[Cdt-l] NM Wolf/cdts Gps points

Dan Bedore mr_dan_bedore at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 14 14:31:38 CST 2013

In 2011 I walked the Wolf/CDTS route across New Mexico and took GPS waypoints. These were not taken from maps but were taken at various landmarks along the way. The accuracy was usually estimated by the gps at less than 15 feet. You van find my points at:

I used the Wolf/CDTS Book and the Ley maps. I found them adequate and rarely used the Gps to navigate. 

Dan Bedore

On Feb 14, 2013, at 11:11 AM, "Andy James" <longhiker.pct at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would have preferred a little less adventure.  
> When I hiked NM I used Ley Maps, Wolf Guide, compass, and a gps with some
> waypoints I made using Topo!  Got off-track regularly, despite having
> considerable experience with map and compass.  The PCT is much easier to
> follow.  First of all, the Wolf Guide is very confusing for a NOBO hike. My
> Topo! Waypoints were for the most part worthless - hundreds, even thousands
> of feet off in places. Apparently the trail has been moved around quite a
> bit in lots of places so picking waypoints with a mouse doesn't work so
> well. Easy to walk past turns and intersections because the trail often
> doesn't match the map. 
> For the rest of the trail I used a combination of Bearcreek and Ley Maps,
> and a gps with downloaded BC waypoints.  I used the BC maps most of the time
> and the Ley maps when I left the main route. That is an unbeatable setup,
> and made the hike much more enjoyable. I really got my daily miles up doing
> it that way. 
> I agree that the Ley compass rose is pretty cool. It is a necessity since
> the maps are irregularly shaped so the conventional method of orienting
> using an edge doesn't always work. The BC maps have straight edges so you
> can set the declination in a compass and use grid lines to orient with, and
> the UTM grid setup is awesome.     
> As far as markers go, the main trail is really not marked very consistently
> and the alternates aren't at all.  I found some places in MT where the wrong
> trail was marked. Apparently they moved it but didn't take down the old
> route so everyone going NOBO was following a different trail than people
> going South. More marking is something that trail could use. 
> I thought the CC start was enjoyable but had a hard time in places because a
> lot of the marker posts were knocked down. Following a gps with waypoints
> would have been better than all the wandering around I did getting through
> there.    
> AJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:44 PM
> To: Peter Sustr
> Cc: <Cdt-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Trail Markers in the CDTS Route?
> The Ley maps are mostly in sync with the Wolf guide on the Columbus route,
> though the Ley maps offer some interesting and creative alternates. Take the
> Wolf guide AND the Ley maps. Learn how navigate using gps and the inverted
> compass rose on the Ley maps.  Takes half a day. It's fun and makes New
> Mexico more of an adventure than just following waypoints. -Ron
> On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Peter Sustr <petersustr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just to confirm some things I've heard is that the Columbus route matches
> the Ley maps which use some or most of the wolf guides data? Any
> clarification between those two would be appreciated. 
>> Peter 
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