[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 87, Issue 4
Rich Brown
rkb1818 at hotmail.com
Tue Dec 16 12:27:53 CST 2014
Carole -
Can we CDT hikers chip in ($5, $10, $15 (?)) to help with the fine and lawyer,if you decide to get one?
Rich BrownNM CDT, 2011
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> 1. Re: lost another water cache in Grants (Bob Sartini)
> 2. Re: lost another water cache in Grants (Melanie Simmerman)
> 3. Re: Carole Mumm's citation (Trekker4 at aol.com)
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> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:51:43 -0500
> From: Bob Sartini <bobsartini at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] lost another water cache in Grants
> To: johnpaton245 at fsmail.net
> Cc: cdt-l at backcountry.net, Designer Aviaries <birdcage at 7cities.net>
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> This seems like a side effect of people complaining about the abundance
> of Trail Magic on all the trails.
> On Dec 16, 2014 6:10 AM, "john paton" <johnpaton245 at fsmail.net> wrote:
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> > Coming over from the UK I think your Trail Angel network is wonderful, not
> > something I have experienced over here when hiking in Europe, and am very
> > sad to hear about your problem. Some of you may have heard about Miss
> > Janet's problem with the law back in '03 in Erwin, TN on the AT. The hiker
> > hostel was full and hikers were looking for another place to stay so she
> > helped out but the Hostel owner heard and called in the sheriff who
> > threatened to take her to court. News travels fast on the trail and a
> > lawyer who was on the trails called her to offer his services, free.
> >
> > On the flip side, a cop gave me a ride into Dubois, WY (its illegal to
> > hitch in WY), and another in Yellowstone let me camp in the picnic zone at
> > Old Faithful village.
> >
> > Luck of the draw. Maybe being from Scotland helped, a lot of people seem
> > to have Scots-Irish ancestory.
> >
> > Scotland
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message Received: Dec 16 2014, 12:49 PM
> > From: "E"
> > To: cdt-l at backcountry.net, birdcage at 7cities.net
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] lost another water cache in Grants
> >
> > Don't roll over so quickly. Contest the citation and make this guy show up
> > in Court. Plead your case there rather than at the cache site.
> > Mini Mart
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From: "*Designer Aviaries" [birdcage at 7cities.net]
> > *Date: *12/15/2014 03:39 PM
> > *To: *cdt-l at backcountry.net
> > *Subject: *[Cdt-l] lost another water cache in Grants
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> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:23:58 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Melanie Simmerman <jennylind50 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] lost another water cache in Grants
> To: Bob Sartini <bobsartini at gmail.com>, "johnpaton245 at fsmail.net"
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> It seems a travesty that that the Mumms have been penalized for being good samaritans to hikers on the CDT. ?I don't remember hearing such troubles on the PCT and the local hiking clubs do multiple caches (large ones, too) in the desert section (from the Mexican border heading north). Don't know who is in charge of those caches - many different groups/individuals do them) but might be worth looking into it. Perhaps Donna Saufley knows?
> That said, if we had a strong CDT organization (my opinion of the new CDTC is still pending), they should be our liaisons to the feds/state/local govt agencies to negotiate stuff like this....if they want people to hike those trails and spend money in their towns/states/ along the way...they should be somewhat flexible or helpful in making it possible to do the trail without great water problems...etc.
> If it's possible to fight this citation is there a lawyer out in CDT land that can help the Mumms? Or shall we all pitch in to pay the fine? ?I realize that their are laws and regulations on public lands, but this seems unreasonable. ?We should not let the Mumms take the hit alone here...
> Melanie
> ?
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> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:51 AM, Bob Sartini <bobsartini at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> This? seems like a side effect of people? complaining? about the abundance? of Trail Magic? on all the trails.?? On Dec 16, 2014 6:10 AM, "john paton" <johnpaton245 at fsmail.net> wrote:
>
> Coming over from the UK I think your Trail Angel network is wonderful, not something I have experienced over here when hiking?in Europe, and am very sad to hear about your problem. Some of you may have heard about Miss Janet's problem with the law back in '03 in Erwin, TN?on the AT. The hiker hostel was full and hikers were looking for another place to stay so she helped out but the Hostel owner heard and called in the sheriff who threatened to take her to court. News travels fast on the trail and a lawyer who was on the trails called her to offer his services, free.On the flip side, a cop gave me a ride into Dubois, WY (its illegal to hitch in WY), and another in Yellowstone let me camp in the picnic zone at Old Faithful village.Luck of the draw. Maybe being from Scotland helped, a lot of people seem to have Scots-Irish ancestory.Scotland
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> Message Received: Dec 16 2014, 12:49 PM
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> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net, birdcage at 7cities.net
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] lost another water cache in Grants
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> Don't roll over so quickly. Contest the citation and make this guy show up in Court. Plead your case there rather than at the cache site.?Mini Mart???-----Original Message-----
> From: "Designer Aviaries" [birdcage at 7cities.net]
> Date: 12/15/2014 03:39 PM
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [Cdt-l] lost another water cache in Grants
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> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:54:30 -0500
> From: Trekker4 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] Carole Mumm's citation
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> I agree with Mini Mart, Carole; fight the ticket; tell the Gestapo you
> want a Jury Trial. You can act as your own attorney and get away with a lot in
> the courtroom; I've done it! You can interrupt, play dumb, ask the judge
> repeatedly "how can I get a fair trial" when he/she tells you to shut up.
> AND --- repeatedly lean on the FS or BLM about why they don't have enough
> developed water sources on a National Scenic Trail; repeatedly let the jury
> know you were just trying to help hikers when the FS/BLM failed them; and
> repeatedly let the jury know that you damaged no one's life, liberty, or
> property, and kept the trash picked up.
> I seem to have deleted your original email. Could you please tell me
> whose unit this occurred in? I want to write them a polite, but firm email.
> I hope other hikers will do the same; if they get enough emails in the next
> 7 days or so, they may just drop it. Speaking for myself only, I'll donate
> money to help cover your fine, if you just pay it, and/or other expenses
> if you fight it.
>
> all IMHO; please keep us informed Carole,
> Bob "Trekker" Brewer
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