[Cdt-l] Cdt-l Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10

Thu Dec 10 15:27:43 CST 2009

We have a Garmin colorado 400 t with the loaded tracks used this past yr by  Mike on the cdt.  Will sell for $300 if any one is interested.

Mary Lacoursiere
On Dec 10, 2009, at 1:00 PM, cdt-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:

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>   1. Re: GPS and Maps (howzit done?) (Jack Haskel)
>   2.  GPS and Maps (howzit done?) (Frank Gilliland)
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> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:01:25 -0700
> From: Jack Haskel <norcalhiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cdt-l] GPS and Maps (howzit done?)
> To: Sly <hikertrash at gmail.com>
> Cc: cdt-l at backcountry.net
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> Thanks for the helpful advice ya'll. To summarize some of what I've learned:
> 
> - The Garmin Colorado/Oregon GPS have added value as they include 100k maps at no extra charge. 
> - Everyone that commented had used 100k maps, no one had used 24k maps. 
> - Don't buy the preloaded microSD cards. Buying the CD and loading your own cards means you have a backup for the maps if you loose/damage the microSD card. 
> - Out of Order's track file of the CDT is great, and can be sent to you by email from people on the list.
> - There are free 24k maps available from http://www.miscjunk.org/ 
> 
> 
> Some further questions....
> 
> - Really? Everyone uses 100k maps? It seems like the 24k maps would be SO much better. 
> - Anyone have comments on the 24k maps from miscjunk.org ?
> - Can anyone tell me more about Out of Orders track log? How come it's not available online?
> 
> I haven't read Yogi's comments on GPS as I'm waiting for her to update the guide. But I'm buying my GPS before I buy the guide. Anything in there that is important to know?
> 
> At the moment, the options are looking like:
> 
> - Colorado 400t is $300 on ebay, and I'll just use the preloaded maps. 
> - The Legend and Vista end up being ~50-80 cheaper after I buy the 100k maps. 
> 
>    - jack
> 
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Sly wrote:
> 
>> While using the Wolf books I found a wrist watch altimeter to come in handy on several occasions and was able to make the right decision or correct a bad turn.  A few times I used a Garmin Legend loaded with the  mapsource topo maps suggested in Yogi's book and the compass rose on Jonathan's maps to place myself on the trail looking at both maps.
>> 
>> I honestly welcomed the "where am I moments" as it gave me time to sit down and reflect about the hike. Getting truly lost wasn't a major concern.  It was all good.
>> 
>> Sly
>> 
>> Marshall Karon wrote:
>>> I also used the Garmin Vista HCx. I would get the Legend without the
>>> altimeter if the price is better. Never used the altimeter or the electronic
>>> compass. I never found the barometric altimeter to be useful because you
>>> need to calibrate it each time you turn on the unit. The satellite altimeter
>>> was good enough. Besides, with maps indicating your location and the contour
>>> on the map giving you the calculated altitude at that spot (presuming the
>>> maps were correct), you don't really need an altimeter.
>>> 
>>> The unit worked very well and the battery life is really good. The screen
>>> was adequate. Remembering which buttons to push was a little bit of a
>>> challenge. I used the carrying case for protection. The unit was normally
>>> off - on only when I needed to check where I was (and sometimes, that seemed
>>> like every 5 minutes).
>>> 
>>> The GPS will NOT keep you from getting "misplaced". The biggest issue was
>>> figuring out which map I was on and where I was on the map. Practice that
>>> before you go. You need to set your GPS up correctly. It would be nice to be
>>> able to put a compass rose on a local map for practicing. Also realize that
>>> not all trails and roads are on the maps (some are new) and some trails and
>>> roads that are on the maps are no longer. But how reassuring it was when the
>>> GPS showed the trail, showed you are on it, and the paper maps were the
>>> same.
>>> 
>>> As for the GPS maps, I would get the disc and download the maps I wanted
>>> onto the micro SD. That way you always have a backup. Of course, you do need
>>> to select the area you want and that was not always easy.
>>> 
>>> I only used the TOPO 2008 maps - some details were not so good and sometimes
>>> the maps had the trails wrong in place. Garmin does say the 24K maps are
>>> more up to date and give much more detail. 
>>> When you buy, look for a deal on a package - unit plus maps together.
>>> 
>>> Marshall Karon
>>> Portland, OR
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:cdt-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Jack Haskel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:05 PM
>>> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: [Cdt-l] GPS and Maps (howzit done?)
>>> 
>>> Hey Ya'll,
>>> 
>>>    I'm buying my GPS for the CDT 2010. I'm leaning towards the Garmin
>>> Vista HCx. But what do I do for maps for the unit? Do people really buy the
>>> TOPO Mountain South, Central and North 24k memory cards? That's $300 extra
>>> dollars! 
>>> Cheers,
>>>    jack
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:00:44 -0700
> From: Frank Gilliland <frankgilliland at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Cdt-l]  GPS and Maps (howzit done?)
> To: cdt-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey Jack.....way to get a Thread going!
> 	(I will add some more comments below)
> 
> ****************************************************
> 
> Thanks for the helpful advice ya'll. To summarize some of what I've learned:
> 
> - The Garmin Colorado/Oregon GPS have added value as they include 100k maps at no extra charge. 
> 	(plus a better screen and user interface)
> 
> - Everyone that commented had used 100k maps, no one had used 24k maps. 
> 	(the 24k are fairly new and the topo 2008 has been the standard)
> 
> - Don't buy the preloaded microSD cards. Buying the CD and loading your own cards means you have a backup for the maps if you loose/damage the microSD card. 
> 	(plus you can use the extra space on the micro SD for POI points (POI points are waypoints converted to POI file, you can save and view thousands of POI points)
> 
> 	(and having the DVD version allows you to view your data on a PC or Mac)
> 
> - Out of Order's track file of the CDT is great, and can be sent to you by email from people on the list.
> 
> (Please send me any other format of any kind of track files or waypoint files.  I am working on a track and way point Library to distribute to any and all.  I have Triple o's data and I will compare to my on files....Will report back soon)
> 
> 
> - There are free 24k maps available from 
> http://www.miscjunk.org/
> 	( interesting site.  I will be playing with their map sets and comment later!)
> 
> 
> Some further questions....
> 
> - Really? Everyone uses 100k maps? It seems like the 24k maps would be SO much better. 
> 	(Still real new)
> 
> - Anyone have comments on the 24k maps from miscjunk.org ?
> 	(will look at real soon)
> 
> - Can anyone tell me more about Out of Orders track log? How come it's not available online?
> 	(I am reviewing it now and will comment on it later)
> 
> I haven't read Yogi's comments on GPS as I'm waiting for her to update the guide. But I'm buying my GPS before I buy the guide. Anything in there that is important to know?
> 	(As of the last update, the listing was for the older TOPO files)
> 
> At the moment, the options are looking like:
> 
> - Colorado 400t is $300 on ebay, and I'll just use the preloaded maps. 
> - The Legend and Vista end up being ~50-80 cheaper after I buy the 100k maps. 
> 
> 	(The main thing is to get a GPS and LEARN how it works and how to work the files.  The main thing to know is how to load and use track files, waypoints, maps, and POI points)
> 
>    - jack
> (StarMan)
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