weathercarrot -)
> 22. Re: San Jacinto aerial photo (Scott Williams)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:03:56 -0700
>From: Nikki Eddy <nikkieddy at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Heads Up... Hiker Scum
>To: Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>
>Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>I heard they may have been on the grassy knoll that one day in November...
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 19, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Meander says they are probably the ones that left a hoodie along the trail
>> and boots at Barrel Spring, then stole shoes at Warner Springs.
>>> On Apr 19, 2014 7:42 AM, "Joe Roth" <jroth2353 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They were kicked out of trail angel of Mikes, milepost (143) by Kushy and
>>> Tom, thank you men. Also the waitress at Paradise Cafe knew that this
>>> bunch were headed there way. Good and bad news travels fast on the trail.
>>> Happy trails, Hotel
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014, Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the one who didn't give up his name deserves a new trail name:
>>>> D*****bag
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com<javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the one who didn't give up his name deserves a new trail name:
>>>>> D*****bag
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Ryan Allouche <ryanallouche at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mayor Trevor hey man. You absolutely did the right thing and we are
>>>> proud
>>>>>> of you for standing up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is Rhino, we had just met near the top of San Jacinto just
>>> earlier
>>>>>> today lol. I had the ula pack as well. I just completed my cactus to
>>>> clouds
>>>>>> to cactus hike. That was brutal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wanted to give a shout out man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't let that bother you anymore. It's going to be an awesome
>>>> adventure.
>>>>>> Maybe I'll see ya in a few months!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Rhino
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone by Ryan Allouche
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Carol <museumgirl at me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a future PCT hiker, I say, THANK YOU, Trevor, for watching out
>>> for
>>>>>> all of us. You did exactly as you should have done. I hope word gets
>>>> around
>>>>>> and those guys realize that their behavior is unacceptable. Freedom
>>> does
>>>>>> not mean license.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Daniel Zellman <
>>> danielzellman at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a sad and at the same time inspiring story.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sad that the world is full of aggressive, angry idiots -- not just
>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> trail, but anywhere. Of course, the more popular and crowded the
>>>> trail
>>>>>>>> becomes, the more the personalities will reflect the larger
>>> society.
>>>>>>>> Hopefully, there is some small karmic action that moves in the
>>> other
>>>>>>>> direction as well ... that the ideas and ideals of tolerance and
>>>>>> presence
>>>>>>>> and compassion embodied in the works of folks like John Muir and
>>>> Henry
>>>>>>>> Thoreau, are instilled and nurtured and strengthened by being in
>>> the
>>>>>>>> wilderness, and that some of that returns with us from the trail
>>> back
>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> the world. One can only hope, I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Inspiring, because of your courageous and honorable behavior. Doing
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> right thing -- especially when doing so puts one at physical or
>>>> psychic
>>>>>>>> risk -- is often not an easy choice. Much easier to just turn one's
>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>> and walk away. But if we all just turn away, when there are real
>>>>>>>> consequences, then we are failing in our responsibility -- not only
>>>> to
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> another, but equally, to ourselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, I say ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Three Cheers for Trevor!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -dz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Trevor McKee <
>>>> trevormckee85 at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was in Warner Springs yesterday waiting for a ride past a
>>> section
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> hiked in March enjoying the Community Center and a short rest. I
>>>>>> headed
>>>>>>>>> into the bathrooms to find a couple guys washing their hair in the
>>>>>> sink.
>>>>>>>>> There was soapy brown water splashed all over the sinks and
>>> floors,
>>>>>> wet
>>>>>>>>> long hair everywhere, and an overall mess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It made me upset... for a couple reasons. The people who run the
>>>>>> Community
>>>>>>>>> Center are awesome and don't deserve to deal with cleaning up
>>> their
>>>>>> mess.
>>>>>>>>> They offer $8 showers there, and if you can't afford it there's a
>>>> nice
>>>>>>>>> creek a mile away, or a water spigot outside in the grass. But
>>>> mainly
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> bothered me because the way they were abusing that community space
>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> directly affect those behind them. Warner Springs may chose to
>>> close
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> bathrooms tomorrow... do you see what I'm saying?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So at the sink as I was washing my hands and decided to speak up.
>>> I
>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>> them if washing their
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:58:31 -0700
>From: Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Hike transportation advice
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>On Apr 19, 2014 9:23 AM, "walt Durling" <durlfam4 at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>That's a good plan. Let us know how that works out for you.
>
>Luce Cruz
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:00:17 -0400
>From: "Wolfgang Greystoke" <wolfgangg at email.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] water filtration with the Sawyer Mini
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20140419190017.97410 at gmx.com>
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>John, on water filtration with the Sawyer Mini,
>
>I am not sure why you think the Platypus blatters are stronger then the Camelbak bladder.? I have had my 3L Camelbak for about 10 years and it still works great.? I do think it it heaver then the new Platypus models though.?
>
>I have not tried the zip closures so those might be easier then the screw cap ones, but the large opening on the Camelbak is fairly easy to fill with water.? If needed you could use your cook pot or a cut nown water bottle to fill with.? But again the large opening is easier to work with then the small cap size opening.
>
>I am currently using my 3L bag as the dirty bag, I have set up the mini in-line to the mouth piece and just drink from it, clean water on demand.? This allows me to fill up and quickly be back on the trail, no need to wait for the water to filter.? If I am going to need more then 3L to the next water source I would fill some additional smart water bottles with filtered water and then refill the bladder and head out.? I normally only carry one of these, but they fit great in side pockets and back mesh pockets so you could really add as much as needed.?
>
>One other thing, I carry the hydration bladder in the outside back (or Front) mesh pocket, I know this puts the weight away from your back, but it's much easier to get in and out, and I don't worry about it leaking inside my back.?? Which I have had nappen on a smaller off brand before.
>
>
>Wolfman
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>From: John Herrin <johndavidherrin at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Water filtration question
>
>I am in the process of switching over from my Pur Hiker water filter/pump
>to a Sawyer squeeze system and replacing my Camelbak bladders with Platypus
>bladders. I am guessing the Platypus bladders are stronger than the
>Camelbaks as it seems everyone on this site refers to them.
>
>I have a couple of questions. First, I remember reading that quite a few
>people had the Sawyer bags fail. Have they remedied this problem? If not,
>what soft bags/bladder do most people use? Evernew? Platypus bladders?
>Platypus Big Zip bladders?
>
>Also, with my Pur filter and Camelbak bladders I used their quick-connect
>system that allowed me to pump directly into the bladder using it's
>hose/tube. I see Platypus offers a very similar quick-connect system.
>Anyone have experience with this system?
>Will I be able to do this with the Sawyer mini?
>
>One last question. With my old pump water system I was able to pump water
>out of very shallow streams. I am guessing that filling up my "dirty" water
>bag will require a deeper water source. Or do some folks use a scoop? Is it
>easier to collect water using the big zip platypus bladders rather than a
>soft bag with a regular screw on cap?
>
>Just trying to figure this out.
>
>Thanks,
>John Herrin
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:07:12 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Drew Smith" <jdrewsmith at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Inflammatory mountain lion warning
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <1397941631808.1bec551f at Nodemailer>
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>I saw this too. It's complete nonsense. I'll make just 2 points?
>
>1. No predator can go from 500 to 5000 while its primary prey goes from 20000 to 4000 or whatever made up number be used. There aren't nearly enough missing poodles and teenagers to make up the difference.?
>
>
>2. A gun is of no use in protecting yourself from mountain lions. They are ambush hunters, and if they do attack you will not have time to draw.?
>
>
>That said, I did see lion tracks in Mission canyon miles 226-230 on 4/11. Also, some pretty big bear tracks along Holcolm Creek, miles 290 -292 4/16.?
>
>
>Happy Hour
>?
>Sent from Mailbox for iPhone
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:36:42 -0700
>From: "Bill Frenette" <groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Inflammatory mountain lion warning
>To: "'Drew Smith'" <jdrewsmith at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000201cf5c17$74f8f670$5eeae350$@net>
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>"How's Your Trail?" I heard from a reliable source that this guy was let go from Calif. Fish & Wildlife and he has been mad ever since. I should have taken the poster down. I hope someone does. I'd hate to think of everybody packing heat. Remember "Be Prepared" Ground Pounder Bill "Semper Fi"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Drew Smith
>Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 2:07 PM
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Inflammatory mountain lion warning
>
>I saw this too. It's complete nonsense. I'll make just 2 points
>
>1. No predator can go from 500 to 5000 while its primary prey goes from 20000 to 4000 or whatever made up number be used. There aren't nearly enough missing poodles and teenagers to make up the difference.
>
>
>2. A gun is of no use in protecting yourself from mountain lions. They are ambush hunters, and if they do attack you will not have time to draw.
>
>
>That said, I did see lion tracks in Mission canyon miles 226-230 on 4/11. Also, some pretty big bear tracks along Holcolm Creek, miles 290 -292 4/16.
>
>
>Happy Hour
>?
>Sent from Mailbox for iPhone
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:59:25 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Fritz Ward <fritz7ntd at aol.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Inflammatory mountain lion warning
>To: jdrewsmith at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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>Re point 1: The poster was slightly misleading. The increase in mountain lion population was for the state of California. The decrease in deer population was for the San Bernardino National Forest. This explains the discrepancy you note, but as a math teacher, I find this sort of misuse of statistics found on the note frustrating.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Drew Smith <jdrewsmith at gmail.com>
>To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 2:07 pm
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Inflammatory mountain lion warning
>
>
>I saw this too. It's complete nonsense. I'll make just 2 points
>
>1. No predator can go from 500 to 5000 while its primary prey goes from 20000 to
>4000 or whatever made up number be used. There aren't nearly enough missing
>poodles and teenagers to make up the difference.
>
>
>2. A gun is of no use in protecting yourself from mountain lions. They are
>ambush hunters, and if they do attack you will not have time to draw.
>
>
>That said, I did see lion tracks in Mission canyon miles 226-230 on 4/11. Also,
>some pretty big bear tracks along Holcolm Creek, miles 290 -292 4/16.
>
>
>Happy Hour
>?
>Sent from Mailbox for iPhone
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:07:48 -0700
>From: Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>Just found this on their website: http://www.ursack.com/ursack-update.htm
>
>The Ursack passed the IGBC test.
>This could mean an 8 ounce Ursack will be accepted in Yosemite and Seki.
>
>:)
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:36:52 -0700
>From: "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>To: "Matthew Edwards" <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <EED900AB9D5D4E239808F0039594E51E at gail>
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>This is wonderful news. I've been looking at the Ursack data and believe
>it's worthy of it's calling.
>Gail
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matthew Edwards" <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:07 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>
>
>> Just found this on their website: http://www.ursack.com/ursack-update.htm
>>
>> The Ursack passed the IGBC test.
>> This could mean an 8 ounce Ursack will be accepted in Yosemite and Seki.
>>
>> :)
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:40:27 -0500
>From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>To: Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
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>Tying your food to a tree??? That's ridiculous. You' re just asking for
>your food to get taken.
>
>Use a bear canister in canister-required areas, and sleep with it in other
>areas.
>
>Yogi
>www.yogisbooks.com
>On Apr 19, 2014 7:37 PM, "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> This is wonderful news. I've been looking at the Ursack data and believe
>> it's worthy of it's calling.
>> Gail
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matthew Edwards" <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:07 PM
>> Subject: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>>
>>
>> > Just found this on their website:
>> http://www.ursack.com/ursack-update.htm
>> >
>> > The Ursack passed the IGBC test.
>> > This could mean an 8 ounce Ursack will be accepted in Yosemite and Seki.
>> >
>> > :)
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>Message: 10
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:42:58 -0700
>From: "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>To: "Jackie McDonnell" <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
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>One thing I do is hang my food (bear style) and put mothballs with it. It's never been disturbed by anything...not a bear, or any other critter. I have even hung my horse feed this way and still it's not touched. I've done this on the AT as well.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jackie McDonnell
> To: Gail Van Velzer
> Cc: Matthew Edwards ; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>
>
> Tying your food to a tree??? That's ridiculous. You' re just asking for your food to get taken.
>
> Use a bear canister in canister-required areas, and sleep with it in other areas.
>
> Yogi
> www.yogisbooks.com
>
> On Apr 19, 2014 7:37 PM, "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net> wrote:
>
> This is wonderful news. I've been looking at the Ursack data and believe
> it's worthy of it's calling.
> Gail
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Edwards" <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:07 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>
>
> > Just found this on their website: http://www.ursack.com/ursack-update.htm
> >
> > The Ursack passed the IGBC test.
> > This could mean an 8 ounce Ursack will be accepted in Yosemite and Seki.
> >
> > :)
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>Message: 11
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:45:44 -0500
>From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>I sleep with my food and it never gets touched.............except by me at
>2am when I wake up hungry.
>
>Yogi
>www.yogisbooks.com
>
>
>On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net>wrote:
>
>> One thing I do is hang my food (bear style) and put mothballs with it.
>> It's never been disturbed by anything...not a bear, or any other critter.
>> I have even hung my horse feed this way and still it's not touched. I've
>> done this on the AT as well.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net>
>> *Cc:* Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com> ; pct-l at backcountry.net
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:40 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>>
>> Tying your food to a tree??? That's ridiculous. You' re just asking for
>> your food to get taken.
>>
>> Use a bear canister in canister-required areas, and sleep with it in other
>> areas.
>>
>> Yogi
>> www.yogisbooks.com
>> On Apr 19, 2014 7:37 PM, "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> This is wonderful news. I've been looking at the Ursack data and believe
>>> it's worthy of it's calling.
>>> Gail
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Matthew Edwards" <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
>>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:07 PM
>>> Subject: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer..
>>>
>>>
>>> > Just found this on their website:
>>> http://www.ursack.com/ursack-update.htm
>>> >
>>> > The Ursack passed the IGBC test.
>>> > This could mean an 8 ounce Ursack will be accepted in Yosemite and Seki.
>>> >
>>> > :)
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>Message: 12
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 18:44:14 -0700
>From: Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <CACOP0JwgeenHM=--snrXiGUzvg+Rzy1hG+OzBomWHeFJ6__i-A at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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>Might not be for everyone.
>I have a BV 500 and an Ursack S29.
>The advantage for comfort in the pack goes to the Ursack by far.
>
>Might be handy for hikers that find carrying barrel between the shoulder
>blades painful.
>
>It is what it is.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 18:53:49 -0700
>From: "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>To: "Matthew Edwards" <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <1A26632F0E524188AF83F4E0068970B8 at gail>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>It won't even fit in our horse saddle bags and other pack bags. The ursak
>will fit much nicer. We have to tie the canister on, which means it could
>fall off; I can't wait for the Ursack to be approved.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matthew Edwards" <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>
>
>> Might not be for everyone.
>> I have a BV 500 and an Ursack S29.
>> The advantage for comfort in the pack goes to the Ursack by far.
>>
>> Might be handy for hikers that find carrying barrel between the shoulder
>> blades painful.
>>
>> It is what it is.
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>
>Message: 14
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:05:23 -0700
>From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000301cf5c3c$fd8356f0$f88a04d0$@comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Try placing your sleeping pad between your bear can and your back. Works
>wonders for carrying comfort, and I use a Bearikade Expedition. I gave away
>my Ursack years ago.
>
>Ursacks are more comfortable and are easier to position within your pack
>because they are soft-sided and flexible and can be mostly re-shaped as
>needed. Bear cans are rigid and close more easily and securely; what you
>have is what you get.
>
>Hard-sided bear cans make great camp seats and/or tables and provide far
>better physical protection to their contents. Ursacks' flexibility means
>their contents can be more easily crushed by bears, or by your own weight if
>used for pillows or sit-upons.
>
>In the end, you pay your money and take your choice (and your chances).
>
>
>And then there's the issue of what's deemed acceptable by the powers that
>be..............
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Edwards
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>
>Might not be for everyone.
>I have a BV 500 and an Ursack S29.
>The advantage for comfort in the pack goes to the Ursack by far.
>
>Might be handy for hikers that find carrying barrel between the shoulder
>blades painful.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 15
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:21:55 -0700
>From: Betty Wheeler <bettywheeler at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] at & t mobile cards
>To: pct list serve <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Adrian Santos
> <santos666091525 at hotmail.com>
>Message-ID:
> <CANSj41eXinigu=euaWsKwbmd5=eFP-b2o2GDC7XXJ4_7n-x+dA at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>Here's an update from the hiker who is using the H20 prepaid plan I posted
>about earlier:
>
>"It's been working fine so far. Coverage is patchy at times, but that's
>perfectly understandable. I haven't had to reload credit so far, but
>assuming I can do that without much trouble, I'll be pleased with it. I'd
>recommend it so far. I did have to reset some of the settings on the phone
>to get it work properly."
>
>
>He's at Mile 320 and started on April 3, so he has a little more than 2
>weeks' experience with this phone service.
>
>The Best Buy he visited in San Diego, not far from Scout and Frodo's, is
>located at 8657 Villa La Jolla Dr. Suite #113, across the road from the
>Whole Foods and on the east side of the center that has a Trader Joe's and
>a Ralph's Supermarket on the west side.
>
>--Betty
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 16
>Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 11:28:16 +0900
>From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water filtration question
>To: John Herrin <johndavidherrin at gmail.com>
>Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <CAMCqdRsuMjvtDq5wk24AjzywY9nUBkfsrAuZ7WXCh1nO4JtgTA at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>Dear John
>
>This topic was already widely discussed. Now, I am using 2 two litter
>Platypus for dirty water, 4 one litter Platypus for clean water, and
>connected with the tubes.
>
>https://sites.google.com/site/completewalkerequipment/home/5-water-treatment
>
>https://sites.google.com/site/completewalkerequipment/home/5-water-treatment/sawyer-squeeze-system
>
>
>I don't think Platypus is the strongest pack. But it is very easy to see
>where the damage accumulated. In other words, I am intended to use as a
>fault tolerant system with using plural packs. If the probability of
>leakage in a month was 0.01. If two packs were used, the probability of
>leakage of the both packs was 0.01 X 0.01 = 0.001. I usually change the
>old to the new, when it became dirty.
>
>When I need water in a very small puddle, I use my coffee cup ( the
>cleaning is necessary when it was used in very dirty water) .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>2014-04-19 8:59 GMT+09:00 John Herrin <johndavidherrin at gmail.com>:
>
>> I am in the process of switching over from my Pur Hiker water filter/pump
>> to a Sawyer squeeze system and replacing my Camelbak bladders with Platypus
>> bladders. I am guessing the Platypus bladders are stronger than the
>> Camelbaks as it seems everyone on this site refers to them.
>>
>> I have a couple of questions. First, I remember reading that quite a few
>> people had the Sawyer bags fail. Have they remedied this problem? If not,
>> what soft bags/bladder do most people use? Evernew? Platypus bladders?
>> Platypus Big Zip bladders?
>>
>> Also, with my Pur filter and Camelbak bladders I used their quick-connect
>> system that allowed me to pump directly into the bladder using it's
>> hose/tube. I see Platypus offers a very similar quick-connect system.
>> Anyone have experience with this system?
>> Will I be able to do this with the Sawyer mini?
>>
>> One last question. With my old pump water system I was able to pump water
>> out of very shallow streams. I am guessing that filling up my "dirty" water
>> bag will require a deeper water source. Or do some folks use a scoop? Is it
>> easier to collect water using the big zip platypus bladders rather than a
>> soft bag with a regular screw on cap?
>>
>> Just trying to figure this out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John Herrin
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>
>
>--
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>--------------- --------------------------------------
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>
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>
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>
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>
>Message: 17
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:57:19 -0700
>From: "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>To: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <4CA609B9FAC84E66B6C41E3134896B9E at gail>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>It is true that everything in the Ursak can be crushed. It's also true that
>the bear canister can be used as a seat or table. But, the Ursak still
>packs easier and is lighter. There's got to be a way to hang it and
>confound the bears! They can't be that smart, can they?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>
>
>> Try placing your sleeping pad between your bear can and your back. Works
>> wonders for carrying comfort, and I use a Bearikade Expedition. I gave
>> away
>> my Ursack years ago.
>>
>> Ursacks are more comfortable and are easier to position within your pack
>> because they are soft-sided and flexible and can be mostly re-shaped as
>> needed. Bear cans are rigid and close more easily and securely; what you
>> have is what you get.
>>
>> Hard-sided bear cans make great camp seats and/or tables and provide far
>> better physical protection to their contents. Ursacks' flexibility means
>> their contents can be more easily crushed by bears, or by your own weight
>> if
>> used for pillows or sit-upons.
>>
>> In the end, you pay your money and take your choice (and your chances).
>>
>>
>> And then there's the issue of what's deemed acceptable by the powers that
>> be..............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matthew Edwards
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>>
>> Might not be for everyone.
>> I have a BV 500 and an Ursack S29.
>> The advantage for comfort in the pack goes to the Ursack by far.
>>
>> Might be handy for hikers that find carrying barrel between the shoulder
>> blades painful.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 18
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:00:37 -0500
>From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <CACK6q3GLGTKRAa9KTPCG8zE_+tcu7fg9B6Y8v8uws7Hcr62Qzg at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>The bears are EXACTLY that smart. Smarter, actually.
>
>Save your food. Save the bears. Use a bear canister.
>
>Yogi
>www.yogisbooks.com
>
>
>On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net>wrote:
>
>> It is true that everything in the Ursak can be crushed. It's also true
>> that
>> the bear canister can be used as a seat or table. But, the Ursak still
>> packs easier and is lighter. There's got to be a way to hang it and
>> confound the bears! They can't be that smart, can they?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>>
>>
>> > Try placing your sleeping pad between your bear can and your back. Works
>> > wonders for carrying comfort, and I use a Bearikade Expedition. I gave
>> > away
>> > my Ursack years ago.
>> >
>> > Ursacks are more comfortable and are easier to position within your pack
>> > because they are soft-sided and flexible and can be mostly re-shaped as
>> > needed. Bear cans are rigid and close more easily and securely; what you
>> > have is what you get.
>> >
>> > Hard-sided bear cans make great camp seats and/or tables and provide far
>> > better physical protection to their contents. Ursacks' flexibility means
>> > their contents can be more easily crushed by bears, or by your own weight
>> > if
>> > used for pillows or sit-upons.
>> >
>> > In the end, you pay your money and take your choice (and your chances).
>> >
>> >
>> > And then there's the issue of what's deemed acceptable by the powers that
>> > be..............
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Matthew Edwards
>> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>> >
>> > Might not be for everyone.
>> > I have a BV 500 and an Ursack S29.
>> > The advantage for comfort in the pack goes to the Ursack by far.
>> >
>> > Might be handy for hikers that find carrying barrel between the shoulder
>> > blades painful.
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>
>Message: 19
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 21:10:01 -0700
>From: Luce Cruz <lucecruz13 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ursack S29 a step closer...
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <CAPdO7FxExhVcDhsr4364N7crgh-rJX6kKhtLEfOnOXA6afur6w at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>On Apr 19, 2014 8:57 PM, "Gail Van Velzer" <vanvelzer at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> It is true that everything in the Ursak can be crushed. It's also true
>that
>> the bear canister can be used as a seat or table. But, the Ursak still
>> packs easier and is lighter. There's got to be a way to hang it and
>> confound the bears! They can't be that smart, can they?
>
>There's a video on YouTube of a bear hanging from a food bag hang line up
>about 8-10 feet off the ground and sliding over towards the food bag. In
>the video, the bear drops of before it gets the food bag, but this is just
>one instance. It might not take long before many or even most are trying
>this.
>
>Let's say the rope breaks when the bruin tries to slide over to the food
>bag. You now very likely have crushed food, congratulations! If the rope
>doesn't break, the bear might still get the bag in its mouth. You now will
>have crushed food, congratulations!
>
>I won't even talk about trying to get your food back from a bear that can
>smell and taste food, but isn't ingesting any of it through the bag, or the
>bear slobber.
>
>In my opinion, worth less than you could ever pay for it, the best
>protection for your food, and the bear, is a bear resistant canister or on
>site metal food locker. Using anything else is a riskier choice, for your
>food and the bear. Personally, I'll choose a can, and maybe save a life.
>
>Luce Cruz
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 20
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:04:45 -0400
>From: "Bob Liseno" <liseno74 at roadrunner.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Travel to Seied Valley.
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000a01cf5be0$b3831d30$1a895790$@roadrunner.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>My wife and I are trying to get to Seied Valley to finish the PCT. Does
>anyone have a suggestion on how to get there from Medford, OR?
>
>
>
>Barkeater and Eileen
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 21
>Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 10:00:17 -0400
>From: Weathercarrot - <weathercarrot at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto aerial photo
>To: PCT List <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <BAY168-W46936A74C23A243F00CFBAE5F0 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I just posted a gallery of some of my aerial photos from an eastbound flight out of LA last December 24th. The first shot is of the San Jacinto range (and beyond) with the highest elevations being notably snow-free. All the shots in the gallery were taken within a 75 minute period, and they appear chronologically eastward to somewhere near the AZ/NM line. Full screen suggested.
>http://weathercarrot.smugmug.com/Weathercarrot-photos/Southwest-Aerials/
>I've also done a complete redesign of my photo site - easier to navigate and find things. There's some new stuff on there since the last time I mentioned it on pct-l, including Max Patch on the AT. The front page is intended to be stared at for a while.
>http://weathercarrot.smugmug.com/
>Enjoy,
>wc
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 22
>Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 08:06:15 -0700
>From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Jacinto aerial photo
>To: Weathercarrot - <weathercarrot at hotmail.com>
>Cc: PCT List <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <CAGxcj12n2ZskDQdGt2CwFCqUE2qp3CgUKNBNAtAy78C1kieR-g at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>Absolutely stunning Weathercarrot. I hadn't paid it a visit in some time,
>but the front page is incredible. From the SoCal beach dunes to the PCT
>and then the icy, windblown heights of Max Patch, this is some good work.
> The aerial shots are a beautiful addition. Nice job.
>
>Shroomer
>
>
>On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Weathercarrot -
><weathercarrot at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I just posted a gallery of some of my aerial photos from an eastbound
>> flight out of LA last December 24th. The first shot is of the San Jacinto
>> range (and beyond) with the highest elevations being notably snow-free.
>> All the shots in the gallery were taken within a 75 minute period, and
>> they appear chronologically eastward to somewhere near the AZ/NM line.
>> Full screen suggested.
>> http://weathercarrot.smugmug.com/Weathercarrot-photos/Southwest-Aerials/
>> I've also done a complete redesign of my photo site - easier to navigate
>> and find things. There's some new stuff on there since the last time I
>> mentioned it on pct-l, including Max Patch on the AT. The front page is
>> intended to be stared at for a while.
>> http://weathercarrot.smugmug.com/
>> Enjoy,
>> wc
>>
>>
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